issues trying to upload a AS3X/safe select profile to AR637T

[xviper]

The manual says nothing about GPS for this Habu. It's probably that the 3230 is used or plan to be used in another product that they plan to have geofencing, etc. It appears that LAS is the only electronic "add-on" for the Habu.

[Tsla]

The gps port is in the 3230

[xviper]

Yes it is in my habu,i just wonder what the gps port is used for

Spektrum RXs that has the optional GPS module generally means that you can then have things like geofencing or auto-land. In the case of this Habu, the only thing you can add is the landing assist module, which plugs into the LAS port (ch.7 on the flight controller). It may also mean nothing and this Habu doesn’t use a GPS module. Where do you see this GPS port?

BTW. The 3230B is the flight controller, not a receiver. The receiver is another unit. In this case, it’s a serial RX, likely 4650C if you have the RTF.

[Tsla]

Yes it is in my habu,i just wonder what the gps port is used for

[xviper]

Thanks for the comments i will use my 637 in another plane.
what about the A3230B reciever, is there a manual for it

A Google search revealed this ............................... http://spektrumrc.com/Products/Defau...odID=SPMA3230B
Is this what you're talking about? It's not even available yet and it's supposed to be for a Habu STS. Not much info is available for it at present but if it's a flight controller for a Habu, it may be locked for that plane and may not be re-programmable for a different plane.

[Tsla]

Thanks for the comments i will use my 637 in another plane.
what about the A3230B reciever, is there a manual for it

[Tsla]

The AR637T is a gyro receiver. The Bigaole is also a gyro device. You CANNOT use 2 gyro devices inline. The stabilization of one will confuse and interfere with the stabilization of other. I know this because I've tried it on a plane with an AR636 and Bigaole. I even tried it using a Turnigy "buddy box", which can separate the signals of the 2 devices with the flip of a switch, whereby the Bigaole is downstream of a standard RX. This also, will NOT work. The plane will fly with one device but when you switch to the other, the plane goes crazy. Then, by changing channel reverse, the other device will work but when switched back to the first, the plane goes crazy.
I did NOT try to zero all gains and priorities of the AR unit but then, if you're not going to use the gyro, why even have an AR unit? Use a standard receiver. You can also turn all gains to zero on the Bigaole, but then, the RTH function won't work. It needs the gyro for it to work the control surfaces.
Your best choice if you want a gyro, RTH AND telemetry is to get the Bigaole and combine it with a standard receiver and the Lemon telemetry unit OR, get the Bigaole and combine it with one of the Lemon telemetry receivers (no gyro). I have flown planes with both types of setups (Bushmule and all my sailplanes) and it works superbly. In fact, I've had a sailplane up to 2500 feet and so far away, I couldn't even see it. I still got telemetry and with the flip of a switch, the plane would turn around and come home. Also, if combined with a Failsafe RX, the plane will also set throttle to come home. (Otherwise, throttle must be set manually for the trip home.)

Thanks

[xviper]

Yes that is true but I assumed he meant turning off the gains in the AR637T. You can replace that function with the Bigaole and gain the extra functions that it has that 637 doesn't (like return to home). An AR637T with gains set to zero should be like a standard receiver.

That is clear to you and me but one can't make the assumption that it is clear to others. Not understanding this can result in a crash within seconds after take off. As I said before, there is no point in using a 637 to only use it as a standard RX and for it's telemetry. It's not a cheap RX. There are other much cheaper routes to take if you want the telemetry. Save the 637 for another plane.
I am current setting up a plane with the 637 and during the build (testing and calibration, etc.), I've set NO gains and yes, it does act like a standard RX. I'll set up the gyro after the plane is finished.

[Gringotuerto]

The AR637T is a gyro receiver. The Bigaole is also a gyro device. You CANNOT use 2 gyro devices inline.

Yes that is true but I assumed he meant turning off the gains in the AR637T. You can replace that function with the Bigaole and gain the extra functions that it has that 637 doesn't (like return to home). An AR637T with gains set to zero should be like a standard receiver.

EDIT: Oh I see you mention that as an option above. I guess disabling anything is a waste in theory, but I have many installed parts with capabilities turned off, mostly because that's the equipment I had free at the moment I was putting together the plane. Anyway the key point is, I agree, it is best not to turn on two gyros. I think they might not oscillate, but they might, and it just isn't worth messing with.

[xviper]

Hey
can I use my bigaole with my ar637t receiver

The AR637T is a gyro receiver. The Bigaole is also a gyro device. You CANNOT use 2 gyro devices inline. The stabilization of one will confuse and interfere with the stabilization of other. I know this because I've tried it on a plane with an AR636 and Bigaole. I even tried it using a Turnigy "buddy box", which can separate the signals of the 2 devices with the flip of a switch, whereby the Bigaole is downstream of a standard RX. This also, will NOT work. The plane will fly with one device but when you switch to the other, the plane goes crazy. Then, by changing channel reverse, the other device will work but when switched back to the first, the plane goes crazy.
I did NOT try to zero all gains and priorities of the AR unit but then, if you're not going to use the gyro, why even have an AR unit? Use a standard receiver. You can also turn all gains to zero on the Bigaole, but then, the RTH function won't work. It needs the gyro for it to work the control surfaces.
Your best choice if you want a gyro, RTH AND telemetry is to get the Bigaole and combine it with a standard receiver and the Lemon telemetry unit OR, get the Bigaole and combine it with one of the Lemon telemetry receivers (no gyro). I have flown planes with both types of setups (Bushmule and all my sailplanes) and it works superbly. In fact, I've had a sailplane up to 2500 feet and so far away, I couldn't even see it. I still got telemetry and with the flip of a switch, the plane would turn around and come home. Also, if combined with a Failsafe RX, the plane will also set throttle to come home. (Otherwise, throttle must be set manually for the trip home.)

[Gringotuerto]

Hey
can I use my bigaole with my ar637t receiver

I look up Bigaole, and I think it just sits in between the receiver and the servos and acts on standard PPM signals, so I don't see any reason why it would not work. Well, when I say "standard PPM signals", unfortunately there is not a rigorous testable standard for this, it is more like a "de-facto industry practice." The exact max/min pulse widths, exact signal voltage, ramp up/down, drive strength, etc. are not specified in any industry-recognized standard. But despite the lack of rigorous standards, I very seldom run into problems with PPM-based devices not working together.

So I guess that is a "highly likely yes."

[Tsla]

Hey
can I use my bigaole with my ar637t receiver

[steven gubala]

Also you should use a switch to toggle back and forth for as3x and safe, you should not have two as3x modes or two safe modes

[steven gubala]

Hey GSKY. Flt mode 1 should be inhibited
Flt mode 2 should be AS3X , NO flight envelope, and NO self - level, your gains and angle limits are just fine
Flt mode 3 should be SAFE, Self-level, gains set 50 & 75, angle limits should be 65,40,45
this should work just fine for your aircraft.

[Gringotuerto]

However, a lot of people lost planes because the settings in the computer were different from the transmitter. Using forward programming is a big improvement on the old method.

I'm not sure what you mean by "setting in the computer different from the Tx". Maybe what you mean is, for example, you have to set "reverse" in the receiver, because it is used both for the control surface direction and the gyro direction. If you set "reverse" on the Tx, and set up everything else correctly in the Rx, then the gyro will be wrong, because only the Tx side knows about the "reverse". That is why they repeat over and over in the instructions "DON'T DO THAT." But OK, I can see how if you tie everything to a single Tx, that can't happen.

However, IMHO it is not better, primarily because I prefer working with a computer with a big screen, a mouse, a keyboard, etc. It was very quick to set up. And I had access to my printer, to dropbox, etc, just like with any other PC application.

I can understand liking forward programming. But having options is a good thing, and actively removing options just to shaft customers is not an improvement. I would prefer using my computer, but probably more to the point, I would prefer not spending 10X to program a receiver that costs X. It is mildly irritating, but pretty standard, to pay a premium for a proprietary cable that costs a few percent of the price of the device you are trying to program. It is not standard when that is 1000% instead of a few percent.

[Gilatrout]

Wow, that is the biggest "middle finger to the customer" I've ever encountered in any business, anywhere. It is kind of normal to overcharge for accessories and cables, but I already bought an overpriced USB cable from Spektrum. Then they quit supporting that, and I bought an overpriced phone cable from them. Now they obsolete that too and expect me to spend >$1000 just to program a receiver I already bought? No way - next transmitter I buy will definitely NOT be Spektrum, I'm done with these stupid games.

What is really irritating is that you KNOW that the developers have a UI simulator. That is the natural way to develop this - it is all written on computers, independent of the target hardware.




Well, if it works like the PC or phone application, all these things are set from the application (and can be stored there as a profile), but they are also stored in the receiver itself. Basically there are two levels....for example, there is a subtrim stored in the Rx, and then on top of that you could adjust subtrim in the Tx. So I think you could borrow a Tx if you only use it to set those items that are stored in the Rx. I assume all the items set by "Forward Programming" are stored in the Rx; but if you go to "Servo settings" or "D/R Expo" menu and set things on the borrowed Tx, then those are stored in the Tx, and would be lost when you bind to your own Tx.

No, these are not set in forward programming. The receiver learns the travel, reversing, wing type etc from the transmitter directly.

Yes, it is software, and this technically could be set in an app. However, a lot of people lost planes because the settings in the computer were different from the transmitter. Using forward programming is a big improvement on the old method.

[Gringotuerto]

Correct. At this stage, the only way to program the newer receivers is through forward programming from the transmitter.

Wow, that is the biggest "middle finger to the customer" I've ever encountered in any business, anywhere. It is kind of normal to overcharge for accessories and cables, but I already bought an overpriced USB cable from Spektrum. Then they quit supporting that, and I bought an overpriced phone cable from them. Now they obsolete that too and expect me to spend >$1000 just to program a receiver I already bought? No way - next transmitter I buy will definitely NOT be Spektrum, I'm done with these stupid games.

What is really irritating is that you KNOW that the developers have a UI simulator. That is the natural way to develop this - it is all written on computers, independent of the target hardware.

I would not recommend having someone program it then switch radios to something that doesn't support forward programming. For one thing the receiver learns servo reversing from the transmitter. Trims, etc are also learned. It won't be able to learn these

Well, if it works like the PC or phone application, all these things are set from the application (and can be stored there as a profile), but they are also stored in the receiver itself. Basically there are two levels....for example, there is a subtrim stored in the Rx, and then on top of that you could adjust subtrim in the Tx. So I think you could borrow a Tx if you only use it to set those items that are stored in the Rx. I assume all the items set by "Forward Programming" are stored in the Rx; but if you go to "Servo settings" or "D/R Expo" menu and set things on the borrowed Tx, then those are stored in the Tx, and would be lost when you bind to your own Tx.

[Gilatrout]

Correct. At this stage, the only way to program the newer receivers is through forward programming from the transmitter. From what I've seen, horizon reps are elusive as to the question of whether PC programming will be possible - but given the way that company conducts itself, I'd be very surprised if they did (i.e. they want us all to buy supported transmitters).

OpenTX/MPM developers are working on implementation on those radios, with positive signs from early progress having been made.

In theory you could use someone elses radio to program it, but again, knowing how they run their business I wouldnt be surprised if there's a catch that prevents you from doing so.

I would not recommend having someone program it then switch radios to something that doesn't support forward programming. For one thing the receiver learns servo reversing from the transmitter. Trims, etc are also learned. It won't be able to learn these

[mshagg]

I just bought an AR637T and find it does not work with the PC application. I can update the firmware version (which I did), but nothing else works. All the menu options are greyed out. I have read it also does not work with the phone cable. It only works with the newest transmitters, which I don't have . So basically, there is no way I can program it, if I am understanding correctly. Is that right?

Correct. At this stage, the only way to program the newer receivers is through forward programming from the transmitter. From what I've seen, horizon reps are elusive as to the question of whether PC programming will be possible - but given the way that company conducts itself, I'd be very surprised if they did (i.e. they want us all to buy supported transmitters).

OpenTX/MPM developers are working on implementation on those radios, with positive signs from early progress having been made.

In theory you could use someone elses radio to program it, but again, knowing how they run their business I wouldnt be surprised if there's a catch that prevents you from doing so.

[Gringotuerto]

Hi Xviper, thanks for the reply

So from what i can see, it is not possible to use the PC spectrum programmer like on the 636. i found that i can view the standard V900 setup file using the pc programmer so i now have the gain values.

So i guess i just have to add these manually using the forward programming through the Tx and then it should be the same as the stock plane?

Found these videos on YT which should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxHT...D-8T-2&index=1

I just bought an AR637T and find it does not work with the PC application. I can update the firmware version (which I did), but nothing else works. All the menu options are greyed out. I have read it also does not work with the phone cable. It only works with the newest transmitters, which I don't have . So basically, there is no way I can program it, if I am understanding correctly. Is that right?