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  • What is an intermediate/advanced user?

    OK, time for a discussion here.  I would love to hear what everyone has to say about what constitutes an intermediate, or intermediate/advanced, or advanced R/C pilot.  I love watching all the video reviews and reading about the planes and then looking at the recommended user skill levels.  I can certainly understand a beginner, I guess that would be a total novice with very little flight time under his/her belt and maybe only used to flying a 3 channel plane.  Now the hard part.  What constitutes an intermediate pilot and when does that blend into an intermediate/advanced one. 
      I would guess that an intermediate pilot could handle a basic 4 channel plane relatively easily. Does it mean that he/she should be able to handle all different gear configurations, flaps or no flaps, retracts/no retracts?  I don't know, just asking.  Maybe that is a relatively loose term that is up to the end user to determine.
      Now how about advanced?  Does this mean that you are excellent at everything and can handle any type of plane thrown at you and can recover from any situation with ease? Does this mean you can just grab a radio and fly any plane, do 3D if applicable, side slip landings in cross winds, perfect landings, perform immelmans, Cuban 8's, fly inverted? 
      I know I'm being too simplistic and your flying skills get honed every time you go out. Every plane handles differently and you might feel like an expert if you only fly 3 channel planes exclusively, or you are now able to take off and land a 4 channel plane successfully 95% of the time.
      I have been flying 2 years now, I can handle a 4 channel plane.  I have several warbirds, a couple of 3D EPP foamies, a few trainers, and a couple of biplanes.  I can usually fly them all without mishap. I have a great time just flying the circuit around the field.  I have not figured how to do inverted flight successfully (don't really desire too), nor can I do any 3D stuff successfully (not that I really want too) but I still love my Katana and Ultimate Biplane that I can throw into a loop, or do a few crazy maneuvers to see how it looks.  I still get WAY nervous on the maiden flight of ANYTHING I get new. I have a new FMS Zero and Freewing P-51 that I won't get to try until spring, and I will be VERY NERVOUS.  I'm afraid that I will rip off the gear on my first attempt at landing.  WHEW!
      I would like to try an EDF sometime, and I was looking at the Freewing F-86 Sabre, or the ME-262, but they said ADVANCED pilots.  OK, what does that mean, should I never attempt those at all until I get years of experience under my belt.  I understand that jets would require a whole different set of rules as far as twitchiness, speed control and responsiveness, but as an intermediate (I guess I am) pilot, are these WAY too uncontrollable for someone like me? Would I be totally miserable trying to keep it in the air?  CAn I just fly them at half throttle and enjoy the sight and sound of the, without getting out of control?
      Just wanted to know what people thought about what intermediate/advanced meant as a guideline.  Looking forward to anyone thoughts.  THANKS.
    Addicted to planes!

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    RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

    I think its open to interpretation and there certainly is not a gauge to measure one's experience level by? Everyone is different, heck I'm flying my first plane and am still under 20 flights and its an FW 190, certainly not a beginner 3ch aircraft. I have had 2 mishaps, though both weren't caused by an issue with me on the sticks, I have smooth take offs and smooth landings, so what would that make someone like me? I certainly consider my self a super newb but I'm flying a 1400 6 ch airplane! So I think its a really open fluid thing.

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    • #3
      RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

      Well I'm thinking that I am just above a noob. I have eight planes now , three are edf's . One trainer , the Pandora in lowing tricycle setup . A big 57" Texan , that I love . A Grand Cruiser , which is so smooth it should be a trainer . Then two smaller ones that are a handful . All those in little over a year . There was many hours of Sim before I got up the nerve to take one outside .
      I damn near pee my shorts  lots of times from being nervous . But to me that's what keeps it fresh and fun . I don't care for stunts , few loops n barrel rolls but that's the existent of it . I enjoy the smooth pattern flying .
      Others are going to say that's boring to them and I'm more than happy to watch them. I watch flying videos all the time , most of them multiple times . I just enjoy the flying aspect . The challenge is on myself to accomplish taking it up and bringing it down in one piece .
      I read and watch for all the tips I can find to help and learn with . When I see a plane that's driving me crazy to buy  , go to the internet and try to see it fly .


      Bryan   
      But Crashing is Landing

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      • #4
        RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

        I'm with you Bryan, there are so many ways of looking at it, that the classification doesn't really mean anything.  I agree that there are people brand new to the hobby and then there are those of us that have a few flights under our belts (and mishaps)  I watch Ryan fly and think to myself,"He's so far above me" but, then, if I can get my 6 channel bird into the air and comfortably around the circuit,  do a great approach and land successfully, then what does that classify me?  SOB is a prime example because, well, we can't figure out just what the heck he is 'cause he did that on his first flight with an 'intermediate' airplane!  You could say that you're an advanced pilot if you can confidently take any bird up for the first time and fly, no problem.  I think there may be one or two of them in the world!
        Some say that if you haven't crashed a certain number of times, then you aren't an experienced pilot, but, to me, that's like saying if you haven't had a few car accidents, then your not an experienced driver........
        Things to ponder......
        Maybe, in the long run, it doesn't matter.  If you have the plane or heli that you've always dreamed of flying and can take her up and enjoy the heck out of it, then you've arrived at your goal and that's all that matters


        Grossman56
        Team Gross!

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        • #5
          RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

          I have a couple planes that I am 98 percent confident they are coming home in one piece and with no issues. I also have a couple planes with a 50 percent chance I'm going to have to tweak or straighten the landing gear. And then there's my 800mm P-51... I might as well turn the hot glue gun on when I leave because I know I'm going to need it when I get back. With that said, I still consider myself a beginner.
          Maybe instead of rating planes on a skill level, they should rate them on a pucker factor scale :D

          Jeff

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          • #6
            RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

            I'm glad some of you feel like I do. It's not about how to classify myself I guess, it's whether or not I had fun flying. The best part for me is to get that plane that I think is real cool and be able to take off and fly around the loop and land it one piece. You get that baby back on the ground, taxi over to yourself, shut her down, and you say "Nice Job!". 
              I think the main reason I get a new plane is because I love the way it looks. I too will go online and find ALL the videos I can of people flying it to see if I could maybe do it too. Sometimes I think it does come down to the cost issues too. I would love to have that plane, but if I crash it I am going to cry because it costs so much. If I trash my $120 cub, not so bad, if I crash the new $325 B-17.......well I might have a lot of pain to live through. 
            Addicted to planes!

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            • #7
              RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

              Best feeling in RC flying, after a nice smooth flight and landing when the prop stops spinning after roll out!

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              • #8
                RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                I figure, if you can do a Lomcovak, to a hammerhead, into an inverted flat spin, and then land in one piece, without having a coronary.... You are advanced!!! The Doctor :D :D

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                • #9
                  RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                  Yep, I have to agree with the Doc.  But the degree of pucker factor afterwards determines where you are on the learning curve.

                  Grossman56
                  Team Gross!

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                  • #10
                    RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                    Great thread! I think when the transition from intermediate to advanced happens it's really kind of hard to notice. It creeps up slowly where you little by little have a more discerning eye and feel a little better the character and tendency of the plane. I remember learning and feeling like you just pulled one over if you brought the thing home in one piece. Much like if that plane flew you and your success was just how it so happened to have worked out. A pilot could be flying that same early beginner type plane but now be flying ahead of it in his head and consistently able to shoot good landings or perform certain stunts. Back to the opening post. My take on your situation with what little I know of it would be this. When you master the zero and the Freewing Mustang [That just means you consistently bring it home in one piece and feel like take offs and landings are performed under your control for the most part and not just luck] then you're ready for anything. Best part about watching videos is with a little bit of a discerning eye you can get an idea of the character and if it's the right bird for you in the place you are with the hobby. I get the opportunity to fly things where there is really no way to gather info from watching others. In those cases I will defer judgement to the pilot who does have stick time on it. Glad to have our Alpha who does so much cool flight testing and engineering work on these new birds. Better believe before I take up one of these cool new jets I'll be looking in the manual but also seeing what he did for CG and throws. Long post guys sorry, excellent topic. My last thing to mention is this. I will scour Youtube for old declassified military training films on these warbirds that we love so much. I've learned a lot from them. No, I don't need to know the take off manifold pressure for the AT6, but I do and that's cool because I also learned hot to do sweet barrel rolls too. Good stuff everyone!

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                    • #11
                      RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                      Nice reading Ryan enjoyed it 


                      Bryan 
                      But Crashing is Landing

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                      • #12
                        RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                        This is my story. I started out with a pz P-51 with as3x this was a great start, my confidence level grew with every flight after about a 100 controlled flights I figured I was ready for a FMS P-51 800 mm series. My first takeoff was great the flight was to say the least a rush, the landing was sketchy. What I'm trying to say is the P-51 although I could fly it just didn't allow me to improve my skills, that is when I bought the Pandora. This airplane in the high wing tail dragger set up to me is the ultimate trainer this plane will boost your confidence as well as hone your skills,after doing inverted flight great landings,then I changed to the low wing configuration and the skills cam with more flights a lot of touch and go's . Now I have moved up to the Eflite P-51 with AS3X and this bird is just awesome,retract landing gear and flaps. But I do know one thing when you get something in the air that your not ready for you will be the first to know and hopefully you'l get it back on the ground in 1 piece. I also live near a river so I decided to try my luck with a seaplane. I bought a Tidewater by Flyzone and right out of the box this plane flew great, now I'm flying right in front of my house, doesn't get any better then that. I would now consider myself intermediate/advance pilot. I hope this post helped you out. Good luck flying it's the greatest hobby.

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                        • #13
                          RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                          Welcome to the family Chevfmly ! My first real learning how to was a Pandora also . What a great rock solid plane . I've been wanting a water bird for a long time now ,How do you like it  ?



                          Bryan
                          But Crashing is Landing

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                          • #14
                            RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                            Hi Hippie 64. The Flyzone Tidewater is a great sea plane it handles like a boat in the water and take-offs are great it comes up on the surface real quick and up it goes, the power on this bird is impressive. With 70% expo it flies very stable and scale like, landings are just fantastic it comes to a stop in 10 feet when you bring it back to you it just looks so cool. I flew it in one of our clubs seaplane events last summer at Moore Dam in Vermont we had a very windy day and the waves were nearly a foot high, the plane took-off bouncing off the waves after the third bounce up it went, the flight was pretty stable considering the wind, I was nervous about the landing but it came in great on the way back to me it would disappear between the waves. One more thing it takes-off and lands great on snow. I highly recommend this bird

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                            • #15
                              RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                              I can also recommend this plane. Flies well off of grass to for the initial trimming flights, but water is where this bird shines. We've got a few large ponds around here and I enjoy this plane as well as the UMX Icon A5. Both fly well. Landings are easy on the water, just let it float it and touch down. There is something really cool about watching the plane you are flying touch down on the water! Enjoy!!

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                              • #16
                                RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                                Sounds great !!! Looks like another for the hanger . My wife says we live in an airport now lol


                                Bryan
                                But Crashing is Landing

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                                • #17
                                  RE: What is an intermediate/advanced user?

                                  Funny, my wife says the same thing. Just because I have 4 or 5 airplanes lining the window in the family room, and a spare bedroom loaded up with planes and kits. Looks good to me!! :D

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