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  • FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

    [s]Quick little post.[/s] As it turns out a little longer write up of my first ever RC flying experience

    A few of you have helped me in my previous post and those of you that have seen it know that my first RC aircraft was a huge early Christmas present and that it was also a huge frickin' FMS warbird. I haven't touched anything R/C since I was a kid, so in reading up on R/C flying and watching as many youtube videos that I coud I was really hoping I wasn't so far over my head that I was in trouble.

    Airplane was built easily I took my time and did it at work over the course of several hours during my down time, once I trouble shot the retract issue (see my other thread) I spent the last few days in an empty parking lot just taxing around, slow then as fast as I felt I could w/o taking off to get the handle of it on the ground.

    Well today came and I felt good enough (brave would be a better word) to try my luck at this flying thing. I've never flown anything R/C before but having several friends that are pilots, I've flown real AC before and spent god knows how many hours flying flight sims so I understand the theory of flight an how control surfaces act etc, which I think though there is obviously a difference helped me out. Packed up the plane and took my gf and sister to a park in my town which has a large mixed use field (975 feet in length and about 400 wide from tree line to tree line) waited until just before sunset when the park has hardly anyone there (also couple that with 40 degree temps) winds were calm with gusts to 10 from the north west. Initially my plan was to land and take off from one of the baseball diamonds, given recent weather and temperatures the infield dirt was rather soft which concerned me. Completed my range test w/o a hitch and was able to take off w/o any problem, first takeoff got a little squirmy with the rudder. Now due to the fact that I am waiting on wires for the retracts I flew all my flight with the gear down. She felt good in the air, CG is forward of where it is noted on the manual but in reading online that seems to be the norm. Left the throttle about 3/4 just enough where I had a positive rate of climb and was not sinking is where I left it, certainly not out to set speed records any time soon. Did some big winding turns over the field, she covered the distance fairly quickly but turns felt pretty natural, didn't use much rudder while airborne mainly slight movements of aileron and elevator didn't seem to slip in the turns at all. When I felt comfortable moving it around in the air I dropped the flaps and flew around with that for a minute or two at altitude to see how the sink rate and handling changed. First landing looked pretty good but my concerns about the soft infield rang true and she sank and flipped on landing, thankfully no damage. My 2nd flight I went to the grass, but in reading about the landing gear covers and how they are so close to the ground I decided to remove them for my subsequent flights. My second take off was much more smooth and controlled, flight no issue. On landing I felt that I was really close to a lacrosse net on the field instead of applying smooth power and going around I tried to stick with and at the last minute panicked and cartwheeled onto the ground, this time I slightly bent a wing tip and the tip of the vertical stab. Third landing was the best and got it down in relatively good order, though I am going to continue to fly and need to work on anticipating the sink rate and throttle input/torque on landing.  

    All in all I LOVED it. I think it wen't really well and I am w/o a doubt hooked, I've learned from my mistakes today and I'm going to go back early in the morning tomorrow and fly before the park gets busy and just work on take offs and landings in the middle of the field where it is the firmest and driest. What I've learned so far is that slow and steady wins the race, finesse of the controls making slow, small movements and staying several feet ahead of the aircraft and anticipating movements rather than reacting to something seems key.

    I do have a question though, I am flying with a Spektrum DX6i transmitter and using Admiral 3000mAh 4S 14.8V 35C, I set the timer on my controller to 6 minutes to be safe, where I am flying at only 3/4 power at max can I get more than 6 min per battery? I'd certainly like to keep a safe buffer on time, also temps as I stated before are 30s/40s not sure if that has any serious effect on bat life.

    First ever R/C take off and flight: http://youtu.be/df-9j_2Y2pE

    Second Take off: http://youtu.be/LJta5RtQk0w

    Landing: http://youtu.be/f_a1ocky_fU

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    RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

    Congratulations !!! Doing your Sim and all the research paid off very well for you .
    As far as the temp and the batteries I have heard of pilots keeping them in a warm container . But some of these guys are in colder   climates compared to what I have here in SC . I have flown in the temps you had with no problems . I suggest you get a battery tester that will tell you what is left in the battery. They are fairly inexpensive and really lets you know what kind of times you can fly on your battery .  
    Not sure what your using for a charger but you need one that will also balance the cells to extend the life time of your batteries . When researching chargers keep in mind that most require a power supply too .
    Watched your videos and way to go !!! I will tell you to be very careful on low slow turns . Some planes will do what they call a tip stall . It is really when your turning and loosing wind under the wings the angle and lack of speed will just drop it to the ground . Just be aware on low slow approaches . Try to come in on your landings and have already made your turns



    Bryan
    But Crashing is Landing

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    • #3
      RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

      Great job!!!

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      • #4
        RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

        Congrats on your successful maiden and return from your flying hiatus !!!!
        I am SOOO jealous, got a foot of snow outside my window here in upstate NY.
        Your second takeoff was very nice and scale looking. You remind me of a student I had this past fall who had a comprehension level that elevated his skill level for flying above the norm. I predict you will be moving ahead of the normal learning curve too.
        Totally concur with everything Hippie had to suggest and especially with regard to a battery tester. With that device you can take the guess work out of knowing the health of your batts and logically determining safe flight times for different capacities. And since your GF bought ya an awesome early present which was above beginner level, invest in a GOOD charger that isn't made for beginners since you are now using power in the 4S source.
        Warbirds rock !!
        Warbird Charlie
        HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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        • #5
          RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

          Thanks fellahs, I'd be lying if I didn't tell you that I had some slight butterflies when I made that first take off roll! Especially with my girlfriend and sister there and of course there was a group of kids that were watching...no stress right!

          Hippie, appreciate the heads up with the low turns, I was thinking the whole time should something go south there is no room to recover, I think tomorrow when I go back out I'll set myself up in the middle of the field as opposed to one end, should I not like the approach I can gain altitude before coming back in on final as opposed to being jammed up in the end of the field with no room to maneuver. Monday on a school day with temps in the 30's I should have the place to myself!

          OV10 appreciate it also! Also whats the general concensu on lipo batteries I read a few things but not sure what page to believe with LiPo batteries should I be balancing or discharging before each charge? I have a charger that does both.

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          • #6
            RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

            Lipos are not like nicads which will develop a memory voltage set level if not completely discharged on a regular basis.
            Lipos do not need to be discharged completely and should not be. The only reason to discharge a lipo is to set them at storage state level.
            A lipo can be fast charged but don't get in a habit of doing that all the time. They will give better overall performance if they are balance charged on a regular basis.
            Good luck
            Warbird Charlie
            HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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            • #7
              RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

              Lmao butterflies mean your having fun ! Lots of us still get them . 
              As far as your batteries if you run a 
              Lipo down too far it will kill it . After that you may or may not be able to bring it back up . If you are able to get it back most cases it's not flight reliable anymore. 
              I never run mine down below 14% . That's the reason for a tester , it tells you what is left in a battery . Every time I fly , I check the amount left in it . It will help you determine your flight times . Ex. If you fly 4:30 and check your battery , it may show 30% left in it . Then I would go in thirty second incriminates til I reach about 15% left in battery . 
              Talking about balancing most chargers have on the side next to the red n black leads , a few small blocks of different sizes and have pins in them . The white connector on your battery plugs into the one that's same size . The size variance is for different cell counts . This is where the balancing come from . Your charger takes care of it . 

              Bryan 
              But Crashing is Landing

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              • #8
                RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                Bryan & OV10 thanks! I will get a tester for sure then, and a few more batteries to make my trips out to the park more worth the time!

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                • #9
                  RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                  Greetings,

                  Not sure what I can add to the already great comments on your flight success and maiden other than my hearty CONGRATULATIONS!!

                  Welcome to the fold!!!

                  Still plenty of shopping time left to request plane #2!!!!
                  (for constructive notes on how to effectively manipulate spouses, see posts elsewhere :angel: ) 

                  Seriously, well done!!

                  Clear Skies

                  Bill L.
                  in Okla.

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                  • #10
                    RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                    Beautiful day out for flying today, only wish I had more than two batteries right now.

                    Went up flew a lap or two and would come back in just to practice landing, certainly a learning curve finding where the throttle drop enough thrust out and she drops, few landings harder than I would have like, but it stayed upright on the gear today with no problem! But took the advice of getting lined up much farther out and it certainly is alot easier and less stress!

                    My best landing thus far


                    Few laps bit hard on the landing.

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                    • #11
                      RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                      Very nice! Congratulations on your flying. Watching the video, it looks like you have been at it for a while.

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                      • #12
                        RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                        Greetings SOB,

                        AWESOME!!!

                        Video #1, dude, you greased that landing!!!! Very Nice!!!

                        Keep up the great work and you'll be zipping by with 90mm Jets in no time!!!!
                        But, don't rush it.

                        Keep us posted on your progress!
                        I'm glad to see we can post videos now right in the posts.

                        Clear Skies

                        Bill L.
                        in Okla.

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                        • #13
                          RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                          SOB
                          Dude..as Rocketeer said, you greased it in vid#1. I had made a prediction in my first post to ya and I'll say it again - you are ahead of the curve. NICE
                          Warbird Charlie
                          HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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                          • #14
                            RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                            Thank's gent's, was gorgeous today and had a blast gotta get more batteries I would have stayed out for hours today! We might get a few showers this evening rolling through, depending on how the field is tomorrow a buddy of mine is going to come out with his drone and GoPro see if we can't come up with some cool video, embedding it into the threads is definitely a convenient option!

                            Keep up the great work and you'll be zipping by with 90mm Jets in no time!!!!
                            Haha perhaps, but I gotta tell ya I'm a warbirds buff in real life and there's at-least 3 other ones that I want, and that's from only looking at FMS birds alone! Nothing like the sound of props chopping through the air.

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                            • #15
                              RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                              Greetings SOB,

                              You have chosen wisely!!!


                              Bill L.
                              in OKla.

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                              • #16
                                RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                                Welp.  :dodgy:



                                You learn something new every day! Today I learned two important things, 1: Before connecting the battery on the aircraft ensure that the throttle is off. 2: When connecting battery, stand over the aircraft from behind, not squatting or kneeling in-front of it!


                                Otherwise the end result is:
                                Leg its what props eat for dinner!

                                In all seriousness I'm glad that it wasn't my fingers in there or otherwise, here's what happened turned on my controller, did not notice that my throttle was all the way forward, plugged in the battery and it started beeping which I didn't pick up on was the ESC telling me that my throttle stick wasn't zero (novice mistake) the prop was not turning at this point. I turned off the controller and turned it back on and at that point she gunned it and tried to fly through me. Unfortunately when it hit me the torque has to go somewhere and it took out that force on the motor mount shearing off two screws, snapped two prop blades and the cooling fins on the FW 190 spinner assembly tore up the plastic cowling. I've always been one of those guys who learns the best from making mistakes. So its needless to say that I'll pay way more attention at start up and not let this every happen again.

                                I'm pretty miffed at myself for something so stupid, 2 good days of flying for the first time ever only to mess up by missing where the control stick was and messing up the plane on the ground. That said, I am glad however that it was not total destruction of the airplane and is a relatively cheap and what appears to be an easy fix.

                                I do have a question for anyone that owns the FMS birds, the piece of plastic that the metal motor mount screws into, though intact it has some play in it. It appears there may have been some glue residue on it, looking like it was glued to the foam between it and the motor? Am I correct in assuming that this piece should not have movement in it?

                                Time to go ahead and order up the replacement parts.

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                                • #17
                                  RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                                  OUCH !!! Very hard lesson . Never turn radio off . First on n last off 




                                  Bryan 
                                  But Crashing is Landing

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                                  • #18
                                    RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                                    Originally posted by SOB8604
                                    Thank's gent's, was gorgeous today and had a blast gotta get more batteries I would have stayed out for hours today! We might get a few  showers this evening rolling through, depending on how the field is tomorrow a buddy of mine is going to come out with his drone and GoPro see if we can't come up with some cool video, embedding it into the threads is definitely a convenient option!


                                    Keep up the great work and you'll be zipping by with 90mm Jets in no time!!!!
                                    Haha perhaps, but I gotta tell ya I'm a warbirds buff in real life and there's at-least 3 other ones that I want, and that's from only looking at FMS birds alone! Nothing like the sound of props chopping through the air.
                                    Yep, you are definitely hooked now! The addiction only gets worse since you keep finding other war birds or other planes that you just really want to try out! Ask me how I know.... :D

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                                    • #19
                                      RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                                      Yup no question about being hooked. Hoping to get the parts in to fix my stupidity before we have snow on the ground so I can do some more flying!

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                                      • #20
                                        RE: FMS FW 190 Maiden (first ever RC flight!)

                                        Wow!
                                        I just have to, firstly, congratulate you on what we would all call a remarkable acheivment!  Not very many people can strap on a 1400mm Warbird and fly RC the first time!!
                                        Simply amazing!!
                                        I have to agree that your landings are very nice, all things considered.  Now, you've come this far, the trick is to stay ahead of your plane, stick to your pattern flying and be proactive instead of reactive, in other words make it do what you want it to rather than react to what its doing.

                                        You are way ahead of the curve my friend, keep going!!!

                                        Grossman56

                                        PS, I think I'd keep the G/F
                                        [hr]
                                        I'd say you are right about gluing that part back on.  Had a similar thing with my Waco.  Epoxy/resin or good old Gorrilla Glue will do.

                                        Grossman56
                                        Team Gross!

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