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    The Stall

    It’s been my experience over the years one of the least understood things about flight and in particular with R/C models is the stall. What is it, why does it happen and when does it happen, and more importantly how can we prevent it from happening.

    A stall occurs when the weight of the aircraft can no longer be supported by the lift being generated by the wing ( helicopter beats the air into submission) and this can and will occur in many attitudes and not just at reduced power in straight and level flight. One of the most important things to bear in mind with a model is the weight. The lighter the model the better it will perform in flight and the lower the stall speed will be. This is relevant for all models both large and small. It’s a false assumption the stronger the model the more likely it is to survive a crash this is not the case. It doesn’t matter how much strength you built into a model it will always break at the weakest point in the event of a crash. A model is only as strong as the weakest part.

    Let's take two models of the same design and size one weighs 6lbs and the other weighs 7lbs. The lighter model will have a lower stalling speed than the heavier one because the heavier model will have to fly at a higher airspeed to generate the same lift required to keep it in the air. The light model will have a lower stall speed which means it will also be able to land at a lower speed this will reduce the risk of damage in a hard landing. A slower speed on landing will also give you the pilot more time to think ahead of what you need to do to keep the wings level and the model pointing down the runway.

    In straight and level flight lets assume the stall speed of a given model to be 25MPH this would be the ideal airspeed for the model to stall and flare to land on the runway. The same aircraft in a bank with the wings at say 30º the stalling speed goes up to about 30MPH. In a bank of 45º, the stalling speed increases to around 45MPH. Now increase the angle of bank to 60º and the stalling speed could be 50 to 55MPH. The stalling speed increase dramatically with the angle of bank and if you incorporate the elevator as well to initiate a turn the airspeed now starts to reduce because of the induced drag. If the pilot is not aware the model will rapidly lose height and crash if measures are not taken to rectify the situation. The above situation is even more relevant with an EDF because there is reduced airflow over the flying surfaces. With a propeller-driven model, there is airflow over the control surfaces from the propeller. However, please note the airflow will only be over the elevator and rudder. The ailerons will have little or no authority out towards the tip of the wing.

    Now, consider a landing circuit the model is on the downwind leg of the pattern, you have reduced power and losing height. At a given point you make a 90º turn onto a base leg all the while reducing the power slightly to reduce the height. The last turn on to the final for the approach is the most likely place the model will stall and crash if the pilot is unaware. As you make the turn you roll the aircraft into a bank and at the same time, you start to apply up elevator and perhaps the rudder as well. These are the same control inputs for a spin. The final turn onto the landing approach should always be a very shallow gentle turn.

    The model is nicely lined up on the final; approach to landing everything looks good when suddenly WHAM, BANG the model drops a wing and crashes. What happened, you have just experienced a tip stall. So what creates a tip stall and how can we prevent it I hear you say. A tip stall occurs when the lift at the wing tip stops generating lift and the root or center of the wing continues to do so. In other words, more lift is generated at the center of the wing that at the tip and because of this the tip will drop Hence the name “Tip Stall”.

    It happens mainly with a tapered wing and, again the weight of the model plays an important part it should be light. After the model has been built and finished there is very little you can do. However, there is one little trick that works and that is to raise both ailerons up slightly above the trailing edge of the wing somewhere between 1/32” and 1/16”. This has the effect of creating lift at the tip it’s called “Wash Out”. Anything more than this needs to be addressed in the design and building stages. Please note this only works with the model the right way up in flight. Inverted it has the opposite effect and it’s called “Wash In”. If you only intend to fly the model the right way up or inverted at no lower than half throttle inverted it will be fine.

    Aerobatic aircraft have tip stalling capabilities built into the design, they need to be able to snap roll, and spin cleanly and predictably.

    The power stall is the last one I want to mention. Your model accelerates down the runway to takeoff and lifts off into the air and starts a nice shallow climb at which point you increase the angle and rate of climb. The model starts to slow down while still on full power and is nor rapidly losing airspeed. More up elevator will only make the situation worse. If you don’t take immediate action the model will stall and likely crash. The only course of events to prevent a crash is to push the nose down to increase the airspeed.

    In s stall situation you have to increase the airspeed so the wing can generate sufficient lift for the model to fly. You may have to level the wings first it will depend on the attitude the model is in.

    Finally, I hope this helps you prevent a crash and it may also help when you have an unexplained crash.

    PappaBear











  • #2
    Good stuff Martin! Even though I am familiar with the aerodynamics of a stall, it's always good to read and refresh. A lot of times over the years I get complacent and rely too much on "motor/muscle memory" and get lax and BAM that's when I find myself doing The Walk of Shame. Here's a photo sequence a buddy took years ago documenting this very topic. The first photo shows the aggressive AoA that created a stall and the second photo is the dreaded Walk of Shame as a result, lol.

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    • #3
      All three of you did the something?

      It's a photo edit.
      Last edited by RRHandy; Sep 25, 2020, 12:53 PM. Reason: added more brain.
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      • #4
        Two ways to avoid the walk of shame, one either avoid the crash or leave where it crashes for someone else to collect. ! Note this is written with the tongue in cheek. !

        PappaBear

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        • #5
          Technically, there's no such thing as: "stall speed". Stall is a function of only one parameter: "Angle of attack (AOA)". Airfoils can stall at any speed.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ridgerunner View Post
            Technically, there's no such thing as: "stall speed". Stall is a function of only one parameter: "Angle of attack (AOA)". Airfoils can stall at any speed.
            That be true, the flightline 1600mm Spitfire is very prone to high speed stalls.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by ridgerunner View Post
              Technically, there's no such thing as: "stall speed". Stall is a function of only one parameter: "Angle of attack (AOA)". Airfoils can stall at any speed.
              Very true.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by ridgerunner View Post
                Technically, there's no such thing as: "stall speed". Stall is a function of only one parameter: "Angle of attack (AOA)". Airfoils can stall at any speed.
                That is the very best definition. The loss of the aircraft's ability to support its weight as mentioned in the first post comes afterwards as a possible side effect.

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                • #9
                  However, I do get the need to have the term "Stall Speed" in aviaton. Every aircraft has a Vspeed or designation that will tell you what the aircraft's "Stall Speed" is. For instance, a Cessna 172's "Stall Speed" is going to be roughly 50 knots "clean" and 43 knots "landing config." That's still very valuable information to have obviously, despite the accurate assessment of ridgerunner's statement.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Aros View Post
                    However, I do get the need to have the term "Stall Speed" in aviaton. Every aircraft has a Vspeed or designation that will tell you what the aircraft's "Stall Speed" is. For instance, a Cessna 172's "Stall Speed" is going to be roughly 50 knots "clean" and 43 knots "landing config." That's still very valuable information to have obviously, despite the accurate assessment of ridgerunner's statement.
                    Absolutley. A very valuable guideline for normal flight and especially for takeoff and landing approach. The only problem is that some forget that is not the stall speed in all flight regimes and aircraft weights.

                    A great thing is that more and more light aircraft have angle of attack indicators.

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                    • #11
                      Once a model is correctly blanced and set up, you can do more to help a model handle better near the stall and delay the negative effects.

                      One factor that comes into play with RC models is the condition of the leading edge of the wing.

                      ARFs are much better these days in terms of quality of build, but some sneak through with an undesirable mold line (or even a thick thick paint line with a sharp edge) on the leading edge of the wing, which can make a perfect stall strip outboard on a wing panel. For the vast majority of RC models, you want a smoothly rounded well contured wing leading edge for at least the outer 75-80% of the wing panel. On a couple of models, there was no mold line or paint problem, but the wing leading edge had a poorly shaped conture. After a moderate block sanding and some touch up paint, the models handling was greatly improved.

                      A well beat up model with more dents and damage on one wing leading edge than the other will often show a desire to drop that wing first when you get close to a stall. Not hard to fix. Loose tape near the leading edge can also screw things up.

                      I am also a big believer in adding some washout to a problematic foam or balsa ARF. Despite the original posters caveat about doing so, it can be a real cure for a model that likes to suddenly drop a wing. Most people will spend far more time flying a model in normal flight, aerobatics and approach mode than they will ever spend doing slow flight and slow turns inverted, where the inverted effect of washout can show up. Personally, I have never had any issue with washout noticeably affecting any aerobactics in general or inverted flight at any reasonable airspeed. Most will never be making inverted approaches to landing.

                      Adding washout is particularly helpful with smaller models that have a tendency to drop a wing unexpectedly.

                      Raising the trailing edge of the aileron is a decent but imperfect stopgap measure, not as effective as washing out the entire wingtip. Hoever, for a fully sheeted balsa wing, it can be only practical way of get a little washout effect would major surgery. As you know, open frame balsa wings with heat shrink covering are easy to add washout to, with heat and twist.

                      In any case, you still have to fly the model with proper technique, even if you deploy some of these modifications that can really improve handing near a stall and delay the onset of a stall.

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                      • #12
                        To expand a bit on low speed turns & stalls: What will frequently happen is only the wing "inside" the turn will stall, because it's moving slower than the outside wing relative to the airflow. This will cause the plane to snap into a spin.

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