Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Yeah I feel the fact we have different time periods but same hardware that it may be a flaw of the gyro (or our programming but then we both have the same issue????) I just dont know. I want the new m-2-m servo cable for remote gain control to test with that and if I do get a replacement gyro I will test to see what it does. But I am honestly thinking it will do the same. As I said I was looking for some advice from Motion which they have been good about.

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Davy
Ok scratch the replacement. It was a mess up by support. No further along as one of their people, Brad, is supposed to have been helping me with this but I have had zero contact from support or Brad apart from the "were shipping" email.
At least I got that from Motion - Hobby eagle support SUCKS (about on par with their website and instructions). 3 days and they dont even have the decency to respond. I did however find a post elsewhere saying that the never bothered to test the A3 with any of the Turnigy / Taranis style of controllers.

[Davy101]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Ok, sigh. I would have expected better from both business. About 4 months ago I noticed one of m old A3 pro-se gyros was not allowing my rudder to turn to the right. I contacted Motion and since it was more than 30 days old they said they could do nothing. Aros, one of their employees, suggested I contact Hobby Eagle directly and see if he would send a new gyro. The guy responded in about a week and asked which US dealer I had bought it from and that he would send a replacement. Sure enough, in about 10 days I got a new model A3-L from MRC. Perhaps you should wait a bit longer for a response from HE. It wouldn't hurt to contact them again using their direct email as well as the online Contact link.

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Davy,

Motion is talking to me, giving the benefit of the doubt but I was sent the video on setting up the gyro :dodgy: I am looking it over to see if I missed something but I almost feel it was not read or this post has not been read (I sent a direct link to this discussion).

I actually emailed the proper email address of Hobby Eagle. Support@hobbyeagle.com so I will wait and give it time there.

When I can I want to try messing with programming (I was wondering about setting a switch to change input values when I switch on off - Possibly SF ( I think that's the left 2 pole) so that on Gyro the AER are set to 40 and off gyro they are set to 100. Frustrating - should not have to do that though. I had an Orange receiver/gyro in this thing that gave gyro as it should but I liked the auto recover and reviews of this one and wanted telemetry of X8R to boot. We will see.

[Pheonix]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

After reading this thread, I wish I could help here.  I only use Futaba radio or Spectrum radios.  The A3L works well with Futaba and the Eagle Tree is a better fit with Spectrum radios.  I set the A3L up this way:  The mode is set to a 3-position switch (SG) with 1 = normal, 2 = off, and 3 = 3D.  These are the default setting for the A3L.  I use channel 8 for the gain and assign it to a slider (Right to be consistent).  This all done using the function setting on the Futaba radio. I use the 3D mode to test surface function as this gives you clarity on movement, in other words, the surface movement is pronounced.  I use the servo function to test the gain, starting from 0 = no gain to + or - 100 to see the affects.  I have the A3 6 axis gyro but have not set it up other than downloading the updated software.  From what I can tell, this one is similar to the Eagle Tree in that one can use a PC to assign functions.  I plan on using this one in the T45 when it arrives.  RC group has some good articles on this gyro.  I hope this helps a bit.  Here is a good discussion on this gyro:
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2013634

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Phoenix thanks, I am going to set up the remote master myself and mess with it - Motion had the same issue Spectrum, hitek or futaba controllers (I suggested motion buy them an OpenTX controller to mess with *LOL*). Im beginning to wonder if I wanted the A3 Super II as this may be purely the A3 (30 bucks version). I know Daviy (correct me if wrong) indicated this was not an issue with the A3L.

One question came up with my discussion with Motion support - Davy do the stick inputs have the 50% dead area while flying it with Gyro on? Or has this been testing on the ground only? Brad in support said the as with the DR and expo not looking to work on ground but work fine in air it may be the same with the stick movement (I havent put it in the air yet due to this).

If it does this in the air Davy, I was thinking we can configure a switch to change the input values although this means flipping 2 switches instead of one when changing mode. (I want to test more and find the easiest method - inputs or mixes).

Steve

[Davy101]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

I don't have my A3-L installed yet so I can't comment yet, but when I get a chance I could mock up something and see how it does.

My observations are that the A3 definitely does the same exaggerated movement in the air as on the ground. Both my 1400mm Mustang and Trojan (different A3s) are VERY snappy on hi-rates with gyro normal mode on.

Let's not forgot that the wing leveling doesn't seem to work either. There is another thread starting about that on Hobby Squawk!

[Pheonix]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

I have an A3 Supper and now I am beginning to wonder if I want to use it on the T45. I think I will go with the Eagle Tree. Perhaps they will work out the issues with a software upgrade.

[Davy101]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

I don't want to give the product a bad name, because the flight stabilization in my war birds is top notch. I thought it was interesting though that in Pilot Ryan's video showing off the wing leveling he only tried it once where the gyro had to really right the plane and in that instance it plummeted 100 feet, seemingly, in order to level itself. His second test was the plane simply going from nose up at near stall, to mushing over to level. My Horizon Hobby SAFE receiver levels the plane immediately and precisely.

[Pheonix]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Which one do you use in your war birds?

[Davy101]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

I have two new style A3 gyros in 1400mm FMS planes and two generation 1 A3 gyros (no gains or modes) in smaller planes. I have 2 new style A3-L gyros in the box I haven't touched yet.

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Phoenix - I would say try it. The controller issue seems to be specific to the Taranis and X8r Receiver - sorta sucks that no one (read Hobby Eagle) bothered to test it with Open TX controllers and just tried it with Spektrum / futaba systems. A firmware upgrade may help you out with the auto level issue but that is only the super and super II mnodels. For us poor mugs it is simply what we have is what we have. Considering seeing if Motion will do a RMA for the higher model or just refund and go for the guardian.

[Pheonix]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Thanks. The Guardian has the advantage of using your PC to program the gyro the way you want it.  It is easy to setup.  Look around for the best price.

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

Pheonix - I am probably going to keep this for now and if I want another buy another. Took 30 mins to just sit down with the controller and program it and I think I have the stick issue licked.

Hey Davy101 - What I did to resolve the throw is is the following - For Gyro on and auto balance in the Inputs screen I set two values for Ail, Ele and Rud. I used switch SE for changing mode between Gyro on --> off --> auto bal

In the input screen

Ail set to 100 switch set to SE-
Ail set to 40 and switch set to !SE-

Same for Elev and Rud

Now when I switch between modes it has full stick throw as expected (changes mode and value of input). Next up connect servo cable to remote gain and configure then wait for weather to test everything (including aut bal). Note With gain at 50 I noticed that with throttle on (we were holding plane) and switching to auto bal the servos would "wave". The auto balance mode issue could be gain related.

Steve

[stevepmcg]

RE: Hobby Eagle A3 6 Axis Airplane Gyro w/ Auto Balance & FrSky x8R

ok maybe I am going crazy.

I added the remote master gain and it works great ( The wave is related to the gain level. The higher I set it the more the wave) so I set to what I think will be a good level. Now I get to check and see if it works in the air (not sure when about to leave this weekend for vacation and with a 4yr old its difficult to get the time PLUS I have a new Hobbyzone Corsair with safe to maiden *LOL*

For the controller dead space I was switching between options and noticed I was not getting the same amount of play for off and for on. After messing with the input values above I was able to rest on the following values for the !SE- value.
Ail 72
Ele 90
rud 67

I think I am going to have to test this each time I power this on (hopefully next time to fly). I am also wondering if the Gyro is similar to the safe options that you need to give it a little throttle for it to kick in properly. I powered both on and off and the values are still correct. I however am not going to trust it and will have to put it into my flight check for this beast. I think what it also says is the for you Davy101 - you are going to have to set the switch, pick a mid value then just watch and find the values where it seems to go full throw at end of stick.

Hope this helps.

Steve

[Mondary]

Greetings All,

Has the controller dead space issue been resolved when using a A3/A3-L with an X8R receiver? This is the only detailed discussion I can find on this topic.

I can confirm that the dead space issue is also seen using the A3-L with the Taranis/X8R receiver.

Nice work around Steve, did that configuration work for you? I'm skeptical because after applying your work around my servo movements do not behave the same between normal gyro mode & off. The dead space is gone, and the throws are equal between gyro modes. Unfortunately when the gyro is in normal mode the servos are twitchy when I move the transmitter sticks. The movement is not smooth (this is with the plane completely still).

I'm currently using a A3-L with a D8R - XP and it works seamlessly between gyro modes (Servo movement, throws, etc react the same). So it definitely seems to be an issue specific to the X8R receiver.

Has anyone found a gyro that does work with the X8R? Really want to migrate to smart port if possible.


Thanks!

[stevepmcg]

Mondary - honestly I haven't tried it and I still need to. Messed with a couple of other planes and let life interrupt flying for a while.

[DonRhone]

I was recently viewing the Hobby Eagle web site and they show a new Eagle A3 Super 3 6-Axis Plane Gyro Complete Set.

http://www.hobbyeagle.com/gyros/a3super3.php

I checked the Motion RC site and it is not showing as being for sale, I checked a couple of other sites and they do not show it either.

So I would assume it is something quite new. There is a manual on the HobbyEagle page but unfortunately it is not in English.

The control unit appears to be different viewing the picture post on the Eagle Site, I wonder if the A3 Super 2 controller will be compatible with the new A3 Super 3 unit.

When will Motion RC be receiving this unit for sale?

[LasVegasA10]

Purchased this from Motion. Finding No information and nothing in the box to setup Spectrum receivers! Have done many different setup connections and Nothing Works. NO SUPPORT or Replies from HobbyEagle. They Suck! using Spectrum DX18 with either AR6600T or AR9020. NOTHI G WORKS.

[Richrfl]

Gents, does anyone knows if there is a converter to bring the A3 Data Port data into the X8R SPort?