Hobby Eagle A3 Super 3 setup questions

[RonK99]

Hello:
I am installing some A3 Super 3 gyros in my planes and just have started the first install.
I updated the firmware for the gyro itself and installed the software for my laptop updated as well

Here is what happened during the installation:
I hooked up all the wires as per the diagram and I am using the separate 2 Ail, 1 ELV,1RUDD setting which is set in the gyro with the software.

Funny thing at first my Right Ail (Ail2) would not work and it did before as I flew this plane all last year before the gyro install now.
I managed to set the "Mode" to a switch and that works perfectly...
However my RIGHT Ail didn't work for a while...I went to my ch assignment area of my SpektrumDX9 and that is/was set correctly for the second ail or of course it wouldn't have flown last year....

I don't know what I did (sry just learning) BUT all of a sudden BOTH ailerons work and the both MOVE with the gyro correcting property the Ailerons...HERE IS MY QUESTION...It says in the instructions to have 2 separate Ailerons not using a "Y" as this is how my plains are THEN you have to hook up the A2 E2 G from the gyro to the RX? MY SETUP as is in the plane now works perfectly with "no y" on the Ailerons yet I don't have to have anything plugged in A2 E2 G port on gyro...nothing is in there but both AILs are working? is this right?

So if this is OK as it seems to work, it's not like the instructions say
AND being that I have a 6CH receiver then can I use AUX1 then for my GAIN nob

Need to know if this is working right and OK
It seems to be when the surfaces move by the gyro....it looks correct
Seems weird though before putting in the gyro on my plane I used to use the AIL on my RX and Aux 1 for the second Ail....NOW there is nothing in the AUX 1 on RX, nothing in A2 E2 G in gyro and both Ails ARE WORKING (no y either)

Hope you can follow what i am trying to say and can tell me what is right to do!

Thanks

[xviper]

When you set the wing type in the gyro, you MUST put the wing type in the TX to "normal wing/tail". If you still have it set like you did last year when you flew it with no gyro, that's likely where you're going wrong. You can't have "dual aileron" set in both your gyro AND your TX. The gyro must do the mixing alone.

[RonK99]

When you set the wing type in the gyro, you MUST put the wing type in the TX to "normal wing/tail". If you still have it set like you did last year when you flew it with no gyro, that's likely where you're going wrong. You can't have "dual aileron" set in both your gyro AND your TX. The gyro must do the mixing alone.

Thanks for your reply and yes the gyro is doing the mixing as I only have one AIL channel plugged in the RX BUT I have the 4th slot on the gyro AIL plugged in which is my second Aileron...As I spoke the system IS working properly and yet still like I had it last year with dual ails on the TX? I get what you are saying though... Wonder why it still works? To me it seems like as if the "Y" per say that I don't have Ys as I had a dual ail setup before is now internal of the gyro...it's weird that it works so this is why I made a post for somebody who knows about this stuff to take a look :)

[xviper]

Not knowing exactly how you've got things set up, I don't know why it "still works". All I can tell you is that you shouldn't have dual ailerons set in both the TX AND the gyro. If it still works (or does it?), why worry about it?
You may think it still works but have you checked to see if the gyro compensation works on ALL control surfaces where it should work and in the correct direction (ie, left side and right side)? Just playing with the sticks may not show the whole story. But, as I said, if it all works, I guess you're good to go.

[RonK99]

Not knowing exactly how you've got things set up, I don't know why it "still works". All I can tell you is that you shouldn't have dual ailerons set in both the TX AND the gyro. If it still works (or does it?), why worry about it?
You may think it still works but have you checked to see if the gyro compensation works on ALL control surfaces where it should work and in the correct direction (ie, left side and right side)? Just playing with the sticks may not show the whole story. But, as I said, if it all works, I guess you're good to go.

Thanks for looking at this with me!
Yes I will double check that it all works properly now again...I'm on graveyard shift so I can't get into it until next week just been thinking about it though
If it indeed works NOW then the TX with dual ails set will still be mixing Ail ch and Aux 1 then....if I put my "G" gain in aux 1 then that won't work right
BUT if I set it like you said to put the TX to regular 1 Ail channel (Y style) then use the 4th output of the gyro to get both ails going THIS will free up my AUX 1 ch on my 6ch RX for "G" gain nob then Right?

I will check more when I can get back to it...just been thinking about it :)
Thanks a lot for your help!
Ron

[xviper]

You didn't mention what kind of plane it is but typically, AUX1 is for flaps. However, you can assign the knob to any channel you like, but typically, master gain is plugged into AUX3 (ch.8). If you have one of your ailerons plugged into AUX1 and assign the knob to control it, then the knob controls that aileron, so no, it won't work. If you have a single input of AIL into the gyro, you can't have a dual output from the gyro. You also use the term "Y style". Either the ailerons are "Y'd" together or they aren't. I don't understand what you mean by "Y style". If you have your ailerons separated (meaning one going into AIL and the other going into AUX1, then one goes into the gyro AIL and the other goes into gyro AUX1 and they both exit the gyro from 2 outputs.
You say you have a 6-ch RX but not knowing what kind of plane it is, we don't know how many channels are needed. If you have a standard type of plane - ailerons, flaps, elevator, rudder, throttle, retracts, you've got nothing left. To do dual ailerons, something else has to go.
Also, what you're calling "G-gain", is that what everyone normally call "master gain"? Without details and common terminology, we're just throwing darts at a board.
For future planes, really all you need is a simple gyro like the HobbyEagle A3-L, unless you're using high channel receivers for the purpose of separating all control surfaces.

[RonK99]

Yes you are right I didn't tell you good enough details but even with what you have said I know what to do now:
Change plane type to 1 AIL channel in TX then plug the second Ail into the gyro ch 4
Then this will open Aux 1 on my 6Ch receiver for the "master gain" or normal gain knob as it is called
Then once I have the gain set where it needs to be tested in flight I will set that permanent and inhibit the knob again :)

The plane I am using is an electric low wing basic setup with 2 ails,1 elv and rudder (no gear or flaps)
I am using a Spektrum 6 Ch 6210 RX with satellite

[xviper]

Yes you are right I didn't tell you good enough details but even with what you have said I know what to do now:
Change plane type to 1 AIL channel in TX then plug the second Ail into the gyro ch 4
Then this will open Aux 1 on my 6Ch receiver for the "master gain" or normal gain knob as it is called
Then once I have the gain set where it needs to be tested in flight I will set that permanent and inhibit the knob again :)

The plane I am using is an electric low wing basic setup with 2 ails,1 elv and rudder (no gear or flaps)
I am using a Spektrum 6 Ch 6210 RX with satellite

Typically, almost all planes are 2 ailerons "Y'd" together, therefore "1AIL" in the TX. Only when you split them apart and plug them into 2 separate ports, does it become "dual aileron". So, since you're only plugging ailerons into 1 port, does that mean you've "Y'd" them together again? Once you've established the gain you need and free up ch. 6 and you separate the ailerons again, you'll have 2 outputs from the RX, thus you'll have 2 inputs to the gyro for aileron. TX stays set as "1AIL", but then the gyro gets set as "dual aileron" and then has 2 outputs (one going to each aileron). Before you fly, always test the gyro response on the bench to see which way each control surface moves as you move the plane. For this test, max gain is best to see what's going on. Then put the gain back before flying.