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  • Sig 4 star 54

    Hello all, I plan on getting this plane for my next arf the Sig 4 star 54 with a rimfire G46. Anyone have any experience with this plane?
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    RE: Sig 4 star 54

    Yes, What specifically do you want to know about it? It flies very muck like another Hershey bar wing with cigar box fuselage model. That is she has a gentle stall and a lot of drag. This helps a lot on landing but can be limiting when trying to do more advanced aerobatics.

    Like most wood ARF I feel the landing gear mounts can be reinforced.

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    • #3
      RE: Sig 4 star 54

      Just wondering what people think of it. I am moving more into sport planes and this looks very nice.
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      • #4
        RE: Sig 4 star 54

        Moving from where to "Sport Planes"? By most classification the 4 star is an aileron trainer. She is very forgiving and by the same token see is rather limited in the aerobatic arena. She can handle a little more wind than a typical high wing model.

        Can I ask what power system you are planing to use, you mention a Rimfire 46? But that doesn't tell us much, like the # of cells and the current draw (often controlled by the choice of prop). I think a 800 watts to 1Kw is what one would need to wake up this model.

        All the best,
        Konrad

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        • #5
          RE: Sig 4 star 54

          I have been in this hobby for about a year and a half. I am looking to move from high wing to more acrobatic type planes. The Artizan I have had a lot of fun with. I have or had several low/mid wing models such as the Sonic, and Escapade MX.

          I was planning on using a 4s 3000 battery and a 11x7 prop.

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          I am open to suggestions.

          Thanks
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          • #6
            RE: Sig 4 star 54

            The 4 star is a good plane in the same class as what you currently fly, but it will be way down on power with 4 cell and 11x7. You might want to look at a 12x8 to a13x7.
            I think you will want to be able to draw 50 to 60 amps

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            • #7
              RE: Sig 4 star 54

              You think I should use a 5s battery along with the bigger prop?
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              • #8
                RE: Sig 4 star 54

                A 5s on the 11x7 is about right (max) for that motor.

                Remember the larger the battery the smaller the prop for any given motor.

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                • #9
                  RE: Sig 4 star 54

                  Ok thanks, Great, I will go with a 5s battery 11x7 prop. I appreciate the help.
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                  • #10
                    RE: Sig 4 star 54

                    Now if you were going to stay with 4 cells this might actually be a better model. It has a thinner wing ( a little more performance) and as it is made of foam it is a lot more durable.

                    To my eye they look the same.
                    http://www.motionrc.com/e-flite-pulse-15e-1400mm-55-wingspan-pnp/

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                    • #11
                      RE: Sig 4 star 54

                      I forgot to mention this plane when I listed my others but I do have this one. I like this plane except I wish it used a 4 cell pack instead of maxing out with a 3 cell pack. I wish it had a little more punch when flying.

                      Required Battery for the Pulse 15e:

                      3S 11.1V 2500 - 4000mAh Li-Po battery

                      I use a 3S 4000 in mine.
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                      • #12
                        RE: Sig 4 star 54

                        Sorry I missed that 3 cell set up. Have you thought of a smaller lighter pack. With 4000 mAh cells I'd think you could fly for over 10 minutes.

                        It looks to me that you have enough experience to move up to more performance like aircraft. Are there any aircraft with some taper in the wings that you like?

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                        • #13
                          RE: Sig 4 star 54

                          Tapper, no sure what you mean. I would like a solid balsa sport plane. 52-55 inch wingspan with an electric setup. Any recommendations?
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                          • #14
                            RE: Sig 4 star 54

                            Taper- The wing tip chord is smaller than the wing root chord. Solid balsa? With todays foam and molding process, foam models often are actually stiffer than the traditional balsa models. They often have a lot of carbon stiffeners imbedded in the foam.

                            I was looking to see if you could go 4 cell with the Pulse 15. I don't think so, not with the ESC that comes with it. There is little data on the e-flite site but it looks like it has a linear BEC. This will limit the servo count to 2 maybe 3 on 4 cells.

                            If you up grade to a ZTW or Castle Creations ESC with SBEC (switching BEC) you might get close to a 350 watt set up with an 10x5 prop.
                            http://www.motionrc.com/upgrade-series-escs/
                            http://www.motionrc.com/ztw-mantis-45a-esc-with-5a-sbec/

                            Most wood ARFs are now scale models. There are a lot of nice wood models of Extras, Edges, Yaks and the like.
                            http://extremeflightrc.com

                            This is my all time favorite wood sport ARF in the non 3D 4 cell class.
                            http://extremeflightrc.com/48-Vanquish-MKII_p_274.html

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                            • #15
                              RE: Sig 4 star 54

                              On the Pulsar if you are looking for a bit more power (improve the power to weight ratio). Going with a lighter battery will pay huge dividends. So will playing with props. For a bit better vertical you might want to go with a 13x6 maybe a 13x7. If you want speed an 11 x10 might help. But with the wings of the Pulsar being what they are, I wouldn't concentrate on speed.

                              Do you have an amp meter? I find that with an Amp meter I'm will to try all sorts of prop combination as I'm able to tell if the current draw is still safe.

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                              • #16
                                RE: Sig 4 star 54

                                Is that the same as a watt meter?
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                                • #17
                                  RE: Sig 4 star 54

                                  No.
                                  But a Watt Meter has the function to measure amps, Watts = Amps x Volts. Wether it displays the amps depends on the unit.

                                  Most electrical components have at least three limits:
                                  Power-Watts
                                  Current-AMPS
                                  Voltage- Volts

                                  With motors the voltage limit defines the rpm limit and the insulation break down of the windings. Current and Power can be balanced off each other as long as heat (work- power and time) is kept in check.

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