Freewing Mirage 2000C V2 “Tiger Meet” 80mm EDF - Official Thread

[Olivier_]

Where are these parts attached?
I don't see anything on the instructions.

[Evan D]

Well done!

[Olivier_]

How did you manage the refueling pole (photos attached) ?
I don't find it practical to glue it permanently because it will interfere with the carrying case.
I'm going to think about a removable system....

there you go, done !
to see if it holds up in flight !

[Evan D]

Nothing additional that I haven't done with another. Even set up identically each plane has it's own personality. And I may sell the ONE I currently have as it is about eight years old.

[Olivier_]

Interesting in more than one way. First what you posted as rates is not what was in my instruction manual and not what is in the current manual at the Motion RC site. Second, as noted throws and expo are usually a personal preference. Third, while it's great that you got a response from "someone", have they ever flown a Mirage or are they going by generally what they have heard or what they use for most aircraft. The Mirage does not fly like most aircraft. What I like will crash your plane as I like super high rates, that's why I didn't answer. I also like a tail heavier set up.

I said I've had 5 and just orderd #6.... Yes, another Mirage. 😉

I'm looking for a first "beginner" setting so as not to crash it upon takeoff, that's my fear. This is my first fighter plane and delta wing plane.
I fly with AS3X and SAFE from Spektrum, which should limit bad surprises.

What additional configuration do you want to do with a 6th Mirage ??

[Evan D]

I glued it in.

[Olivier_]

How did you manage the refueling pole (photos attached) ?
I don't find it practical to glue it permanently because it will interfere with the carrying case.
I'm going to think about a removable system....

[Evan D]

Interesting in more than one way. First what you posted as rates is not what was in my instruction manual and not what is in the current manual at the Motion RC site. Second, as noted throws and expo are usually a personal preference. Third, while it's great that you got a response from "someone", have they ever flown a Mirage or are they going by generally what they have heard or what they use for most aircraft. The Mirage does not fly like most aircraft. What I like will crash your plane as I like super high rates, that's why I didn't answer. I also like a tail heavier set up.

I said I've had 5 and just orderd #6.... Yes, another Mirage. 😉

I also asked the Motion technical department, here is their response :
"I would not use the rates in the book as they're way too high/sensitive. I highly recommend setting your low aileron rates to 25-30% with at least 35% expo. This model has a very sensitive roll rate so you will most likely never need anything higher than low rate. Elevator I recommend 65% for low with the same amount of expo as aileron. "

[Olivier_]

For the Mirage Tiger V2: Do you confirm :

• the values in the attached photo ?
• the center of gravity 520-530 mm from the rear of the plane ?

I also asked the Motion technical department, here is their response :
"I would not use the rates in the book as they're way too high/sensitive. I highly recommend setting your low aileron rates to 25-30% with at least 35% expo. This model has a very sensitive roll rate so you will most likely never need anything higher than low rate. Elevator I recommend 65% for low with the same amount of expo as aileron. "

[Olivier_]

Ordered #6 today. Considering that when these first came out almost 10 years ago the were $299 and are now only $30 more and now have digital metal gear servos, the new 2150 fan and the reversing ESC it's too good of a deal to pass up. 😉

ordered what? another Mirage?

[Evan D]

Ordered #6 today. Considering that when these first came out almost 10 years ago the were $299 and are now only $30 more and now have digital metal gear servos, the new 2150 fan and the reversing ESC it's too good of a deal to pass up. 😉

[SanExup]

Olivier_ Actually, he has flight vids of quite a few planes and includes his preferred setup. I've used his CG and setup on a few planes and have been happy with them. There's a lot of personal preference with rates and expo etc. But I trust his information as a great starting point, usually better than the manuals suggested rates and CG. And I enjoy his insight.

[Olivier_]

Olivier_ Have you watched ArthurRc on YouTube? In French and he does a good series of reviews on the Mirage with his preferred setup etc. His CG and setup work well. The videos are worth watching.

Thanks I'll go look 😉

[kallend]

• Why 5 planes knowing that you can only fly one at a time?

Why not. They aren't rationed.

I have three Eurofighters, three Hawker Hunters, two Lancasters, two F-104s, two F-35s, two Convergences, two Twin Otters, two Cubs and three Spitfires. And about 30 other planes and helis, yet I can still only fly one at a time.

[SanExup]

Olivier_ Have you watched ArthurRc on YouTube? In French and he does a good series of reviews on the Mirage with his preferred setup etc. His CG and setup work well. The videos are worth watching.

[Olivier_]

For the Mirage Tiger V2: Do you confirm :

• the values in the attached photo ?
• the center of gravity 520-530 mm from the rear of the plane ?

[Evan D]

I used Zippy Compact 4000 8S. They haven’t sold them in years. https://hobbyking.com/en_us/zippy-co...lipo-pack.html

I have the 6S EF and like it a lot.

[Olivier_]

Are you using a translator?

I did not say I had 5 at once. I did have three and they were all set up differently, one low power stock outrunner, one high power outrunner and one 8S. Of the 5 I did crash one when I lost radio signal.

No, I have either used 6S packs or 8S when I had the one flying 8S.

The reverse is very effective in some and not very in others. It was mediocre in the Mirage. I really like it in many of my planes so I do not consider it a gadget any more than, say telemetry.

Different fans are going to be more or less efficient in different airframes. Also, some provide good acceleration but not good top end speed. And please remember that many time a motor marked with a specific kV doesn't actually have that kV and there are differences in the fan design. The older 12b metal hub fans were horrible performing, the older one piece plastic 12b fans were okay and the newer one piece plastic 12b fans are great. The 2150 is a great upgrade in my two Gripens (I currently have 3 Gripens) and Avanti.

Yes I use a translator.
Which model of 8S lipo to fit in the compartment of the Mirage ?
What do you think of Eurofighter 8S ?

[Evan D]

Are you using a translator?

I did not say I had 5 at once. I did have three and they were all set up differently, one low power stock outrunner, one high power outrunner and one 8S. Of the 5 I did crash one when I lost radio signal.

No, I have either used 6S packs or 8S when I had the one flying 8S.

The reverse is very effective in some and not very in others. It was mediocre in the Mirage. I really like it in many of my planes so I do not consider it a gadget any more than, say telemetry.

Different fans are going to be more or less efficient in different airframes. Also, some provide good acceleration but not good top end speed. And please remember that many time a motor marked with a specific kV doesn't actually have that kV and there are differences in the fan design. The older 12b metal hub fans were horrible performing, the older one piece plastic 12b fans were okay and the newer one piece plastic 12b fans are great. The 2150 is a great upgrade in my two Gripens (I currently have 3 Gripens) and Avanti.

[Olivier_]

I've had more than one, I think five all together, I had three flying at the same time once. All mine have been/ are the original V1 but I have had multiple EDF units and multiple ESCs and flown on many different batteries including a very hot Jet Fan/ Het 8S set up and the most current FreeWIng 2150 EDF and the most current 100A reversing ESC. One reason why I do think my seniority with this particular aircraft could be of use to others.

Currently I have a simple Hobby King 100A ESC in mine and use a Power Hobby 5000mAh 100C 6S LiPo (mine weigh 545-565g each) to answer your question. You didn't ask what EDF. An older outrunner 12b 1850kV. I did try the new 2150, as I said, but felt the old 1850kV gave me the best all around performance and has been clocked at 144mph last time I took it out. A new V2 Mirage with the new 2150 was clocked at 136 that day.

• Why 5 planes knowing that you can only fly one at a time? Maybe to have several different ESC/EDF/Lipos configurations without having to take everything apart? Or because you crashed several planes ?
• Have you used 2x3S lipos ?
• Is the ESC reverse effective in slowing down the plane or is it a gadget ?
• If you say 1850 is faster than 2150, why did Freewing upgrade to 2150 ?