When will Freewing come out with a F-4 Phantom II?

[OV10]

Your a trip Gman and I can't help but sit here with a big :Poo: eatin grin on my mug when you keep prodding Alpha on the :ov10. (an absolute twin turf :Win:)
Your absolutely spot on that the Nam birds need more :Heart:and the :f4phantom will definitely satisfy the EDF addicts.
PS......nice 'hear us' ear by the way LOL

[Grossman56]

Thanks Beeg, now if that's not a tip of the hat, the only bird to serve in both FDT's

Grossman56

[Beeg]

I agree, this was the work horse for the Airforce and the Navy in our time and there is still nothing that compares to the roar of an F-4!

Have you heard the F-35? Sort of a cross between an F-4 and F-16. Curiously loud...

remember the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds both flew them at one time. As a matter of interest, was there another airplane that appeared in both flight demonstration teams??
Grossman56

You are correct in no other aircraft was used by both teams.

1. Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat: June–August 1946
2. Grumman F8F-1 Bearcat: August 1946 – 1949
3. Grumman F9F-2 Panther: 1949 – June 1950 (first jet); F9F-5 Panther: 1951 - Winter 1954/55
4. Grumman F9F-8 Cougar: Winter 1954/55 - mid-season 1957 (swept-wing)
5. Grumman F11F-1 (F-11) Tiger: mid-season 1957 – 1968 (first supersonic jet)
6. McDonnell Douglas F-4J Phantom II: 1969 – December 1974
7. Douglas A-4F Skyhawk: December 1974 – November 1986
8. McDonnell Douglas F/A-18A/B/C/D Hornet (F/A-18B/D are #7 aircraft): November 1986 – present

Historical demonstration aircraft

Republic F-84G Thunderjet 1953 –1954.
Republic F-84F Thunderstreak 1955, Used from 1955–1956.
North American F-100C Super Sabre in 1956, the Thunderbirds became the world’s first supersonic aerial demonstration team.
The Thunderbirds used the C-model Super Sabre from 1956– 1963.
Republic F-105B Thunderchief Only six shows were flown in 1964 using the F-105 before safety concerns resulted in the team's adoption of the F-100D.
North American F-100D Super Sabre The D-model Super Sabres were used from 1964–1968.
McDonnell F-4E Phantom II The 1969 conversion to the F-4 was the most extensive in the team’s history. Among other modifications, paints that had worked on the F-100 appeared blotchy on the F-4 because of multicolored alloys used to resist heat and friction at Mach 2 speeds. A polyurethane paint base was developed to resolve the problem. The white paint base remains a part of today’s Thunderbird aircraft. A popular myth is, given the exhaust emissions of the F-4's engines, the vertical stabilizer of the No. 4 slot aircraft was painted flat black.^{[citation needed]} However, this is false; the vertical stabilizer of the No. 4 slot aircraft was allowed to be blackened by jet exhaust starting in 1960.^{[citation needed]} Phantoms were used from 1969 to 1973.
Northrop T-38 Talon The fuel crisis of the early 1970s resulted in the selection of the Northrop T-38A Talon, a supersonic trainer. Five T-38s used the same amount of fuel needed for one F-4 Phantom, and fewer people and equipment were required to maintain the aircraft. Although it met the criteria of demonstrating the capabilities of a prominent Air Force aircraft, the Talon failed to fulfill the Thunderbird tradition of flying front-line jet fighters.The team flew the Talon from 1974 –1981.
General Dynamics F-16

[Grossman56]

you what we're saying!

[Grossman56]

I agree, this was the work horse for the Airforce and the Navy in our time and there is still nothing that compares to the roar of an F-4! remember the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds both flew them at one time. As a matter of interest, was there another airplane that appeared in both flight demonstration teams??
Now, with the coming of the OV-10 (Which we know that Alpha is working on in his secret underground bunker) and the F4, we're starting a tip of the hat to the veterans of Vietnam and the 70's. HOORAAH to the VETS!

Grossman56

[dahawk]

Keep nagging them Matt ! We're counting on you

[starcop]

Howdy Pilots, Yes, I'm placing my vote for an F4! This is one of my favorite jets of all time. As I'm sure, I'm not the only guy to like this one. I've often wondered why free-wing, or someone hasn't done a nice large EDF F4. I know, the LX model was a hit when it came out. Being that it was the only available option, at the time. The bummer was; watching it lumber around in the air. It was terrible to see such a nice jet, with No Power at all. I love the story, of the Owners of Motion RC, when they flew one. Tom was telling Mark, "come on, give it full throttle! Mark was trying to be polite; to the Chinese persons there. By not saying; "this things a dog! He was whispering, "It's at full throttle"??? It's better to hear them tell it. But, anyway, a good powered F4 would be a super addition to Motion RC's already growing line up of fantastic aircraft!!! Thank you, to all who, support Motion RC and, your brothers in arms. PEACE out, Matt Maryan service rep.

[F106DeltaDart]

Add the LE slats and I would be giddy!

That would be only on an E model and forward. LE flaps on C/D/J would be fantastic! I don't know if its just me, but I love the look of the earlier Phantoms so much better than the later long nosed models.

[Aros]

Add the LE slats and I would be giddy!

[dahawk]

Yep,
The interest in the FlyFly was that it uses a single 90. Take out all the bad and add-in all the good. Eg better wing , gear doors, no cheater, etc.

[crxmanpat]

Yeah, and we want something that looks and flies good, and only takes about 1.5 hours to assemble with no mods required. We know Freewing can do this!

[F106DeltaDart]

I've seriously looked at the Flyfly version before, and it looks like a good flier, but it has a few things I really didn't like. One of the main things that I don't like is that the wing is significantly oversized. It does make it more floaty, but shouldn't be necessary. The tails pivot on-axis for each stab, which just looks weird for an F-4, and there are a lot of failure reports of that pivot on RCG. Then, you have to re-fit for retracts, and find gear and struts that don't look ridiculous on it. It has a cheater in the nose gear bay, which is ridiculous on a model that has as much intake area as an F-4, and discourages addition of proper gear doors. And, it is just an old model. Parts would be next to impossible to find should anything go wrong.

[dahawk]

Seen the 90mm FlyFly hobby version? Pretty nice form factor.

Acquire one and reverse engineer ? Ha
Take out all the bad and add-in all the good ?

Could be on the boat in 6 months- Double Ha

http://www.gravesrc.com/glo662707-flyfly-hobby-f-4-phantom-gray-epo-kit-w-92mm-fan-motor-fixed-gear.html

[F106DeltaDart]

Hey Mike, as soon as we get done convincing Freewing that they need to do this F-4, we need to start hammering on them for a 90mm Super Scale F-106. ;)

Yes Please!!!!!! :):)

[crxmanpat]

Hey Mike, as soon as we get done convincing Freewing that they need to do this F-4, we need to start hammering on them for a 90mm Super Scale F-106. ;)

[F106DeltaDart]

:) I definitely agree that a single 90 is the way to go! Full gear doors are a must, rear nose door could be done like the F-5, and main inner doors done similarly to the Bearcat, and a landing light on the front nose door. Full flying tails as well. And of course, all of the 90 Super scale models have 1 gadget.. Could be sweet multi-part LE flaps (see above photo), LED afterburners, or the speed brakes behind the wheel wells. For the type, an F-4C or D would be great, especially with a removable chin pod on the radome, which would make it easy to convert to a Navy J version.

[OV10]

You hear that boys? It's a sign! A sign I tell you! :)

LMFAO :Don't-tell-Anyone: :Not-Talking:

[Aros]

Aros, that exact image you used for the emojii has actually been my screensaver in year's past.

You hear that boys? It's a sign! A sign I tell you! :)

[DCORSAIR]

A few photos to keep the thread alive..

Oh, that would be a dream come true if FW did produce one like that. I had two Yellow Aircraft F-4 Phantoms, one was done up in the USS Constellation scheme (orange and gray) and one was just like the picture (camo), OS .91 DF motor turning 24,000 rpm. Both flew awesome, that was back in 2003 or so, wish I still had the airframes, would have made a nice EDF jet now.

Come on Freewing, doesn't have to be fancy, camo will do, single 90mm, flaps, flying stabs, and a must have, the offset drag link on the nose retract and of course the dual tires.....:Cool:

[Alpha]

Aros, that exact image you used for the emojii has actually been my screensaver in year's past.