Any new 1700mm or bigger planes coming soon ?

[Aros]

Good to know, thanks!

[Shirty]

I love the 1400-1700 size. Anything smaller I'm just not interested really. I'd buy them all if I could. :)

Ps: a 1400-1700 scale spitfire done properly, decent retracts etc would be awesooooommmmeeee!!! And sell like hot cakes. ;)

[wrongroad]

G'day gang,
I posed this 'question' ages ago on another forum and I was amused at how many blokes thought that I was making a statement.
The 1400mm series of FMS units and that size range in other brand seems to be driven by the size of the motor cars that will be used to transport the machines. Just a casual observation, not a statement of fact.
Does anyone think that the manufacturers did not measure the boots [trunks] of cars, SUV's and vans?:D
My FMS birds and my Freewing B-17 fit oh so nicely in the back of my Hyundi iload van with out having to take the wings off any of them. With the rack in the back, I can take four models and the crew area has six seats.
I could also fit one in the back of my hatch back style car before that and only have the two front seats available. And one of those was mine!
If you look at the bulk, by no means all, of the RTF, ARF etc, offerings, how many any fit into the 1400/1600mm range?
I would think it is not a coincidence. Smaller models might work for motorcycles.....hey, do not laugh, I have seen models airplanes being taken to the field on the back of a Suzuki 1000cc something.:cool:
After all, so many things have been made to fit existing infrastructure over the years. Many of NASA's rockets where made to fit the railway gauge.
If I was to be making something like a model aircraft, one thing that would be in mind is the ease of transport. After all, the models will spend more time in transit than in the air. At least that is true for my models.
Perhaps I am way of the mark but it is a good theory if nothing else.
While I would like to go to 1700mm, I would struggle to fit a model of this size without pulling the wings off. Not a problem in the overall scheme of things obviously but the 1400mm units fit oh so sweetly.
Regards and respect
Daryl

[Aros]

No question is it that ease of transport is a primary factor in the success of the smaller models. My point has always been to make a wing removal system on the larger models so attractive to those with smaller vehicles that it becomes a no-brainer, win-win. I had a 3D plane that was fairly large that used a nylon wing bolt setup. You simply screwed/unscrewed the wing from the fuse with a nylon bolt on the inside with a head that allowed leverage to easily twist. Super clean, super easy.

If foam manufacturers would invest some money and time into doing something similar for the 1600mm+ class, it would be a home run.

[Grossman56]

Due to the wind factor, I have to agree that 1400mm is about as small as I want to go. The Waco is small and yes you can fly her in a breeze (the Wyoming definition) but when the breeze starts gusting, its not fun. I can actually hover the Pandoras in the breeze, so figure from there. I found that the 1400 mm birds handle it well, so I'm sticking to at least that size.
Always had my eye on the 1700mm Corsair, big and beautiful, but if they discontinue it I can live with that.

Grossman56

[Shirty]

No question is it that ease of transport is a primary factor in the success of the smaller models. My point has always been to make a wing removal system on the larger models so attractive to those with smaller vehicles that it becomes a no-brainer, win-win. I had a 3D plane that was fairly large that used a nylon wing bolt setup. You simply screwed/unscrewed the wing from the fuse with a nylon bolt on the inside with a head that allowed leverage to easily twist. Super clean, super easy.

If foam manufacturers would invest some money and time into doing something similar for the 1600mm+ class, it would be a home run.

Couldn't agree more. Most of my flying is big 3D balsas, which anything over 63" I have to remove the wings. It's a less than 2 minute job with the wing screws they use in these large 3D planes, (and only two aileron leads tho), but I've been amazed my bigger warbirds don't use a similar method. (Even the balsa ones). Getting the wings off some warbirds is a real pain, (like the fms models), but lucky I only need to remove wings on a 64" or larger. :)

[Aros]

Yeah it amazes me as well that we haven't seem some type of wing screw method in the larger foamies. As for the extra servo leads, they could use universal connectors to make it an easy 1 plug per side event. If some thought was put into the engineering phase, this is something that could be the difference between taking two minutes to remove/install a wing, and 20 seconds or less.

[yorkiepap]

I also find the larger foamies more desirable & I'm gradually reducing my hangar of anything smaller than 1100mm. These (2) are my favorite large scale planes & their presence in the air is beautiful & they fly awesome. The Dornier Do-27 w/1600mm w/s has very clever dual wing latches w/double CF wing rods for added strength. The wings come apart quite easily for transportation. The Pilatus Porter PC-6 has a 1700mm w/s & I modified the wing mount to plywood w/T-nuts & the wing screws from the long, thin Phillips screws to (3) 1/4 X 20 teflon screws....so much better & easier to install & remove the wings. Some pics...

Denny

[Aros]

Nice birds yorkiepap! Where did you get the Dornier Do-27? That's sweet!

[Shirty]

Yeah totally agree. The dornier is beautiful mate.

[OV10]

Nice birds yorkiepap! Where did you get the Dornier Do-27? That's sweet!

Pretty sure it is the Taft Hobby Limited which also comes in the zebra livery and is distributed by Banana. The PC-6 is an ArtTech which is distributed by HK. Been some pretty decent reviews on both of them but would like to know what is your opinion on them yorkiepap regarding durability??

[Sky Wolf]

What's funny is that what's "big" to some may be "small" to others, and vice versa. I remember when I stepped up from the little yellow Champ and the Ultra Micro T-28, to the FMS 800mm Trojan, it seemed big. Then I moved to the 1400mm Sky Surfer from Banana, and it seemed huge! Man I was nervous. What I discovered as I quickly moved up the size, speed and performance chart, is that the bigger they became, the easier they were to handle and land...especially in wind. I began to appreciate the developing and perfecting of my flying skills more because I wasn't crashing as much anymore.

Trying to land those small ones in the wind wasn't exactly easy. I thought it was my lack of skill (well, maybe it was that too). But it made it hard to learn when the wind was blowing me around like a feather.

Now, into 90 and 105mm jets, 1700mm P-51's, Carbon Z's, Hangar 9 Taylorcrafts, etc., they really make it more scale and so much fun. As an earlier posting said, "I don't wake up and say to myself, I can't wait to get out and fly that 800mm T-28"...like I used to do. :p But I do pull them out from time to time and hit the local park. And when I do, I really enjoy it too. I'm much better now after 3 years, about 60 planes, and a lot of fun hours with the flying buddies.

That said, as soon as all this Texas spring rain clears I'm charging up some 1300mah 3S batts and make my 800mm P-47 scream across the skies!

[yorkiepap]

Nice birds yorkiepap! Where did you get the Dornier Do-27? That's sweet!

I got mine from BH when I read Michael Heer's review on RCG. They branded it "Air Epic" & they don't have it presently...."as usual". Then, DH carried it under the "Cloud Nine" brand & they, too, don't have it in stock. I don't know if anyone else carries it....a shame, it's a great model. I understand the manufacturer is Taft Hobbies. MRC should consider getting this one.

Denny

[yorkiepap]

Pretty sure it is the Taft Hobby Limited which also comes in the zebra livery and is distributed by Banana. The PC-6 is an ArtTech which is distributed by HK. Been some pretty decent reviews on both of them but would like to know what is your opinion on them yorkiepap regarding durability??

Hey OV10,
First, I want to say that I buy PNP models as they are a fair value for what you get. Generally, very little is needed to improve & really enhance reliability. When I unbox every model, I do a complete exam. & eval. & then list what I feel would definitely improve all the varying flight parameters. The biggest culprits are the landing gear first, & attachment points next. Some models have inherent problems such as the Dynam ESC's...I simply replace ALL of them with Turnigy Plush units. Since our club field is grass that our county parks keep somewhat groomed, there are the ever-cropup bumps & divets that can play havoc with LG.

I modified both planes LG & changed the wheels to 4" foam Tundra tires that are custom made by a fellow for our LHS. They are perfect for these size models & really tame the t/o's & ldg's. I have posted on (2) threads on RCG my mods with lots of pics of each model. Attached are the links. Once I had them completed, the maiden flights were absolutely superb with very minor trim needed. I generally fly scale @half-throttle to extend my time aloft. On both models use 4S 4000mah 65C LiPos & average 12-20min with throttle management. I do like to really test my mettle with STOL t/o's & ldg's & vary my liftoffs & approaches with engaging the flaps to observe the changes with flight parameters. With the mods I did, both planes are very rugged & not any issues with the varying conditions of our field. Attached are links to my builds & mods....

Denny

Link 1: Do-27...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2238122

Link 2: Pilatus Porter PC-6...Start at Post 26 & following posts for mods/pics...

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...2329019&page=2

[Shirty]

So this morning I wake up and see a pop up add for a flightline spitfire. I'm still half asleep but I get really excited n click on it to find out it's only 1200mm. :(

Please do in a 1400-1700 size!!!

[Aros]

One fine day Shirty. One fine day.

[Grossman56]

I hear you Shirty! I like to maintain the same scale for my planes. I waited for the P40B to get released in 1400mm Scale, guess I'll wait for the 'one fine day'
Maybe Aros is hinting... It does seem strange that the only 1600 mm bird they come out with is the P38, there must be more in the works!!

Grossman56

[Mizer67]

No question is it that ease of transport is a primary factor in the success of the smaller models. My point has always been to make a wing removal system on the larger models so attractive to those with smaller vehicles that it becomes a no-brainer, win-win. I had a 3D plane that was fairly large that used a nylon wing bolt setup. You simply screwed/unscrewed the wing from the fuse with a nylon bolt on the inside with a head that allowed leverage to easily twist. Super clean, super easy.

If foam manufacturers would invest some money and time into doing something similar for the 1600mm+ class, it would be a home run.

So much this.

I only recently took the plunge and started flying models larger than 1100mm, scratch that, even larger than 800mm really when I put it into perspective and I have to say, if mfgs. made the wings easier to remove they'd be so much nicer and I think more successful. I have to shove a cradle in the car (which takes up even more room) just to get the screws in the wings. If the mfgs. did away with those small, fine pitch screws and found a successful quick attachment method, I think they'd sell more of the larger planes.

As it is, I don't want to fly my smaller planes at the moment, but I am limited to flying only one larger (1400mm) plane at a time due to the lack of ability to transport more. I might be able to fit another plane in the car if I could just ditch the foam cradle needed to screw in the wing and I'd be flying faster when I get to the field.

[JFandL]

One rule with any fixed wing airframe, the bigger the wing the better it will fly, got to do with a few things but at the core its the air itself and how its made.

That's also why some RC models must cheat on the wing ribs or over size lift area's.

I love big Aircraft myself, IMHO they fly the best. Only one thing is for sure in this hobby, stick around and it will change.

John

[Grossman56]

I agree with you John, its like buying shoes, they might look great, but if they're too small, they'll cause you pain!
Out here in windy Wyoming, you need the size. All mine with the exception of my RocHobby Waco, are 1400mm and mine are the small ones in the club for the most part!
Still, I know we haven't heard the last of the 1600mm Flightline planes yet (at least I hope not!)
So I'm holding out to see what comes out next.

Grossman56