1400mm T28

[CaptRon]

Re: 1400mm T28

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 07:45:28 -0500
Subject: Re: 1400mm T28
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Hi Chris,
I have the 1400mm P51 not the 1700mm. During take off with no flaps, just
some elevator and a touch of rudder works great. When I take off with
flaps down the tail wheel lifts off first. I don't like that because a
small gust of wind could drive the prop to the ground. That's why I don't
usually take off with flaps.
Taking off with no flaps works great for me. The tail wheel stays down and
I don't need the extra lift. She takes off in a short distance.
Happy Landings
Let us know
Ron

On Thu, October 16, 2014 6:08 am, Chris_UAE [via Motion RC Forum] wrote:
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>
> Thanks for sharing that info..it is a very helpful to me. Hopefully I
> will be receiving my P51 1700mm this evening (the yellow Ferocious
> Frankie), as
> excited as I am ...I am also very intimidated by this plane. I have flown
> EXTRA 300's, PT17 Strearman, low wing balsa wood semi aerobatic planes
> but the P51 to me seems like a whole different ball game. Questions: On
> take off, does the P51 require an initial elevator down, just to get the
> tail up or will a bit of the lowered flaps do the trick? I have hear that
> this plane can nose over without the initial elevator down on take off. I
> would have a few sleepless nights if I crashed on my maiden takeoff..
>
> Please advice the right process / approach in doing initial flights with
> this baby. Although I will look at flying her only after I have completed
> a lot of successful flights on the T28 1400mm
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[Chris_UAE]

Re: 1400mm T28

Hi Ron,

Thanks for that reply...it was a nice relief to know I could take her up just the way I do with all my other birds...I hope to do some flying with flaps after I get pass my maiden flight and a bit more on the T28<smiley image="smiley_cool.gif"/> The P51 will be a showpiece till I feel I qualify to fly here..a few months I guess<smiley image="smiley_good.gif"/>.. but I still want to get the hang of flying with flaps.. its like a whole meal but no fries<smiley image="anim_rules.gif"/> ...Thanks Ron and Happy flying with Great Landings..

[Chris_UAE]

Re: 1400mm T28

Hi Ron and Tootall

Hope all is well with you guys, was just excited to share these pics with you. I hopefully will maiden fly my T281400mm this coming weekend. Last weekend I was busy fly my FMS Sky Trainer 1400, EXTRA 300 and the Advance 25e from Eflite.
I hope to modify the wiring of the T28, just too many wires, will try to install the multi connectors if I find a set.
I just receive my FMS P51 last weekend.. its just such a beautiful looking plane... but she will not be seeing the flying field till I've clocked a good amounts of flights on the T28. Any advice from your side on anything is always appreciate..

Cheers and safe and happy flying

[CaptRon]

Re: 1400mm T28

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:55:19 -0500
Subject: Re: 1400mm T28
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Hi Chris,
Oh man I WISH you didn't send that P-51 picture!!!
Now I have to get one too LOL
That is one sweet looking plane!
I'm surprised to see that goofy pilot in the T-28. The one I have has 2
guys in it and they look different than yours.
You may want to change the nose wheel on the T-28. Get as big as you can
because of the prop clearance. They don't give you much room to the
ground.
I fly from a grass field and changed the front wheel and gear all together.
Just stay with it, watch her close and I'm sure you will do well with her.
So far the FMS T-28 is my favorite. I have 2 of them and fly them every
time I go. After several flights you will find they are good in the wind.
It took a long time for me to relax while in flight. Now I have a ball
with them. They fly inverted as well as regular. It's just an awesome
plane.
Put her through the paces after a while and you won't believe what she can
do.
I have the high rates on 150% and zero expo. Spins, loops, rolls, and
inverted are now easy. She will also hold a knife edge.
Your going to love that one!
Did you get the url for the multi connector? They don't help as much as I
thought they would but they did a little.
Happy Landings
Ron


On Mon, October 20, 2014 2:32 am, Chris_UAE [via Motion RC Forum] wrote:
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> Hi Ron and Tootall
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> Hope all is well with you guys, was just excited to share these pics with
> you. I hopefully will maiden fly my T281400mm this coming weekend. Last
> weekend I was busy fly my FMS Sky Trainer 1400, EXTRA 300 and the Advance
> 25e from Eflite.
> I hope to modify the wiring of the T28, just too many wires, will try to
> install the multi connectors if I find a set. I just receive my FMS P51
> last weekend.. its just such a beautiful looking plane... but she will not
> be seeing the flying field till I've clocked a good amounts of flights on
> the T28. Any advice from your side on anything is always appreciate..
>
> Cheers and safe and happy flying
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[Tootall505]

Re: 1400mm T28

Hey Chris. Nice P-51. I flew my 2 P-51's yesterday and had a blast. I advise you to leave it in the hanger until you get a few miles on the T-28. They are very different bird's. I have a few questions about the T28 picture. How old is it? Are you sure it's an FMS? I've never seen that pilot before. Both of mine have 2 pilot's. I know the Airfield T-28 only has one pilot and the wing flaps look small to me. Also in the picture it doesn't look like the rudder is inserted and bolted correctly. Check it before you fly it. Anyway.. At the beginning of the summer I had 1 T-28 and 1 P-51. I took them both to the flying site every weekend. I would fly the T28 first and then the P-51 alternating one then the other. After a few months of this I found my landings getting worse than when I started. I kept trying to land the P51 the same as I land the T-28 and vise versa. Although the 2 planes fly great they are VERY different. You cant land a tail dragger like a plane with tri-cycle gear, and it's nearly impossible to make 3 point landing with a P51 without bouncing it down the runway. T-28's and P-51's take off and land very differently. After crashing both T28's learning 4 point rolls I decided to focus on one plane, the P-51. In my opinion it takes much more skill to Takeoff and land a P-51 correctly than the T-28. Although its awesome to flare the T-28 and set down on the mains first, then settle on the nose gear as it should be. Watch some videos of the full size planes on Youtube and you will see what I mean. Very exciting.

I think it will serve you well to start with the T-28 and get you skill level up, then try the p-51. NOTHING fly's like a Mustang!!!! My next plane will be the new 1400mm P-38 Lightning when it comes out. Yes it has trike gear but they have such a rich history and look very cool in the air and in the hanger.

Tootall505

[Chris_UAE]

Re: 1400mm T28

Hi Tootall,

Thanks for your message. Well actually from what I found out regarding the FMS T28, 144mm, is that they had two versions. <smiley image="anim_working.gif"/>
The one I have is the version 1, (the goofy pilot)<smiley image="anim_blbl.gif"/> and if I am not mistaken V1 has the sequential retracts which I believe was later changed to normal retracts in V2 and also by do so, the number of servos in v1 is 12 (need to recount) but the v2 is 9.

This plane was actually gifted to me by brother and was ordered from the UK. I am guessing that the shipments to Europe and the US differ. <smiley image="anim_confused.gif"/> About the tail end of my plane in the picture posted...dont panic! I <smiley image="smiley_oh.gif"/>had clicked those just before I assembled the plane. Then were not pushed into position and glued on, which is now not the case. <smiley image="smiley_happy.gif"/>

Totally agree with you about the T28 and the P51 being very different birds, that command very different respect.
I know the T28 is a lot easier to take off and with about 30% power with she should line in for a nice 3 point landing with a bit of flaring,unlike the P51 which which would need to come in hot for a two point landing and on touch down you might need to hold her down with a bit of up stick on the elevator. Its the same story with me when I fly my trainers (Wing Tiger - Art Tech and the Sky Trainer - FMS) which settle in for a nice three point landing with very little power , but my mid and low wing planes (FMS EXTRA 300 and Eflite Advance 25e) and also my biplane (PT-17 Stearman) all come in a bit hot and I really need to concentrate and focus on my whole landing from the approach right till the plane comes to a stand still.

I also greatly appreciate your advice to first clock in a bit of flights on the T28 before I get the p51 out to the field.<smiley image="smiley_good.gif"/>

One question however, regarding the low rates and the flap settings, I did follow the earlier post that you had referred to me, but for my maiden flight and the first few initial flight s on the T28, would you recommend landing with flaps?

Well I just cant wait for the weekend to go out and hope to do a good maiden flight. Thanks to you and CaptRon for all the encouragment and advice. I honestly do appreciate it. By the way , I plan to get rid of the goofy pilot...Also does your T28 have the FMS main wing multi-Connectors, mine does not..its a bowl spaghetti...I plan to install the FMS multi-connectors.
Attached a pic of my saturday mornings getting set to fly..

[Chris_UAE]

Re: 1400mm T28

Hi Ron,

Thanks for your message..sorry but I just had to show off the P51...(so much for modesty) I prefer to click and post pics of my planes before the maiden flight ..cause at times they tend to look a little different after the maiden...LOL<smiley image="anim_crazy.gif"/>

About the front landing gear on the T28 I do agree with you totally and I have my concerns as well, but for now I will go with it for two simple reasons, one is that , the flying field has a quite a smooth paved road that we take off and land on and two..I fly a few low wing models that have slight less clearance, (about a finger gap of clearance) and if I am lucky to flare her right, it should be ok<smiley image="anim_drunk.gif"/>...if not I will be petty soon asking you about the modifications you have done on your bird.<smiley image="anim_working.gif"/>

What batteries are you flying with? and are you using stock electronics? I plan to use 3300mAh 4s 35c. The recommended CG seems to go ok with this pack .

I was amazed to know you fly her with full throws and zero expo...that speaks a lot about your flying skills...if you have any videos I would like to see them. As for me, I still have the "shaking like a leaf" tendencies at times, as I only started flying about 6 to 7 months ago.

About the multi connectors, I did order the FMS one (both parts) and I hope I will be able to figure it out, because the T28 V1 which I have, has a load of wires and its an absolutely bowl of spaghetti.
Well I will let you know how the maiden flight goes.. and if I dont talk about it ...you know how it went...
I just replied to Tootall as well please do read it and please do add your feedback as well..it will be much appreciated. <smiley image="smiley_beam.gif"/>

Till the ..Happy Flying..and safe landing...<smiley image="smiley_good.gif"/>

[CaptRon]

Re: 1400mm T28

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:19:44 -0500
Subject: Re: 1400mm T28
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Paved runway!!
Oh man I dream about that. Your lucky, the field I fly at is quite rough
and is surrounded by trees and water. I know just about every tree in the
area LOL and had to replace a few ESCs that got wet.
I fly the T-28 with a 3600 4s and a 3000 4s they both are fine. The 3000
is lighter and she seems to like that better. I have had no problem with
the cog. The 3600 is a bit heavy so landing is more of a challenge.
Tootall is right about landing. The T-28 looks SO COOL when she comes in
and touches on the mains first. But the larger front wheel I have kinda
makes you do more of a 3 point landing.
I would stay stock with everything since you are already used to the low
prop clearance.
The only thing I added that I feel is needed is a BEC. That plane has 12
servos and I lost signal a couple of times before I added the BEC.
That's why I now have 2 of them.
I use the beat up one to learn on and the good one once I have the
confidence. The beat up one is more fun to fly because I don't care if
she takes another hit LOL. That poor thing has had a broken wing, tail and
fuselage just to name a few.
I actually called FMS asking about adding an external BED they said it's
not needed.
There is another guy at my field with a FMS T-28 as well. He did not add
the BEC and has about 30 flights with no problem.
I have over 100 with mine and Im not taking the chance. It could have been
my radio I'm not sure.
I did get a DX9 but the BECs are already in the 2 T-28s so why take them out?
I'm sure your going to do well with the T-28 and after you can relax while
she is up, your going to have a blast with it.
With all that being said, it's time to go back onto Motion RC and look at
that P51 again eeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr My wife is gonna kill me so I'm
going to have to tell her it's all your fault LOL
I wish you smooth landings my friend!
Ron




On Mon, October 20, 2014 11:58 pm, Chris_UAE [via Motion RC Forum] wrote:
>

>
> Hi Ron,
>
>
> Thanks for your message..sorry but I just had to show off the P51...(so
> much for modesty) I prefer to click and post pics of my planes before the
> maiden flight ..cause at times they tend to look a little different after
> the maiden...LOL
>
> About the front landing gear on the T28 I do agree with you totally and I
> have my concerns as well, but for now I will go with it for two simple
> reasons, one is that , the flying field has a quite a smooth paved road
> that we take off and land on and two..I fly a few low wing models that
> have slight less clearance, (about a finger gap of clearance) and if I am
> lucky to flare her right, it should be ok...if not I will be petty soon
> asking you about the modifications you have done on your bird.
>
> What batteries are you flying with? and are you using stock electronics?
> I
> plan to use 3300mAh 4s 35c. The recommended CG seems to go ok with this
> pack .
>
>
> I was amazed to know you fly her with full throws and zero expo...that
> speaks a lot about your flying skills...if you have any videos I would
> like to see them. As for me, I still have the "shaking like a leaf"
> tendencies at times, as I only started flying about 6 to 7 months ago.
>
> About the multi connectors, I did order the FMS one (both parts) and I
> hope I will be able to figure it out, because the T28 V1 which I have, has
> a load of wires and its an absolutely bowl of spaghetti. Well I will let
> you know how the maiden flight goes.. and if I dont talk about it ...you
> know how it went... I just replied to Tootall as well please do read it
> and please do add your feedback as well..it will be much appreciated.
>
> Till the ..Happy Flying..and safe landing...
>
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[Chris_UAE]

Re: 1400mm T28

Hi Guys..
I did my maiden flight and many more on my T28, 1400mm. The maiden flight was great, and required very little trims. After readjusting the control surfaces she flew with out any trips, very smooth, clean and with a lot of control. I found it a very easy plane to fly and did all my landings very soft and smooth with not flaps. Once I have done a few more flights, I will then look at using the flaps for takeoff and landing.

Thanks to Capt Ron and Tootall for all your tips and advice to my my maiden flight a very fun and safe one. I really do appreciate you guys help.
Hope you guys are hav a great time flying too...Cheers and safe landings..

[CaptRon]

Re: 1400mm T28

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That's awesome!!! Congrats Chris!!
Your going to love that plane.
I was thinking about you over the weekend. I am so glad all went well
Happy Landings!!
Ron

On Sun, October 26, 2014 11:10 pm, Chris_UAE [via Motion RC Forum] wrote:
>

>
> Hi Guys..
> I did my maiden flight and many more on my T28, 1400mm. The maiden flight
> was great, and required very little trims. After readjusting the control
> surfaces she flew with out any trips, very smooth, clean and with a lot
> of control. I found it a very easy plane to fly and did all my landings
> very soft and smooth with not flaps. Once I have done a few more flights,
> I will
> then look at using the flaps for takeoff and landing.
>
> Thanks to Capt Ron and Tootall for all your tips and advice to my my
> maiden flight a very fun and safe one. I really do appreciate you guys
> help. Hope you guys are hav a great time flying too...Cheers and safe
> landings..
>
>
>
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[Chris_UAE]

RE: 1400mm T28

How you doing? Its been a while. I guess there is something changed with
the online forum. Well the T28 is going great only minor front retract
problems. Hows flying been with you? Hope you are having a great time. I
hope to maiden fly me FMS P51, Mustang 1700mm this weekend. I am only a
little concerned with the vibration from the motor and prop on low RPM.
Will look to see how I can sought it out. Any tips?
Well you take care and Happy Flying..
Thanks once again for all the advice.

Regards Chris 

[Tootall505]

RE: 1400mm T28

Hey Chris, What's up? Flying has been going great. I flew 4 days last week over the Thanksgiving weekend. Had a lot of fun. My 2 mustangs are great as usual. I rebuilt my T28 and attempted a maiden flight on Saturday. The wind was blowing 15 mph +. Taxied down the run way and turned to face the wind. Came on the throttle, wind picked up the plane before I had enough air speed and slammed it to the ground. Broke the prop and loosened the motor mount. I got it all fixed and plan to try it again this weekend. Never ever had the wind do that before to any plane, guess it was a freak thing.  

On your prop vibration on your mustang, I would take the prop apart and weigh the individual blades on a digital scale and make sure they are close to the same weight. For example... 18.4g-18.3g ect. or what ever. If they are more than a few 10th's off the prop will vibrate badly. Invest in a prop balancer, assemble the prop and balance the whole assembly. You can sand the back side of the heavy blade/blades with sand paper or spray the light blade/blades with clear lacquer spray to add weight. It takes time but will help greatly.

Good luck and happy flying.