I have been flying a trainer and warbirds and want to make the transition into EDF jets. Anyone have any suggestions? Is there any EDF type trainers available?
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No trainers per se but we can recommend a few. The Freewing F-86 80mm https://www.motionrc.com/collections...mm-edf-jet-pnp is a real nice stable platform and would be a great entry level EDF. Just steer away from the more complex ones for now like the F-104, F-16 and others like that. If you need to stay on budget then the 64mm's will work great also and the F-86 in that size is a very stable platform also. Let us know if you have any questions on any Jets and feel free to call 224-633-9090 and we would be more than happy to talk about any you may have questions on. -
just also to mention is the F9f panther 64 or even the A-6 intruder as well both very stable as well.Comment
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Anything with longer, straighter wings will typically be easier to fly and be less "slippery" in the turns. As others have mentioned, I would look at the Freewing F9F (one of Motion's best selling smaller jet), Freewing F-86 (either 64mm or 80mm), Dynam Meteor, Freewing Venom (large aircraft but very stable), and the Freewing Rebel. I have also heard that the Freewing 70mm Yak-130 is a good intermediate jet, but I have not flown it personally.Comment
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Of course, the A-10 was designed for slow, stable flight, because it is a ground attack aircraft.Comment
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As others have said, if you want to start out with a larger edf with retracts, the 80mm Freewing F-86 is a fantastic flyer. In fact, I've let a few students who only had flight time on an Apprentice fly mine. For the smaller jets, the 64mm F9F Panther is a very nice flyer and makes a great first jet.Comment
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Anything high wing will be easier to fly than a low wing, as they are inherently more stable. In my opinion, the F-15 64mm, the Yak-130 in 70mm, the A-6 in 80mm, and the F-15 in 90mm are among the nicest flying, and most stable platforms that I have flown in their respective size classes. As Wayne said, give us a call if you need any more information, we are a bunch of jet jocks around here, and while we each may have our own preference, we can surely help you down the EDF path!! Happy Landings!!Comment
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A-10 Warthog! DocComment
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The EDF that will serve you best is the Freewing A-10 - very stable - predictable - non-swept "Hershey Bar" type main wings allows for stable slow flight - nice take-off / landing characteristics - excellent thrust ratio (but that's like - just my opinion)Comment
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Lots of good advice here, so I won't mention any specific planes (the ones I'd list are already above), but I will mention a couple things to be aware of. With EDFs speed is important. You don't get air over the control surfaces from prop wash, so you need air speed for the control surfaces to work. I have seen some crash on take off because they don't develop enough air speed or they take off too steep, stall the plane and it doesn't respond (done the latter myself). Also, be mindful of the rates for ailerons and elevators. You don't need as much throw with an EDF as your do slower prop planes - and be easy on the sticks when learning.Comment
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From my experience getting into EDFs, I would second the suggestion of the Freewing A-10 - makes a great first EDF. As said above, having that wide straight wing allows for stable, docile flight characteristics, and definitely adds a wider margin of error if inadvertently stalled. Hope all goes smoothly in your transition to EDFs, best of luck.Comment
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I'd like to chime in a bit.
I'm a veteran "sport flyer". Been flying Warbirds and some 3D for about 15 years now and I too have decided to venture into the world of EDF's. I contacted Motion about it and was also recommended to try the Freewing F-86 80mm, however I decided to buy the A6 Intruder instead for training and the F15 for when I get more advanced, since I really dislike the way the F86 looks.. I just couldnt buy it... I know, probably a noob mistake right?
Anyway, few people said I should be fine as long as I dont try to fly it like a 3D plane, more like a scale warbird. Long wide turns and patterns.
You guys think I'll be ok? Or should I put the FW A6-Intruder away and get a cheap F86?Comment
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I have the A6 and it's pretty tame. Just keep the speed up in the turns. For dipping your toe into the edf world, you might try a few hand launch/ belly landers first like the Panther or even the F/A-18 w/ an A3L stabilizer. Some of the 64mm's like the F-35 can be a bit twitchy if you're not used to twitchy. The high performance models will be the F-104, F5, Mirage ,Mig-21. Wait on those. Don't start off with a delta wing or a stubby winged rocket ship like the F-104
For the money, the best value out there in a durable, easy to fly 70mm is the Yak-130. Just my opinion. Love this plane. Wide fuse, red livery for ease of sight.great power range- 200 bucks. I fly mine off grass.
Want to go bigger? An easy, graceful flyer is the Stinger 90. I still think this is FW's signature edf. All of the good, none of the bad.
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Batch 1 A-10 Squadron (unless they screw me even though I ordered in the first hours of the first day)Currently flying: Twin 80mm A-10, 80mm F5, 80mm A6, 70mm Yak-130, 70mm F-16v2,90mm Stinger 90, 70mmRC Lander F9F, Flightline F7F TigerCat, Phoenix 46 size Tucano, Flyzone L-39
Out of Service: 80mm Mig-21,64mm F-35, 64mm F/A-18
I Want: 80mm A-4, twin 80mm F4J PhantomComment
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The Viper 90 would be tame especially with the stabilization on. Does anyone have thoughts on that?Comment
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I have one, along with 2 others at my field. Yes, it is a very stable and versatile jet, however, it's also a very expensive jet so as a "beginner" jet, even a stable one, can be crashed resulting is some expensive repairs and a lot of heartache.Originally posted by Irishbug View PostComment
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If the Viper appeals to you, perhaps a better (and cheaper option) is the 70mm Viper. It performs similar to the big 90mm Viper and of the 3 at my field, they seem to take a lickin' and keep on tickin'. However, reverse is not available unless you upgrade to an Avian ESC and smart RX. Reverse is really nice if you fly off a smooth, but short runway. It'll keep you from mashing the plane into the junk beyond the end of the runway. If you fly off grass or a rough runway, reverse is really not needed as the plane will stop well on its own.
Of course, your transmitter must be updatable so you can have the Avian programming feature to activate reverse.Comment
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Originally posted by xviper View Post
I agree the viper is a good beginner plane, but it can be hard to see. A little orange paint on the wing tips goes a long way with this plane.
I also like the eflite 70mm F16 Thunderbird. Very predictable flight and isn't bad for a first edf for an experienced pilot.
The eflite 64mm F15 and Motion's 64mm Panther are nice beginner plane and has the advantage of not being expensive to replace when the inevitable happensComment
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My first one was the Eflite UMX Citation ($200) - twin 30s - this plane is a blast. My 2nd one was the Eflite A-10 ($400) - twin 64mm fan, flaps, retracts, etc. Both are very easy to fly and fun as hell. The Citation is very easy to hand-launch if all you have is a grass field. The A-10 doesn't like grass fields much - front gear not hardy enough...Comment
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I forgot about the citation. Great plane. I like the way the A10 flies, but the gear make it frustrating and could be a problem for a beginner.Comment
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My 2 cents opinion...
The 90mm Viper is (one) of the great beginner plane to get start in EDF Jet. There are other great beginner planes too, but every plane has its pro and cons.
For the 90mm Viper, the pros are:
1) big and easy to see as jet fly fast and u will lose sight real quick which could cause trouble and orientation..
2) big wing with good surface area which mean good slow flight
3) very durable as the wing has two strengthening rods which re-inforce the gears and take lot of landing beating (see video below)
4) reverse throttle with the Bind and Fly which is nice feature
5) combo of big wing and 90mm engine give u a wide flight envelopes..
6) nice LED lights..
Just want to stress that Item 3) is important because as a beginner jet flyer, you will likely land the jet hard few times and if there isn't any rod (i.e. planes with just one piece of wing and no connecting rod) to absorb the back wheels for landings, you will likely destroy the wing very soon..
The cons I see for the 90mm Viper is the price..
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