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  • Aros
    Lead Adminstrator / Warbirdaholic

    • May 2013
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    #261
    I definitely side with the PNP camp and like MotionJB said, I am not a builder, don't have the tools, space and patience for building. I just love to detail, paint and fly. As for the build process PNP is the way to go for me personally. I too however have incredible admiration for hardcore builders, especially scratch. The time, talent and tools is remarkable to me.
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    • RCjetdude
      Higher & higher, straight up we'll climb

      • May 2016
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      #262
      I can build with wood and fiberjglass and one day hope to be able to put together a JHH Mirage done as an F-21A Lion now that I have a place that I could fly such but today's foam planes are hard to beat and only getting better. Getting in the air and staying there with minimal effort is not a bad thing and makes for more/better pilots. Building is not a talent that everyone has wether it be with wood or foam and building with foam does not make one less of a craftsman than someone who builds with wood. They are just different mediums.

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      • RickVB
        Hobby Squawk Student Pilot

        • May 2016
        • 106
        • Novi, MI
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        #263
        Originally posted by RCjetdude
        I can build with wood and fiberjglass and one day hope to be able to put together a JHH Mirage done as an F-21A Lion now that I have a place that I could fly such but today's foam planes are hard to beat and only getting better. Getting in the air and staying there with minimal effort is not a bad thing and makes for more/better pilots. Building is not a talent that everyone has wether it be with wood or foam and building with foam does not make one less of a craftsman than someone who builds with wood. They are just different mediums.
        Agreed, but what people discuss in this forum is not building. It is assembling. Building is using a set of plans and balsa/ply/fiberglass/foam to create an aircraft.

        I am not denigrating foamies - I am using them as many of you are to keep flying scale models during a busy time in my life where I can't both build and fly. I just feel like people are deluding themselves when they call taking 10 parts out of a box and screwing them together "building". Even when I take 20 hours doing this adding details/pilots/custom decor/correcting design defects, I don't call it "building".

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        • RCjetdude
          Higher & higher, straight up we'll climb

          • May 2016
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          #264
          Agreed. Building or assembling either way you are still a craftsman especially the moment you start making those 20 hours of modifications or repairs. That was my point.

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          • Twowingtj
            If It Flys, I'll Try It

            • Dec 2016
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            #265
            There is the matter of economy in terms of both time and money that are certainly a plus with the ARF/PNP platforms. You really can't build one for what a nice quality foamy costs. And most look really nice too. I get a lot of enjoyment flying the ones I have.

            My wife and I both also still build from kits and from scratch. There is an element of fun and accomplishment from building. The main reason that we build though is because some of the planes we want to have/fly are not available as ARFs escpecially in the size we want. We have some with wingspans of 147". When you build, you also know every square inch of the plane and every component that went into it.

            There is a place for both and the ultimate goal of each is to have a plane that you enjoy flying because it looks good and flys well.

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            • RRHandy
              Instructor Pilot

              • Mar 2016
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              #266
              Originally posted by Twowingtj
              There is the matter of economy in terms of both time and money that are certainly a plus with the ARF/PNP platforms. You really can't build one for what a nice quality foamy costs. And most look really nice too. I get a lot of enjoyment flying the ones I have.

              My wife and I both also still build from kits and from scratch. There is an element of fun and accomplishment from building. The main reason that we build though is because some of the planes we want to have/fly are not available as ARFs escpecially in the size we want. We have some with wingspans of 147". When you build, you also know every square inch of the plane and every component that went into it.

              There is a place for both and the ultimate goal of each is to have a plane that you enjoy flying because it looks good and flys well.
              Well said, I too build both ways, and Happy Thanksgiving to all. R
              Last edited by RRHandy; Nov 23, 2017, 07:56 AM. Reason: spelling
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              • Grossman56
                Dangerous Dan *HobbySquawk Moderator*

                • Jun 2014
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                • Cody, Wyoming
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                #267
                After listening to Alpha on the pod cast, I have two planes that I think are coming down the pipes.
                One:
                Alpha kept calling the Liberator the Lancaster, which we all know was Britain's mainstay heavy bomber in WWII. Four motors and seldom modeled.
                The other thought was that since they are the officially licensed Northrup Grumman models, the Grumman Avenger is a logical choice as well.

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                • Alpha
                  Former Motion RC Staff

                  • Feb 2015
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                  #268
                  Is there an "Eating Popcorn" Emoji on this forum? I need two of them, side by side. Thanks.

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                  • Grossman56
                    Dangerous Dan *HobbySquawk Moderator*

                    • Jun 2014
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                    #269

                    Like these??

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                    • Grossman56
                      Dangerous Dan *HobbySquawk Moderator*

                      • Jun 2014
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                      #270
                      As he sits there with a great big grin on his face :)
                      Team Gross!

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                      • Alpha
                        Former Motion RC Staff

                        • Feb 2015
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                        #271
                        Originally posted by Grossman56
                        As he sits there with a great big grin on his face :)
                        More like, "As he sits there with the next two prototypes within arm's reach" :D
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                        • OV10
                          >>>Twins are 2X the Fun<<< (Squawk Moderator)

                          • Sep 2014
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                          • Owego, NY
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                          #272
                          Originally posted by Alpha.MotionRC

                          More like, "As he sits there with the next two prototypes within arm's reach" :D
                          And what hotel name and room # ??? :Devil:
                          Warbird Charlie
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                          • T-CAT
                            Senior Member

                            • Jan 2016
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                            #273
                            Originally posted by Alpha.MotionRC

                            More like, "As he sits there with the next two prototypes within arm's reach" :D
                            LOL Are they Transformers aircraft? That would be something!

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                            • OV10
                              >>>Twins are 2X the Fun<<< (Squawk Moderator)

                              • Sep 2014
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                              #274
                              Originally posted by Alpha.MotionRC

                              More like, "As he sits there with the next two prototypes within arm's reach" :D
                              OK Alpha.......now on to a real question. ;)
                              What are the next two Project names to get us moving mentally forward with our analysis/rationale gambit that you've gotten us hooked into. :Cool:
                              Warbird Charlie
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                              • T-CAT
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                                #275
                                Project Turkey Leg? :)

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                                • Alpha
                                  Former Motion RC Staff

                                  • Feb 2015
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                                  #276
                                  Project Foil is coming in 2018. :)
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                                  • T-CAT
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                                    #277
                                    That must be the delicious left overs from Thanksgiving Project Turkey Leg. LOL:Cool:

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                                    • Alpha
                                      Former Motion RC Staff

                                      • Feb 2015
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                                      #278
                                      Timely thanksgiving jokes aside, Project Foil is actually a real project. :D
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                                      • Wesnc

                                        • Dec 2016
                                        • 52
                                        • Orange NSW Australia
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                                        #279
                                        Please, please, please let project foil be a Lancaster or de Havilland Mosquito ..the link being "window" the thin tin FOIL strips dropped as a radar countermeasure:)
                                        haha.....I'm still trying Alpha:Silly:
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                                        • Boots Whirlygig
                                          Admitting you have a problem, umm, never do that.

                                          • Feb 2017
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                                          • Granville Ohio USA
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                                          #280
                                          Project Foil. My brain hurts like a warehouse with no room to spare. :Confused:

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