Official Freewing 110mm F-35C Lightning II Super Scale EDF Jet Thread

[EDF-Jetpilot]

The F35 is back in stock at motionrc.com if anyone didn't get one from the initial shipment. For those waiting in Europe, the F35 is inbound and should arrive before the end of October.

Thank you for this information, i'm happy!

[Marco Polo]

The F35 is back in stock at motionrc.com if anyone didn't get one from the initial shipment. For those waiting in Europe, the F35 is inbound and should arrive before the end of October.

[Bushong]

Can those gains allow a full throttle pass without oscillation?

They do for me.....I've flown plenty of full throttle passes without a problem.

[xviper]

Stock Gyro Info

I am flying with the stock gyro. I felt the gains were too low and it wasn't really doing much. All of the stock gains were set at 50 (ail, ele, and rud). I increased them all to 70. I like it much better now. Just a FYI

Can those gains allow a full throttle pass without oscillation?

[Bushong]

Stock Gyro Info

I am flying with the stock gyro. I felt the gains were too low and it wasn't really doing much. All of the stock gains were set at 50 (ail, ele, and rud). I increased them all to 70. I like it much better now. Just a FYI

[xviper]

I just checked , the Lemon 10ch has a telemetry probe maximum of 45 volts.

Interesting. I've never checked. I do know that if I plug the probe into the battery that will show 12S, nothing happens. It doesn't register a voltage at all. When I plug it into the other battery, then it registers a 6s pack. Luckily, it's never done anything alarming.

[400driver]

I just checked , the Lemon 10ch has a telemetry probe maximum of 45 volts.

[400driver]

Yes. Same idea , a cable tapped into the ESC harness that provides the total pack voltage to the Receiver for telemetry.
The sound and smell came from the receiver as the voltage input is limited to a lower amount than I had , think it’s 35 Volts max on that particular receiver.

[xviper]

Check your telemtry max voltage. I used a RadimasterER8 and connected it for set up. I heard a fizzle and sniffed some magic powder and then disconected everything. Upun checking , the voltage max was 10 Volts below the 45 Volts that was available at the time.
The receiver seems ok but i cant risk it and have ordered the new ER12 which is rated to 70Volts. I am so used to 6S that it did not enter into my head. Hopefully someone else may learn from my mistake.
cheers
Mark

That sounds very alarming but I don't use Radiomaster so I don't understand exactly what happened. What "fizzled" and where did the smoke come from? What is the significance of the voltage max being 10V below the 45V available? What did you connect to the RX?

OK, I think I'm a little more on track now. You are talking about the telemetry that tells what the flight packs are putting out, right? With my Lemon RX, there is a voltage probe that plugs into the red lead of the balance plug on one of the flight batteries. Depending on which battery I choose, I can get a readout of either a 6S pack or 12S for both packs. Fully charged, this can give me either 25.2V or 50.4V

[400driver]

Check your telemtry max voltage. I used a RadimasterER8 and connected it for set up. I heard a fizzle and sniffed some magic powder and then disconected everything. Upun checking , the voltage max was 10 Volts below the 45 Volts that was available at the time.
The receiver seems ok but i cant risk it and have ordered the new ER12 which is rated to 70Volts. I am so used to 6S that it did not enter into my head. Hopefully someone else may learn from my mistake.
cheers
Mark

[xviper]

I took out the FW gyro as the gain , as far as I coud see could not be assigned to a slider. I am very fond of the HobbyEagle A3 Super 4 which has Sbus capability and remote gain plus a good programmer and remote box. Hard to beat for the price.

I'm hoping my F-35 will arrive 2nd half of Oct. Since I'm going to be using a Lemon 10-ch stabilized RX, I'm going to do a hybrid set up. I'll leave the stock gyro in place but only use it for the rudder and steering gyro. I'll plug the AIL and ELE into the Lemon and use the rotary knob for gyro master gain. The Lemon also has telemetry for flight pack voltage and altimeter. It doesn't have "self level", but I haven't needed that feature for some time now.

[Giovanbattista]

TwoBrosRC has a setup guide for the F35 but that is now available to his channel supporters. Before he used to place his As3X+ settings on the screen. If you join his DISCORD server you will be able to get his settings for how he prefers his to fly.
This may or may not be how you like things! I took out the FW gyro as the gain , as far as I coud see could not be assigned to a slider. I am very fond of the HobbyEagle A3 Super 4 which has Sbus capability and remote gain plus a good programmer and remote box. Hard to beat for the price.

Yeah, I know Discord, but the settings aren't for average pilots—they're super, super, super advanced—and sometimes you have to change servos and ESCs, and on top of the costs, you really have to be a skilled pilot to fly them. Plus, he's always pushing his models to the absolute limit in terms of performance. He's a great pilot, though—actually, he's amazing.

[400driver]

TwoBrosRC has a setup guide for the F35 but that is now available to his channel supporters. Before he used to place his As3X+ settings on the screen. If you join his DISCORD server you will be able to get his settings for how he prefers his to fly.
This may or may not be how you like things! I took out the FW gyro as the gain , as far as I coud see could not be assigned to a slider. I am very fond of the HobbyEagle A3 Super 4 which has Sbus capability and remote gain plus a good programmer and remote box. Hard to beat for the price.

[xviper]

I remove the stock gyro and use only the gyro included in the Spektrum receivers. I do not like the not being able to make gain adjustments on the fly. I normally fly with my gyro off unless I decide to fly on windy days.

Thanks. That was the KEY point I was looking to discover. You removed the stock gyro.

[Giovanbattista]

Yeah, that's what I do, too. I've heard some not-so-great things about the stock one, and besides, you can program everything from the radio.

[RCAVI8T0R]

Talking strictly about the PNP version, can you even put the gains on a slider or rotary? I recall with the B2 bomber, that could be done. I crank UP the gains for take off and landing and dial it down a bit in flight.

I remove the stock gyro and use only the gyro included in the Spektrum receivers. I do not like the not being able to make gain adjustments on the fly. I normally fly with my gyro off unless I decide to fly on windy days.

[Giovanbattista]

There was a mistake in the translation. It’s not the center of gravity shifted back 2 cm that bothers me, but the messy wiring in a €1,000 model. I also use high gain settings during takeoff and landing and low gain settings during flight. So I linked the gain controls to the throttle so they adjust automatically, and the flight is fantastic.

[Giovanbattista]

Good morning, everyone. It’s morning here in Italy now; I’ve read your comments and thank you. Of course, I won’t be asking for tire sizes, but rather relevant questions. Since the F35 hasn’t arrived in Europe yet—though fortunately I managed to get one from the only shipment that’s arrived so far, and I’ll be receiving it at home in a few days—you in America have already had a chance to test it for a month and thus identify its strengths and weaknesses. So what I’m reading and seeing is very helpful—mistakes made by the manufacturer and corrected, as we always do here, since we’re the ones who ultimately use the models. And so I’m taking inspiration from this to try to make the model as accurate as possible. Yes, I know how to use advanced programming; I just wanted to know the values so that, with such a large model, I wouldn’t make any mistakes. I’ll start with average values, which, as you rightly pointed out, will then be adjusted during flight and throughout the various tests. Undoubtedly, starting with values that have already been tested would be ideal, but I’ll figure them out anyway. I’ve also read that it’s best to move the center of gravity back by 2 cm. That’s something I don’t like, at least from what I’ve seen in videos, because I don’t physically have the model in front of me yet, nor the wiring. Wires everywhere. I’ll try to organize the model as much as possible so that it looks neat to the eye as well. Thank you, and have a great day.

[xviper]

Start off with the default gains and put the gains on a slider at the transmitter when you set up the plane. That way you can adjust gains during flight. If you get oscillation while flying, turn down the gains. If you're using a Spektrum transmitter, you can see what the gains are on the display after you land. Remember those or write them down, then go into forward programing and adjust accordingly.

If you max out your gain slider while flying and no oscillation, then you can add to your gain in forward programing. Adjust one axis at a time.

Most of the time, I wind up going down 5 to 10 on roll, no change for the elevator, and up 5 to 10 on yaw.

Talking strictly about the PNP version, can you even put the gains on a slider or rotary? I recall with the B2 bomber, that could be done. I crank UP the gains for take off and landing and dial it down a bit in flight.

[xviper]

Yes, Viper, here’s one question; the other one is further up. I’m asking if anyone has used programming with Spektrum, and I’ve listed the parameters I plan to use—I’d like to know if they’ll work. Anyway, it’s possible that no one has FileVpilota or has used AS3X parameters, but a “no” would be fine—I’m sorry. Thanks

I use Spektrum receivers in several of my 60 aircraft. I have programmed via "forward programming" and the numbers are all different for each different plane. I don't buy them anymore due to the high cost. I do buy Eflite models that come BNF but those RXs don't need programming. They come pre-programmed to work the plane just fine.
I buy strictly Lemon 10-channel, stabilized RXs with telemetry now. Even here, the numbers change with each different plane. I usually use the rotary knob for "master gain" and adjust it "on the fly" to suit the flying conditions. Unless you have nullified the gains in the F-35's stock gyro, you should not be using another gyro. 2 gyros in series is a crash waiting to happen.
When my F-35 comes, I will start with whatever is pre-programmed into the stock gyro and of course, these gains can be adjusted using the Blue Bridge device. Using the Lemon, gyro stabilization will NOT be activated.
Set gain values are not applicable for every person or for every plane.