Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

Here are acid mask templates for etching 25 pcb's for my first working direct current speed control built in the 90's lf someone wants one. I don't take a person serious at all that acts ignorant so it certainly doesn't further your cause with any real engineers . it might be amusing to some shoe salesmen on a forum that flies planes at his leisure .But everyone else with real technical background in electronics would understand the scope and have zero reason to act ignorant . I do not respect that and for every word of fallacy there is even less professional respect. The response to plain diagnostics wave form capture is ignorance.

That does not illustrate to me any genius at all..thats what a dumm person does in reality and I just gravitate away from them like I did. I person can have a high Iq and be insane just like the uni bomber. that does not mean they are redeemable buy a community of people with truly good will. You post because u wanna be stroked by men not to help them and only the dentist is doing that.

I tip my hat You are at home there and the motor furher of the world....🖤
Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,

this was only a easy question to show how your wind performs. And you go crazy. Wy . Show it and all is good. What kind of mosfet has your controler ? Can you show a pic where we can see the type ? For me it isn`t interest to place a name plate on. I know what i have done, warn big mony and it is okay. Wy do the US Army not aske you for a new tank drive ? They come oversee and aske us and spend real big mony for such drive.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi Hubert,

this was only a easy question to show how your wind performs. And you go crazy. Wy . Show it and all is good. What kind of mosfet has your controler ? Can you show a pic where we can see the type ? For me it isn`t interest to place a name plate on. I know what i have done, warn big mony and it is okay. Wy do the US Army not aske you for a new tank drive ? They come oversee and aske us and spend real big mony for such drive.

Happy Amps Christian

The army purchase has nothing to do with the wave form. I'm done talking I can't help you . i dont respect it man I showed you directly off my scope and do not lie like you said I dont sell anything so who is motivated to fabricate you or me ? It is on the open forum that I said squash the nonsense im not into it. and on the open forum you have brung it right back in.

It is your responsibility now to the hobbyist since i am a stupid and a liar to provide them with the data that adding the hall sense to the castle will make them deliver more power. Since only you know because of a tank sale to prove to them at the prop that a hobby FOC inverter will out turn the six step drive. That is all that is relevant. never mind me. I m no one with zero experience and have never built drives.so take the torch there is no need to see the hybrid results so ill keep it to myself. the scope lies baller! there is also no need to share my agnostic drive and where you can get it because you know. i will also keep that for myself and the beta testing of the Valenok 96 volt drive. You forgot i showed YOU APD at Daimler and that's why Steve Neu sells it now but its all good godfather!!!

You go out there and make a statement about the wave forms knowing good and well you haven't wound and tested the 12N10P hybrid and i have then when i show you you are wrong it isnt a sinus u want to argue with fallacy I don't know how to build inverters so **** it man you know! get mad because i can read a damn scope and I wont accept a psuedo sinus as a real sinus because I am not a general knowledge hobbyist but a professional combined with all academic teachings and live examples that tell you it is not.

Then wanna call people POCBOY

you can go straight to hell bruh there is no peace with nasty acting people that will never change. The only reason your words didn't get locked this time on German social media is because I advised you to stick to the facts. Now you come here invited and try it with me. creating disarray here..

**** you.

Thats an ignorant level of communication you can probably better understand since you do not believe in professional courtesy of other that actually work in the field of engineering and manufacture every damn day.

my last address about it or you all there. You can go back home and conduct yorse selves like you do I don't care. iI am not there and do not want to be.

it wont be my legacy left behind to act like a jaded woman. You should show your mother when you get there who named you Christian your thread that will never erase for eternity you wrote about me or ya lill nasty epithetic vocabulary on open forums you love so much . You wouldn't keep a good joh here in the USA with that trait I bet ya!

A true Christain can accept truth with peace. I knew your ego would fail both ways. Maybe the fancy cars and alot of preferential treatment have ruined you as a person and you cannot keep any friends as a result and so you need all that to feel good about yourself.

I wasn't raised that way and got everything i have out the mud.

Good luck
Hubert

[Clugh]

Another thermally coupled 10 turn parallel wye winding of the pyro 600 14 pole machine with ceramic hybrids is complete ill run her for around 5 minutes it and it has gotta get outta here today. i have 4 more pyro 650's to do. A12 turn and two 14 turns and a 16 turn att 12N10P machines. ill wind anything I can get apart it doesn't matter the brand. The materials and work being done here is as good as anywhere else on the earth. This is America and I am the American that is hand winding these motors here on this forum. Their efficiency is as good or better than any commercially off the shelf outrunner of its size I have some that do significantly better that several COTS manufactures offerings as well and have the numbers to prove it. We are fine here in America. Everyone reading here already knows this. A monkey ass hater cannot change the data or the efficiency review of world champion F3A pilots

Thank you for your time and patience,
Hubert

[Chxpress]

Hi Hubert,
That's just how it is so often with you, you show the big innovations, wind the stator, show the pictures that nobody knows if they are from someone else, and you can't show with a little video how it works and what advantages it has measurements shown. You react like a little child. Okon already has the winding at rc-line and he doesn't wind like that. Only you wind the YY like a donkey, you probably don't believe in your winding yourself, maybe you also have mistakes in it. The Lehner emk doesn't show any dents or spikes like the Scorpion emk you showed. Continue with your fake shop and don't send me any emails, they'll all end up in spam.
Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

[Clugh]

The waveform is still not a sinus. and the castle inverter which is six step is still open loop at wot....(the heaviest load)

The pryos are still coming in by the pound. I just received a new pyro competition black edition 650... the top North American F3A Pilots dont acknowledge the forums AT ALL they are too busy out flying models. Something all of us still enjoy but 1.... old bitter one the couch there talking to himself. Everyone has left the rooms and are out flying the work not performed there..

They hang out in private Facebook rooms where fallacy cannot follow. I am invited.... LOL!


800 mah less was lowest consumption P25 flight ever recorded. Andrew Jesky flies me as his number 1 and has requested I wrap a few ego drifts as well. For 3d flight.

I have and exclusive NDA with Brenner contra drives and CK Aero . They all pay. This is in 2025 not 1985 This is hobby stuff not industry where I'm already paid well.

I got better efficiency with an Align and I just brough a cross piece with 3 carats worth of VS diamonds in it last week. Its goes good with the Tahoe that cost me $98,000 and the 700.00 red bottoms sneakers I'll sport with it. Forums are fun but not essential for validation. You can rule them.....

Ill have more fun dragging The 2024 450 and new 23 ft center console around the outer banks of North Carolina. Type away....My geographic location is right in the middle of cutting edge of technology.

U on deck for the upper room old timers.

U put it in Holle's calculator "WOW IT WORKS GREAT" you sure you love it? The dentist is the donkey The YY pyro is what she request not your 41 so apparently she likes its better my way in the P25!.


Thanks,
Hubert

[Clugh]

What else can i do but laugh its is funny. You show a person on an oscilloscope capture of the waveform of the exact motor and wind in question doesn't generate a sinus and a sinus isn't the pinnacle for a speed competition and you get all this. They claim they are professional and intelligent so why? The oscilloscope and a Generated bemf satisfy 99.9999999% of engineers Including Dr Gerling, and the US Army so you have to have see something very odd here with the childish outburst of fallacy. I guess the professional and intelligent thing to do is hang around here to act out because the waveform is not a sinus and the drive is not close loop at wot? So go ahead but how is that is going to look to any "engineer" beside the photo BEMF capture of the oscilloscope? Or the clearly printed specifications of the XLX from castle? You can do it but its a sad look because It still is not reality and they cant fly it. Let the difficulty in acceptance truly show. It might as well be all out bad behavior since. It wont make the waveform change.



Thanks
Hubert

[Clugh]

It still isnt closed loop or sensored at WOT and the waveform is still not a sinus with a single layer winding or a hybrid 12N10P. It is a sawtooth shape which is a asymmetric triangle the diagnostics Trump any social media activities at the keyboards Cap. There are still no hall sensors mounted to any of the motor. It wont change anything anyway as its totally bypassed at full power. The temper tantrums and dirty politics are okay if that suits you. You dont have to listen because in isnt even a sinus inverter and made specifically for drag applications....the entire point if you run it with a motor that emits a sinus is isn't the optimal inverter for that motor anyway. 🤑

Vast experience in the power electronics should know that without the goofy off topic nonsense the optimal esc for a sinus 2 pole machine and a high pole bldc are not one in the same and no special ed socially aloof post will change that. The diametrically magnetized rotor in the 2 pole also acts nothing like that of the multi pole surface mounted machines. These are cold hard facts silly social media activities will not change.

The esc has a higher amp capacity than a YGE 320 but that has zero to do with it being closed loop capable. Its simply a larger inverter. The problem that demagnetizes the HK's pm especially in a LRK are not corrected by using it period!

If I have to post this then I'm still teaching someone that claims to be the expert of all experts. It doesn't make any sense to act that ignorant because you can not put that ignorance on a scale beside the facts or the BEMF waveform capture at the diagnostic level and convince a single electrical engineer or even an smart hobbyist who can go read all these things for themselves as well as dial it up on their own diagnostics.

Itz really dumb and a good way to lose all credibility as anybody to pay attention to on a forum.

Is that what has happened there on the German social media? it appears that way. No one listens anymore because this is what get placed on a scale beside their data. See that the problem? Its you? I simply showed you the truth. But fine create a box for yourself as this seems to be the last outlet for your freedom of expression. Looks like you are wasting it here too because the waveform is what it is and open ignorance wont change that it only makes you look bad because the waveform diagnostics and drive specifications have been laid out already for everyone to see. To fight it is futile. The winds don't generate a sinus and the inverter simply doesn't work that way. You do not need such a hi IQ to act so ignorant to the facts

It is not at all intelligent to do anything else but quietly accept the facts on this particular subject matter. You are wrong. And the fact remains that that little tmotor FOC inverter that's under 200 dollars will no get the 50 series HK further along to nowhere. Trap drives are the most powerful and torque dense so if a person knows they should not tell them its the **** for their application when it is not. The are speeders of high pole counts and need drives designed to deliver that high speed commutation and max torque and power density.

Thank you for your time and patience
Hubert

[Clugh]

1000 hand wind hobbyist will insert a 3d printed slot wedge if it works before a single one masters post magnetization assembly for segmenting rotor PM. I'm not here to rub in their faces things that would be difficult to do for them versus practical things the industry does that work that is eazy for them to implement. people get mad because they didn't come up with these simple suggestions to the modelers to concerned with wow-ing them with how smart they are. And they are so unaware that hey don't hear the entire forum saying they don't care. Give them something that works and is eazy. The hybrid winding and things like slot wedges are exactly that. The forums have recognized this and are interested. they are no longer listening to the long drawn out dictators of hobby lore or their condescending natures as they have nothing to show them that has really done any better. Tell me is it not true that maxon gave back 93.5% for all they hell they have to endure about design superiority?

Hobbyist have sense enough to know why a vendor will have alot of resistance to such ideas that would make a cheap motors comparable in efficiency with a winding and a few tricks passed on from industry.

it will always make sense to them to present highly exclusive processes they run to achieve their result thus justify that cost being forwarded to you. They are in it purely for a profit and have no intention to teach a hobbyist a thing but how much better their motor is but 93.5% isnt that special across the board if you look at it. There are several manufactures that achieve these numbers. That is why presenting the brand and not the pure science doesn't pass the sniff test of helpful posting in a technical section. I see exactly what the speeder are complaining about and it has true validity because of the same unnecessary conduct seen here unprovoked. What's most sad about it is a person doesn't realize it doesn't change anything about how the technic works and it just makes people lose interest in them and what they do. Its really tragic when it happens to a person who seems to need that actual forum validation desperately.


Seien Sie gnädig und sagen Sie ihm bitte, dass es ihm gut geht, damit er in den deutschen sozialen Medien ein wenig Trost finden kann.

Herr, erbarme dich der armen Seele.

Hubert

[Clugh]

Frieden nervt ihn auch, also entschuldige ich mich bei Ralph und wünsche seinen Motorwicklungsprogrammen alles Gute. Ich hoffe, er merkt, dass ich nicht wie er bin und dass er meine Ideen vielleicht ausprobiert, vielleicht aber auch nicht, ohne dass ich ihn dafür bestrafe oder dazwischenrufe. So bringt man die Leute nicht dazu, nachzudenken oder Interesse zu zeigen. Ich bin kein besonders kindischer Mensch und bevorzuge ein gewisses Maß an Ernsthaftigkeit. Kurz gesagt, ich mache mich in Foren nicht zum Narren. Das ist mit 53 Jahren peinlich. Ich schätze, mit über 70 ist es in Deutschland in Ordnung, sich wie ein Idiot zu benehmen.

[Clugh]

Ich werde sicher nicht mit jemandem rumhängen, der behauptet, Ingenieur zu sein, aber die Möglichkeiten leugnet. Nein, das kann ich nicht. Meine Freundschaft ist nicht so tief. Er wird mich hassen müssen und das kann ich akzeptieren. Es ist ihm peinlich, dass er sich in Bezug auf die Wellenform irrt. Wenn Sie ihm den Motor zeigen und er bestätigt, was ich Ihnen allen gesagt habe, wird er sauer sein und jetzt bin ich unerfahrener Abschaum. Letzte Woche hat er Ihnen gerade gesagt, dass ich ein Genie bin. Der alte Mann ist wirklich wütend wegen einiger Ausrutscher. Also ist er jetzt über allem auf seinem Berg. Sie alle dort wissen sehr gut, wie seine Geschichte ausgeht. Wenn Sie etwas Positives über den Lehner erfahren möchten, sollten Sie wirklich Andreas kontaktieren. Skywalkers Fähigkeiten sind nicht auf normale Menschen von der Erde beschränkt. Er ist ein Außerirdischer mit einem Intellekt, den wir nie verstehen werden. Lassen Sie ihn in Ruhe seine Raumschiffe fliegen.

Manche Menschen definieren Freundschaft als Unterstützung bei allem, was sie tun, auch wenn es falsch ist. Nein, das ist kein Freund. Ein Freund wird dir sagen, wenn etwas, was du tust, falsch ist, und ehrlich sein. Ich respektiere kein Verhalten als Reaktion auf eine Bemf-Untersuchung. Das ist extrem ignorant und natürlich ist das nicht die Art, wie ein Freund reagiert. Meine Mutter ist eine Freundin, nicht jemand, mit dem ich nie am Telefon gesprochen habe. Ich muss die Grenzen klarer setzen.

[Clugh]

Er nennt RALPH den AFD-Rassisten, aber der Spitzname POCBOY stammt von ihm.😯 Mal im Ernst, wie dumm ist ein Mensch, der so etwas tut und dann denkt, dass die Person, der er das angetan hat, eigentlich sein Freund ist?

Der Wichser ist verrückt... siehst du mich hier sitzen und sein Wahnspiel spielen, dass wir Freunde sind und dass er denkt, dass diese Dinge eine gute Freundschaft ausmachen?

Total verrückt. Und völlig am Thema vorbei zur BEMF-Erfassung


God Bless.
Hubert

[Clugh]

Gott segne dich, Bruder. Mir geht es gut.

I'm riding the Donkey hard all night long.....

"I love the black pyros...."😎

From America with love.....🖤
Hubert

[Clugh]

Bei einem Test muss man eigentlich eine Referenzmaschine haben, also die YY. Eine Person, die eine authentische BEMF-Aufnahme der betreffenden Maschine direkt vom Oszilloskop oder Wechselrichterspezifikationen vom Hersteller nicht akzeptieren kann, kann sie sicherlich nicht verstehen. Deshalb hat der Esel jeden Abend Kopfschmerzen und geht sofort ins Bett, und ihm bleibt nur noch die Tastatur, mit der er im Schlaf spielen kann.

Ich weiß, dass der Esel schon lange kein zusätzliches Gewicht mehr trägt, und er ist so dankbar für die Foren ...


Danke,
Hubert

[Clugh]

What a lonely person at the pc. I already did these test several years ago and know the result. I dont need to prove anything to myself.. It isnt what he just said and that is exactly the point. I wanted to show the fuhrer again that he doesn't know what he is talking about because he has never wound or tested it. Everyone is dumb accordingly to him but he can't read an oscilloscope apparently. Not even his own. He also cannot read the specification on his new castle inverter I recommended to him very well.
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Thats unfortunate he carrys on in such a way about it. And it is even worse that he doesn't understand the pyros I wind for F3A competition already proven have absolutely nothing to do with that and calls someone a donkey for winding what the customer request. Poor soul ....Its just more fallacy that wont change the facts here. You'll probably have to endure alot more before that relevant tid bit of information sinks in.

Some of us are a little slow and somehow think bad character on open forums changes something about how the wind and the new castle inverters work. Its is insane because im the one that recommended it to him and thats why he purchased it but he never completed what i directed him to try. All the way around the board he is wrong but it doesn't matter. It cant go well acting out because I'm only stating the facts and no clowning around will trump the diagnostic capture . The only thing that will be displayed is the mental Illness that prevents the peaceful acceptance of these things that are indeed fact.


Thanks for your time and patience,
Hubert

[Clugh]

"When paired with a Castle 4-POLE 12-SLOT SENSORED MOTOR such as the 2028-800KV or 1515-2200KV, users with heavy, high speed rigs will experience controllable low-end ranges without sacrificing power, punch or speed. SmartSense™ mode uses the motor’s sensors to start the motor to provide smooth starts, excellent torque, and low-speed drivability. Once the motor is spinning, it seamlessly transitions to Castle’s ultra-efficient sensorless mode. You’ll put more power to the ground, where it should be, instead of wasting it through raw heat and RPMs."

~Castle~

but I'm the jack ass??? but I have the right BLDC castle drag motors designed for it and know it doesn't work like he thinks it would and simply told him. Trying to be his friend because nonsense like this runs everyone else away. The motors also use a 4 pole trigger not a 10 pole so burying halls in the slots of a 10 pole outrunner may not work that is why I told him to test it before he started shooting off at the mouth back at me!!!

But never mind the motor furher has it all covered and well thought out. I'm just the inexperienced donkey in my own room that doesn't know anything accept that it is also not a sinus drive that was designed for drag but a trap and a damn nice one too. n this case It worked better than a victor with peanut butter in it.

Never trust a rat.

A Trapezoidal 6 step OPEN LOOP sensorless drive pushes the sensorless 2 pole LEHNER 2260 and JAGS so its proven for you in competition on your own equipment already cap.


Guess it had a sinus infection and got rid of the sinus inverter and sensors for the current world record?

Got ya! So what did the fallacy bring? See?? I guess the US Army should invest more in its own POCBOY degreed electrical engineers Christian ???



Thanks for your subscription lukeazz
Hubert

[Clugh]

Its funny as an American because nothing has been posted on the German social media about electric motors for over 10 days. Where do you think they have been this last week?

This is way more interesting for them than anything they've been winding.

Id have to agree. Watching a belligerent poster they cannot stand dig his way out of this nasty hole he created with fallacy should be very entertaining if nothing else....

Let's see what he says about these facts pertaining to a sinus power system versus BLDC power system for high power high speed applications. Since the Lehner powered boat he always brags about that does not belong to him and he is not associated with is powered by the latter an open loop trap drive from castle creations who builds BLDC power systems exclusively..

He knows from his military tank sales and the date of my first built inverter which I showed him at his request what works. You try to tell him But nah! he isn't listening and calls you a donkey....so lets see where it goes now because his own oscilloscope doesn't convince him.

So maybe it is a fair question for Ralph to ask for the Electrical Engineering paperwork ill have to see what the technical answers are we may not get any technical answers because there are not alot that will explain why the power system is a BLDC one if the sinus is the bread and butter ......he has to either roll it back or further implode. Its on him and his level of intellect.

[Chxpress]

Hi,
Who said I would use Castle Esc for saw? I have one but I also have the Genius Steller from Ralf Helbing, which allows much more than the Castle steller. Sensor operation complete. Variable timing according to requirements with previously selectable timing angles at previously adjustable speeds. Inductivity consideration. etc. that would go beyond the scope of knowledge here. Your wound motors have the same problem as all the others. You don't have enough iron in the stator tooth. You have to compensate for this with a larger, heavier engine. None of you are doing the test of driving the motor externally, putting all the connections together in a short circuit and then measuring the speed and the short circuit current flowing. Plot the data in the diagram and understand the curve that is created. That's your mistake, you're poking around in ignorance somewhere.
and to your stupid statements: I am a Christian, trained by the Jesuits in Munich.
I promised Jim that I would support you and help you. If you keep getting it wrong when you write whether you have actually tested it or whether the EMF is cleaner than other motors, we know that the motors are operated much better with professional controllers than with the model builders.
I have a very good circle of friends with whom I meet regularly, we also organize the SAW on the regatta course every year, etc. much more. The fact that I write in a few forums is just my hobby to support and explain.
The only lonlyone here is YOU , look how much you write how much time do you spend writing , nobody read it.

Happy Amps Christian

[Clugh]

Hi,
Who said I would use Castle Esc for saw? I have one but I also have the Genius Steller from Ralf Helbing, which allows much more than the Castle steller. Sensor operation complete. Variable timing according to requirements with previously selectable timing angles at previously adjustable speeds. Inductivity consideration. etc. that would go beyond the scope of knowledge here. Your wound motors have the same problem as all the others. You don't have enough iron in the stator tooth. You have to compensate for this with a larger, heavier engine. None of you are doing the test of driving the motor externally, putting all the connections together in a short circuit and then measuring the speed and the short circuit current flowing. Plot the data in the diagram and understand the curve that is created. That's your mistake, you're poking around in ignorance somewhere.
and to your stupid statements: I am a Christian, trained by the Jesuits in Munich.
I promised Jim that I would support you and help you. If you keep getting it wrong when you write whether you have actually tested it or whether the EMF is cleaner than other motors, we know that the motors are operated much better with professional controllers than with the model builders.
I have a very good circle of friends with whom I meet regularly, we also organize the SAW on the regatta course every year, etc. much more. The fact that I write in a few forums is just my hobby to support and explain.
The only lonlyone here is YOU , look how much you write how much time do you spend writing , nobody read it.

Happy Amps Christian

He implodes.....
You read it! Everyday!

Your scope of knowledge doesn't seem to know what a real sinus is composed of apparently of tthat the world record is set with an open loop 6 step drive and Andreas motor. If you not talking about Saw why are u there alienating all the German pilots who fly for speed. You don't make any sense in that case and that is why they do not listen to you and you dont have a single thread with this view count. Not one..

No one here in this thread is interested in agricultural drone power..and drives that are suited for it.

The speeder have no use for it and neither do I so it post here to show what?


And no the sensored drive isnt producing anything because the FOC drive you showed does not use hall and neither do any of the motors you posed. and neither one produces a sinus.

what scope of knowledge is needed you own scope you bodily posted shows the answer.

WHY DID YOU BUY THE CASTLE AND POST YOU P:LAN TO RUN IT WITH THE 41SERIES....I HAVE THE EMAILS so you are going to lie and you know i m telling the truth and have the emails. How crazy is that. but go ahead explain to the first that I am lying . Its all over the threads there on the german socail media . Thats what makes this all so damn entertaining everything you write is already posted u can never back out of it because the exact contradictions in your own words can always be uploaded.

Ill post the provable truth directly behind it. Go ahead. Ill wait. because no one does it right but you at 93.5% but Raph did the same numbers with his hand wound Hk. and the ALIGN that doesn't have enough iron was 3 points higher that both of them in efficiency. You know it because you can see its better in Holles calculator. They can put Ralph motor in it also and see you are not better and he actually was more power dense. I have those calculation. Would you like to see.