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  • #1

    Freewing 80mm A6

    Getting ready to maiden the A6. I am using the Admiral 4000 60C battery.

    According to the manual the CG should be at 265-280mm back from leading edge of intake lip. With gear up or down, my CG falls at the back of the range (about 275 or so) with current battery placement.
    Should my elevators be level with that panel line, or showing a little up (leading edge down) about 1/8"?

    Any help or advice from you A-6 drivers would be appreciated. Normally I do not have any trouble with trim as I set the bird up according to the manual.
    But lately there have been some models (FMS P-40 to name one) that had bad info in the manual. So, I am a little cautious of just blindly trusting the manuals now.

    Anyway, if you guys can let me know the correct battery placement and stab position I would appreciate it.
    Meridian Aeromodelers, Meridian MS
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    CG and Stabilator per the manual. Battery as far aft as you can go.
    Warbird Charlie
    HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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    • #3
      Thanks!

      My admiral 4000 60C ends up being right at equal to the intake lips. Maybe 1/16 in front of them. That puts my Cg at about 275-280 with wheels down and 270-275 with wheels up.
      If I put the admiral full aft, my Cg is way too far aft. I must add that I am running my RX back near the aft side of the battery. That could explain the difference.
      Meridian Aeromodelers, Meridian MS

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      • #4
        I'm running my Rx aft also but am also only using the 40C 4000 Admiral which weighs 12g less than your 60C
        Warbird Charlie
        HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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        • #5
          I have always wanted this bird but have read some less than savory flight characteristics with this model. I dont remember what they are but its always kept me from getting one. Look forward to more thoughts on how it flies
          AMA 1102566

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          • #6
            About the only thing you can call "unsavory" is the speed. With the way the bifurcated ducts are set up, you lose some of the efflux velocity as compared to the other 80mm jets. But, that's the way an A-6 should fly, slow and lumbering. Don't get me wrong, it's no slouch, but nothing near as fast as the F-5, F-86 or Mirage. Plus, it's a draggy airframe to begin with, so that doesn't help.

            But she is so majestic in the air, especially with a bomb loadout! I've been flying mine for more than 2 years now, and it always gets compliments at the field.

            For the record, I fly mine with the lipo as far back as it will go with no ill effects whatsoever. Slow passes with full flaps are awesome!
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            Pat

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            • #7
              Yeah I am all for picking the plane up. Just some concerns is all. I still want the 1700 f4u but concerns arise there as well lol
              AMA 1102566

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              • #8
                It's on my wish list as well. Just need the hangar space..

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AkumaZeto View Post
                  Yeah I am all for picking the plane up. Just some concerns is all. I still want the 1700 f4u but concerns arise there as well lol
                  I have both the Freewing A-6E and the 1700 mm FMS Corsair for a few years now. I love flying both of them. I put my Admiral 4000 Pro 60C all the way back as far as I can, flies great. The Corsair, I use an Admiral 5000 50C all the way forward as far as it can go. It is a great airplane, my only complaint is the landing gear is a bit weak for the weight of the airplane. I have replaced the gear and/or retracts several times, but it is worth it. Have fun!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by AkumaZeto View Post
                    Yeah I am all for picking the plane up. Just some concerns is all. I still want the 1700 f4u but concerns arise there as well lol
                    If it's a recent release it's a good plane with the V2 motor mount and better retracts, I have one and other than being under "scale" powered it has preformed flawlessly.
                    TiredIron Aviation
                    Tired Iron Military Vehicles

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                    • #11
                      A-6 pilots, I seem to recall reading somewhere that this plane will not fit the Admiral 6S/5000/50C battery. Can someone please confirm or deny that statement? And if it can't fit that battery, is that the older, wider version or has anyone tried the new version that is only slightly larger, yet longer and a bit heavier than the Admiral Pro 6S/4000/60C?

                      I'm definitely considering adding this plane to my fleet, but it needs to be able to take my current compliment of 6S 5000s.

                      Appreciate the help,

                      Sean

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by EDFjetpilot View Post
                        A-6 pilots, I seem to recall reading somewhere that this plane will not fit the Admiral 6S/5000/50C battery. Can someone please confirm or deny that statement? And if it can't fit that battery, is that the older, wider version or has anyone tried the new version that is only slightly larger, yet longer and a bit heavier than the Admiral Pro 6S/4000/60C?

                        I'm definitely considering adding this plane to my fleet, but it needs to be able to take my current compliment of 6S 5000s.

                        Appreciate the help,

                        Sean
                        Hello Sean,
                        Confirming.....the A-6 will only accept the old case size 6S/4000/40C with 12ga power leads
                        https://www.motionrc.com/collections/lipo-batteries/products/admiral-4000mah-6s-22-2v-40c-lipo-battery

                        or the newer thinner/longer ones with 10ga power leads.
                        https://www.motionrc.com/collections/lipo-batteries/products/admiral-4000mah-6s-22-2v-40c-lipo-battery-with-ec5-connector

                        https://www.motionrc.com/collections/lipo-batteries/products/admiral-4500mah-6s-22-2v-40c-lipo-battery-with-ec5-connector


                        The 5000 is just too beefy, same length as the 4500 but too thick so the hatch won't close.
                        Not enough thickness in the battery floor or the hatch to cut away and still keep structural integrity.

                        Best regards,
                        Warbird Charlie
                        HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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                        • #13
                          Charlie,

                          Thanks for the quick response.

                          I guess I'll have to keep admiring this one from afar. I'm just not ready to invest in any 6S 4000s since I just increased my stock of 5000s anticipating the arrival of the A-10.

                          Best,

                          Sean

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OV10 View Post

                            Hello Sean,
                            Confirming.....the A-6 will only accept the old case size 6S/4000/40C with 12ga power leads
                            https://www.motionrc.com/collections/lipo-batteries/products/admiral-4000mah-6s-22-2v-40c-lipo-battery

                            or the newer thinner/longer ones with 10ga power leads.
                            https://www.motionrc.com/collections/lipo-batteries/products/admiral-4000mah-6s-22-2v-40c-lipo-battery-with-ec5-connector

                            https://www.motionrc.com/collections/lipo-batteries/products/admiral-4500mah-6s-22-2v-40c-lipo-battery-with-ec5-connector


                            The 5000 is just too beefy, same length as the 4500 but too thick so the hatch won't close.
                            Not enough thickness in the battery floor or the hatch to cut away and still keep structural integrity.

                            Best regards,
                            This is incorrect. I flew my A6 on 6s 5000 for two seasons... You just have to run a heavier EDF to balance it out and carve a little foam in the battery bay.

                            It rocks on the FW 1820kv inrunner on 5000.

                            The gear isn't the strongest, but buying a few spares here and there wasn't too bad.

                            AMAZING sound from this airframe as well. :)

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Alpha10 View Post

                              This is incorrect. I flew my A6 on 6s 5000 for two seasons... You just have to run a heavier EDF to balance it out and carve a little foam in the battery bay.

                              It rocks on the FW 1820kv inrunner on 5000.

                              The gear isn't the strongest, but buying a few spares here and there wasn't too bad.

                              AMAZING sound from this airframe as well. :)
                              Not incorrect if your not doing a major mod to get it to work
                              Warbird Charlie
                              HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by OV10 View Post

                                Not incorrect if your not doing a major mod to get it to work
                                No sir... He asked if you can run a 5000 mAh pack in the A6, and you surely can with the right setup and about 30 seconds worth of trimming.
                                (Far from even moderate work, let alone "Major work")

                                SOOOO... YES, you can :)

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                                • #17
                                  The OP's question was obviously oriented around a stock configuration.
                                  And as you said "You just have to run a heavier EDF to balance it out" so it is more than a stock setup and in my book it is a major mod and expense..........nuf said.
                                  Warbird Charlie
                                  HSD Skyraider FlightLine OV-10 FMS 1400: P-40B, P-51, F4U, F6F, T-28, P-40E, Pitts, 1700 F4U & F7F, FOX glider Freewing A-6, T-33, P-51 Dynam ME-262, Waco TF Giant P-47; ESM F7F-3 LX PBJ-1 EFL CZ T-28, C-150, 1500 P-51 & FW-190

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                                  • #18
                                    Guys, I apprepriate the banter to help answer my question.

                                    I don't mind carving out some foam or moving around components in and around the battery bay to get the CG correct for a 5000. However, replacing the EDF is a bit more than I'd like to do in both cost and effort.

                                    So for my purposes, is it possible to carve out some foam or move components around to get the new Admiral 5000 to fit?

                                    Thanks again,

                                    Sean

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                                    • #19
                                      Sean,

                                      You won't be able to move the 5000 pack back far enough to make the proper CG and it will fly very nose heavy. There is a ply bulkhead at the back of the battery bay.
                                      Pat

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by EDFjetpilot View Post
                                        Guys, I apprepriate the banter to help answer my question.

                                        I don't mind carving out some foam or moving around components in and around the battery bay to get the CG correct for a 5000. However, replacing the EDF is a bit more than I'd like to do in both cost and effort.

                                        So for my purposes, is it possible to carve out some foam or move components around to get the new Admiral 5000 to fit?

                                        Thanks again,

                                        Sean
                                        Honestly, if it's a plane you plan on keeping I'd strongly suggest upgrading to the 1820 inrunner... It's a night and day difference in power and sound compared to the lackluster outrunner IME.

                                        I flew it once on the outrunner and upgraded the next day. best $100 you'll spend.

                                        As the others have strongly noted, you can't run 5000 mAh on the stock fan... But I wouldn't recommend stock for anyone anyway so lol

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