New FAA Rules

[Konrad]

RE: New FAA Rules

Yes, but it would not be a sympathetic audience!!! We need to play the same game as the Feds and make them look foolish, not us endangering the airspace!!!

[Konrad]

RE: New FAA Rules

More fun with the US government!!
http://arstechnica.com/security/2015/12/unauthorized-code-in-juniper-firewalls-decrypts-encrypted-vpn-traffic/

If you use a credit card cancel it or at least lower the credit limit to the needed $5.

How can the US government be such Fools? !!!

Did you read all the crap with the NSA. They are worse than anything the bad guys could do to stifle commerce. That really was what Osama bin Laden wanted to do, that was to set in motion the tools of our own destruction. In the end he won the game with all the added costs and the loss of freedom we suffer at the hands of the NSA!

[Grossman56]

RE: New FAA Rules

I hope everyone's submitted their comments to the FAA regarding this tax grab of theirs

Grossman56

[rc-eflyer]

RE: New FAA Rules

[Grumpy Old Man] You know, in all honesty, I believe now that our comments at this point are a waste of time. I mean we all already gave them our comments and they have obviously chosen to ignore the very people (us and our AMA leadership) who could provide them with the most knowledge on the subject at hand. Maybe I'm just in a bad mood lately but I'm sick and tired of this $#@*. [/Grumpy Old Man]

Steve

[boomer108]

RE: New FAA Rules

I feel the same Steve. I've been around 65 years and I have never seen such a bunch of "MORONS" as we have in government today. 

Signed
Another Grumpy Old Man!

[Flygirl]

RE: New FAA Rules

I feel the same Steve. I've been around 65 years and I have never seen such a bunch of "MORONS" as we have in government today. 

Signed
Another Grumpy Old Man!

A friend of mine who designs and flies fixed wing drones for a living (self employed) has an interesting take on this. He believes that the FAA is in bed with the full sized pilots lobby groups who would lose jobs if the technology moves ahead. Of course he also has irons in the fire for saying that but it does somewhat explain why the FAA seems to have it in for a group who has had a near perfect safety record.

By the way, I live in the Baltimore / Washington DC area and we have a huge no fly zone (30 mile circle) around Washington DC that we have to deal with and several clubs, AMA clubs at that, fall inside that zone but really aren't close to DC. In fact they are outside the city's beltway road system. The FAA however came out this past weekend and closed at least one of them by padlocking the field and threatening lawsuits against anyone who flies. The club has been at that location for 16 years with a perfect safety record (except for a lot of weeds that accidentally might have been chopped up by a prop!). Here's a link the club posted.... http://www.flyfreestate.com/ Kind of crappy thing to do....

[doctormike]

RE: New FAA Rules

Ignorant Ba---ards!!!! Oh... did I say that out loud? Doc

[chevstar]

RE: New FAA Rules

:(         It's terrible how so few jerks can ruin it for everyone else.  The FAA really did blow it when they added our planes to the law, just doesn't make any sense at all,we've been flying our planes for generations without any issues and the the drones come in and ruin it for all of us seems like they need to sell these only after registering with the FAA themselves. Just seems so frustrating that we pay for there stupidity

[Flygirl]

RE: New FAA Rules

Well, being a drone flier myself as well as fixed wing drones and traditional R/C aircraft, I wouldn't blame the multirotor crowd as a whole for the actions of a few yahoo idiots. I know that the great majority of local drone enthusiasts, at least in my neck of the woods, fly by the rules. I know of a few instances when our group has been flying and someone has come up and started a conversation about how they had bought a Phantom and were flying it by themselves, outside of our community, and flying in what I would call risky situations. One guy said he had flown over a gathering at a local fire department and the fire department had to tell him not to fly above the crowd. Seems like he would realize "stuff happens" on his own but these guys, these outliers, don't see potential problems. I will say he was wearing gold chains... LOL! The problem with multirotors is that it is super easy to hover... It's not as easy to actually maneuver though and that's where these newbies get into trouble. Just for grins I went over to YouTube and searched all "drone Xmas" videos posted in the last week. The awful flying was incredible. Things will change though... It's a fad and like all fads (ie hoverboards) it will die down. I can say that among many in the multirotor community the interest has shifted markedly to small "racing" drones and away from larger rigs like the Phantom etc... Now the "in" thing is to race across the ground at 6 feet and do flips and tricks. It's getting away from the "look how high I can hover" dorks. Anyways, my point is, don't blame the dronies as a whole, most of them fly responsibly and within the rules.

[fastnblue]

RE: New FAA Rules

And yet another incident - per CNN someone hovered a drone at car height near Obama's motorcade in Hawaii. I think I agree that registration should be required prior to purchasing one of these quads. However, since the FAA can't distinguish between quads and RC airplanes......

[Grossman56]

RE: New FAA Rules

Haven't we heard all this before in a different scenario.
  This is called 'gun control' a few idiots ruin it for the vast majority of responsible citizens.  No matter how many rules and regulations they dream up, it still isn't going to stop an idiot from doing what he or she wants with a drone, then they'll come after us with even stiffer rules and high fees and it still won't stop.  It boils down to us 'self monitoring' our hobby.  See an idiot, report an idiot!!
I'm in the NRA as well as the AMA, I have no trouble reporting someone acting stupidly with a gun or a drone.
We expect the Muslims to report radicals, we need to weed out the bad ones on our group too
(No not a Muslim)

Grossman56

[fastnblue]

RE: New FAA Rules

Oh yeah! As a NRA member myself, I was thinking the same thing but since gun control is an even hotter issue I wasn't sure how appropriate it would be here. Maybe I just have the Newebie jitters. I don't like it but carry a gun get the permit, fly RC get registered. Believe me some of the old fliers in our club are more than furious. Especially those that have no or limited access to the web. Now I wonder when we'll have to get FCC licenses again and pay for them. Remember the early days????

[Flygirl]

RE: New FAA Rules

And yet another incident - per CNN someone hovered a drone at car height near Obama's motorcade in Hawaii.  I think I agree that registration should be required prior to purchasing one of these quads.  However, since the FAA can't distinguish between quads and RC airplanes......

Therein lies the problem in a nutshell... I'm sure someone just wanted a cool picture but didn't think "what if...". I wonder if some people don't even know because they never read the news? Or are confused? I have a friend that lives in FL and her two boys, teenagers, fly R/C. I asked her if they had registered and she said, "Oh no.... They don't have any drones." . LOL!

[fastnblue]

RE: New FAA Rules

Exactly. News media says "Drones" FAA say :sUAS". Read the rule and then you'll say, "ISC. (I'm So Confused)." I really just wish people would use some common sense.

[The Huff]

RE: New FAA Rules

I hope the AMA can get an exemption ruling for AMA members. I think this would satisfy
the FAA need for accountability and also meet the terms of a "community based organization"
as set forth in SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT.

Just my two cents worth ....

[fastnblue]

RE: New FAA Rules

That would be nice but as a veteran of a government bureaucracy I don't see that happening. First it would mean that a government agency would need to interface directly with a civilian organization that has an entirely different focus. Second the registration period for the FAA rule is 3 years while AMA membership typically spans only one year. Therefore, if your AMA membership expired the AMA would have to report this to the FAA or AMA minimum membership period would need to be for 3 years to match the FAA requirement. Next, the FAA wants its piece of the pie thus a portion of your AMA dues would likely need to be paid to the FAA anyway. In a nutshell, the administrative burden on both organizations would grow exponentially.

I'm all for an exemption for us AMA members and I hate the government regulating any more of my life. Frankly, if the idiots continue to fly anything in an unsafe manor it wouldn't surprise me to see the next step be licensing of RC pilots to include mandatory training.

In the short term I'm concerned about local governments issuing bans on RC aircraft within a city limits even at sanction sites. Remember elections have consequences. For now, continue to protest, support the AMA, and report/enlighten the idiots (quads, fixed wings, rotors, whatever) - that's my plan.

[Flygirl]

RE: New FAA Rules

That's a couple of great points regarding AMA's aims there FnB.... As for licensing, I believe that is what the UK did and seems to be working well but I don't know if that applied only to multirotors or not. After seeing some of the videos of what those guys fly over there (HUGE!) it's probably all R/C aircraft but I don't know for sure. And yes, local laws passed have been more restrictive than even the FAA's regulations or whatever we want to call them. So far the FAA is trying to assert their control over the local governments and who knows where that will end up.

[doctormike]

RE: New FAA Rules

Mothballing might be a bit extreme, however, if this turns out like the "affordable"care scam I suspect it will be the same nightmare to complete. Doc

[Grossman56]

RE: New FAA Rules

I can see it getting to the point where we all sneak out to some remote part of the state and fly under the radar!
Seriously though, I think it will raise such a stink that there will be a lot of political posturing and it will fade into the sunset.  Optimistic thinking, well maybe, but there is a law in the books already that gives us the right, so do they really want to go to court over it?

Grossman56

[Flygirl]

RE: New FAA Rules

I know of one person, a well known name in multirotors, that is hoping he gets challenged, not from flying unsafely but by solely following the community based rule set laid down by the AMA. His goal is to become the test case against the FAA's emergency regulations when the law you, GMan, mentioned already exists. His thoughts were the same as yours. Either the FAA comes at him risking a court case or, if they don't, then the regulations have been proven to be toothless.