Fpv plan for my carbon z T28.

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  • rifleman_btx
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    • Dec 2016
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    #1

    Fpv plan for my carbon z T28.

    I'm planning to stick a main camera in the front cockpit with pan and tilt osd and the whole 9. I'm also thinking of utilising a second camera with tx and on it's own receiver for its own pan and tilt for a ride along unit. Just seems like alot or radio waves in the plane. I know there's alot of area, so I think it can be done fairly simply. I was just thinking how cool it would be for the rider to have some control over what they see as well.
  • OV10
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    #2
    Originally posted by rifleman_btx
    I'm planning to stick a main camera in the front cockpit with pan and tilt osd and the whole 9. I'm also thinking of utilising a second camera with tx and on it's own receiver for its own pan and tilt for a ride along unit. Just seems like alot or radio waves in the plane. I know there's alot of area, so I think it can be done fairly simply. I was just thinking how cool it would be for the rider to have some control over what they see as well.
    No fear R.........The spread spectrum RF of the 2.4 radios has plenty enough band separation/isolation.
    The chances of you having an issue might occur if your were involved in a mass warbird gaggle whereas 80+ planes at once. Spektrum officially rates their DSM @ 79 channels.
    Flitetest actually achieved a record mass launch of 176 planes in 2106.
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    • rifleman_btx
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      #3
      Indeed, I can't wait to take my kids and other friends up for a ride in her. It seems like the perfect candidate for this venture. :) give them the feel of really bring in the back seat while I fly.

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      • wricksta
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        • Jan 2018
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        #4
        Originally posted by OV10

        No fear R.........The spread spectrum RF of the 2.4 radios has plenty enough band separation/isolation.
        The chances of you having an issue might occur if your were involved in a mass warbird gaggle whereas 80+ planes at once. Spektrum officially rates their DSM @ 79 channels.
        Flitetest actually achieved a record mass launch of 176 planes in 2106.
        You are talking about spektrum tx/rx, which operates on 2.4ghz. Most FPV equipment operate on 5.8ghz, and some of these bands/channels step on each other. My buddies(6 of us) and I have had it happen to us as we fly a variety of race quads and planes FPV.

        I ended up contacting my buddy with runs the local mutiGP drone races and he gave me this solution:
        There are sets of channels recommended to use with up to 6 quads at once for racing. As new bands came out these sets kept changing. The new standard we've been using at our events is called IMD6C. It consists of R1, R2, F2, F4, R7, R8. This should help. For 6 months we've been using it and haven't had a single video issue at our races. All RHCP is fine too.

        So we assigned each of us a channel for our vtx cards and goggles and haven't had a problem yet. If you are planning on running two separate vtx cards on one plane, you should be good as long as they are on any of the different bands/channels listed.

        Good luck, can't wait to see your setup. That is a lot of gear and batteries you are adding to your plane!


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        • fhhuber
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          • Aug 2015
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          #5
          Actually, the video downlink systems operate on an assortment of frequencies.

          I have one that works on 2.4 ghz that was OK to use on 72 mhz aircraft. I don't dare turn it on at the local flying field now because it would take out every 2.4 ghz airplane in flight.
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          • rifleman_btx
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            #6
            Indeed, and yes I have that as the plan, what I may do is run those systems on two 1500mah 3s packs that I will just mount with one of the many unused battery straps in the battery bay. That way each system has it's own power source and the forward camera I will run a osd for the pilot. Of course the main will be run off my horus, and the rear if I can get the problems figured out with my dx8, I will use it for that. At least it can still be Of use in some capacity. The good thing is for the time being I'm the only one flying fpv at my field currently. So I can use any of the combinations listed. Thanks for the advice, I will definitely make use of it while I put this together :)

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            • wricksta
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              • Jan 2018
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              #7
              Originally posted by fhhuber
              Actually, the video downlink systems operate on an assortment of frequencies.

              I have one that works on 2.4 ghz that was OK to use on 72 mhz aircraft. I don't dare turn it on at the local flying field now because it would take out every 2.4 ghz airplane in flight.
              Originally posted by wricksta

              You are talking about spektrum tx/rx, which operates on 2.4ghz. Most FPV equipment operate on 5.8ghz, and some of these bands/channels step on each other. My buddies(6 of us) and I have had it happen to us as we fly a variety of race quads and planes FPV.
              While there are 1.2ghz and 2.4ghz long range equipment, 5.8ghz is the most widely used choice. And like you said, with most controllers nowadays using 2.4ghz, the use of a 2.4ghz vtx/rx video equipment is pretty much obsolete.


              Rifleman - If you are going to run 2 separate pan & tilt cameras, you would need another controller/receiver/battery setup for the passenger correct? This sounds like a pretty cool setup, pls tell me you are going to start a thread on the build. Subscribing!

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              • rifleman_btx
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                #8
                Yes I will, when I get all the parts and stuff together the build will absolutely live here!

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                • rifleman_btx
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                  #9
                  I have the fpv equipment now, and soon as i get the new canopy, i will get rolling on this thread.

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                  • rifleman_btx
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                    #10
                    Guess what, my canopies finally shipped after I ordered them September 26 2018. So should be here on the 15, then it's on to the project. Finally...

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                    • OV10
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by rifleman_btx
                      Guess what, my canopies finally shipped after I ordered them September 26 2018. So should be here on the 15, then it's on to the project. Finally...
                      Dizzy face isn't the expression I woulda used
                      15 months is just a totally unacceptable level of customer service but then again HH didn't reissue it until 3 months ago and that is still a lengthy wait time
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                      • rifleman_btx
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                        #12
                        Exactly

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                        • rifleman_btx
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                          #13
                          And so it begins. Got the parts together and forward pan and tilt unit built. Building the back unit tomorrow, then work on mounting.

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                          • Alpha
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                            • Feb 2015
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                            #14
                            Dual pan and tilt will look great, rifleman_btx! Might I also suggest checking the FoV before finalizing the P/T mounts, just in case you want to add a lateral tiller to move the "head" closer to the outer edge of the cockpit wall.

                            I'm eager to see your progress on this project!
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                            • rifleman_btx
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                              #15
                              Iindeed that's what I am working on today. I have the rear one positioned about where o want it I'm going to raise the front about 1/4 to 1/2 inch to clear the dash alittle more, and those will be pretty much how I want to go with it. So far it's going fairly easy.

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                              • rifleman_btx
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                                #16
                                Should I cut the glass out or leave it. I am leaning toward cutting.

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                                • rifleman_btx
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                                  #17
                                  Got the self contained rear system complete. Radio is installed ready to go.

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                                  • rifleman_btx
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                                    #18
                                    First small level power on test with everything powered on went perfectly. So far no interference from the radios, and or fpv systems. Views look good so far. I want to include the canopy glass, but wondering how good of an idea that really is.

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                                    • rifleman_btx
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                                      #19
                                      Finally got it in the air for the first field test. Performed flawlessly and Jereld loved flying with me in the rear seat. So happy it worked.
                                       

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                                      • rifleman_btx
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                                        #20
                                        I've taken so far 4 people "up" in the back seat of the T28, all of them loved it. So I call this a successful mission!

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