Seeking Advice on First Tank

[ZMan941]

Greetings!

Over the past few days I've finally decided to act on my desire for an RC tank. After doing a lot of reading and video watching, I was hoping that I could get some input to fill in the blanks.

First, I'm looking almost exclusively at the Heng Long line of vehicles due to the affordability. As much as I love tanks, I don't want to dive head-first into the higher-end RC tanks, at least not yet. I realize that does limit some of my options in terms of models and features, but they do seem to be a solid starting point.

My intended use is just an enjoyable driving tank for general tank stuff. The vehicle will be driven outdoors primarily as I don't have much in the way of indoor space. I don't plan on getting into any battles, at least not from the get-go. For the near future, it would maybe involve a friend getting one and us doing some one-on-one fights, followed by commenting over how X tank couldn't actually do Y on the full scale because of Z gun specs vs Q armor but how it wouldn't matter because W tank would have suffered a mechanical failure by now anyway. Or something.
Basically, I plan to make it look fancy with some painting and weathering, then cruise around with it.

Given that I plan to drive it outside, I was looking at the Pro versions. It seems that the metal tracks and running gear is better suited to that, plus I won't like I just like the idea of metal tracks.



With that in mind I'm still trying to decide on which model to look grab. I know it is a fair amount of personal preference, but I'm also curious how much ground pressure, flotation, and suspension really comes into play on the scale RC tanks and their off-road performance. Some of the reviews I watched/read were less than helpful as they seemed to mostly be the same text but with a few changes for a given model.

I'm open to suggestions, but right now I'm looking at the Sherman, Panther G, and Panzer IV F2.
I could be convinced for the T-34/85 or one of the Panzer III's, but I don't have much interest in the KV-1 (not a fan of the E's extra plating) or King Tiger/Tiger II. As for the Tiger I, not to get controversial with my first post here, but it'd be a really hard sell; I just see them everywhere to the point where I'm basically tired of it. It might seem strange but I enjoy the rank-and-file tanks, mediums and lights with the standard guns, to the a lot of the lower-production heavies. I find the lack of the wonderful Cromwell family, Comet included, rather disappointing. I want my speedy, boxy Brits! Or the big slow ones. I'd love a Matilda II or Churchill, but I digress.

If the modern tanks really offer that much more, I'd consider them, but my favorite modern tank (Merkava Mk.III / Mk.IV) doesn't seem to exist in the RC world and the Abrams is similar to the Tiger to me. I want something different. Of Heng Long's modern offerings, the Leopard is the most appealing, although still below the WWII tanks.

For the Sherman, I am curious as it seems like Heng Long chose a rather strange variant to make. The 105 on the M4A3 chassis but without the HVSS was one of the lowest-produced variants and I'd be wondering if it could be converted into a M4A3(75)W as that would basically take a barrel and gun shield/mount (not sure if the Mato one will fit though?). I'm guessing they probably chose the 105 because it is the easiest to keep proportional and still fire BB's and the VVSS is easier to model than the HVSS.

For the Panther G, how much do the wider tracks factor in? I love the movement of the suspension I've seen in the videos of it, which seems more dramatic than the Sherman, and it gets extra style points for not being a Tiger, although I'm still leaning towards the Sherman.

Panzer IV has similar concerns regarding suspension and tracks to the Sherman, but it's still one of those designs I'm quite fond of. It also seems as though it could have potential to be modified into an H if I wanted, although I assume the Sherman has just as many, if not more, mods available for it.




Lastly, I was wondering where the best place to purchase one of these would be.

Motion RC seems to have the best pricing on the Pro's, but that doesn't do much when they are all completely out of stock.
I've seen numerous people mention Toucan Hobby, but I'm a bit wary due to the way they have so many different versions of each tank, some of which seem to contradict Heng Long's descriptions. For example, they have a M4A3 6.0 that's listed as not having a metal gear box. Then they have a "Plastic M4A3 6.0" with a metal gear box but is $80 than the "Upgrade" version on Motion RC. Then they have the versions that have steel running gear for a significantly higher price than the Pro listed by Motion, sometimes without a recoiling barrel (which a video of the M4A3 Pro from RC-Panzer-Shop.de shows from a few months ago shows as a standard feature). Then there are versions with metal running gear and a 360° turret mod (which I saw some posts say is more trouble than it's worth), with and without recoiling barrel and with/without metal suspension/roadwheels (cool but not sure if worth it/needed) for prices that range to nearly $150 over the Pro at the price Motion RC has it at.
What is Toucan doing that causes the higher cost? Do they not just sell the Pro version? Is it worth trying to sort their listings our or should I just wait for Motion RC to get more in? Is there another source to look at?



Thanks in advance for your time. I appreciate any help and insights you can share!

[Cascabel]

Greetings!

Over the past few days I've finally decided to act on my desire for an RC tank. After doing a lot of reading and video watching, I was hoping that I could get some input to fill in the blanks.

First, I'm looking almost exclusively at the Heng Long line of vehicles due to the affordability. As much as I love tanks, I don't want to dive head-first into the higher-end RC tanks, at least not yet. I realize that does limit some of my options in terms of models and features, but they do seem to be a solid starting point.

My intended use is just an enjoyable driving tank for general tank stuff. The vehicle will be driven outdoors primarily as I don't have much in the way of indoor space. I don't plan on getting into any battles, at least not from the get-go. For the near future, it would maybe involve a friend getting one and us doing some one-on-one fights, followed by commenting over how X tank couldn't actually do Y on the full scale because of Z gun specs vs Q armor but how it wouldn't matter because W tank would have suffered a mechanical failure by now anyway. Or something.
Basically, I plan to make it look fancy with some painting and weathering, then cruise around with it.

Given that I plan to drive it outside, I was looking at the Pro versions. It seems that the metal tracks and running gear is better suited to that, plus I won't like I just like the idea of metal tracks.



With that in mind I'm still trying to decide on which model to look grab. I know it is a fair amount of personal preference, but I'm also curious how much ground pressure, flotation, and suspension really comes into play on the scale RC tanks and their off-road performance. Some of the reviews I watched/read were less than helpful as they seemed to mostly be the same text but with a few changes for a given model.

I'm open to suggestions, but right now I'm looking at the Sherman, Panther G, and Panzer IV F2.
I could be convinced for the T-34/85 or one of the Panzer III's, but I don't have much interest in the KV-1 (not a fan of the E's extra plating) or King Tiger/Tiger II. As for the Tiger I, not to get controversial with my first post here, but it'd be a really hard sell; I just see them everywhere to the point where I'm basically tired of it. It might seem strange but I enjoy the rank-and-file tanks, mediums and lights with the standard guns, to the a lot of the lower-production heavies. I find the lack of the wonderful Cromwell family, Comet included, rather disappointing. I want my speedy, boxy Brits! Or the big slow ones. I'd love a Matilda II or Churchill, but I digress.

If the modern tanks really offer that much more, I'd consider them, but my favorite modern tank (Merkava Mk.III / Mk.IV) doesn't seem to exist in the RC world and the Abrams is similar to the Tiger to me. I want something different. Of Heng Long's modern offerings, the Leopard is the most appealing, although still below the WWII tanks.

For the Sherman, I am curious as it seems like Heng Long chose a rather strange variant to make. The 105 on the M4A3 chassis but without the HVSS was one of the lowest-produced variants and I'd be wondering if it could be converted into a M4A3(75)W as that would basically take a barrel and gun shield/mount (not sure if the Mato one will fit though?). I'm guessing they probably chose the 105 because it is the easiest to keep proportional and still fire BB's and the VVSS is easier to model than the HVSS.

For the Panther G, how much do the wider tracks factor in? I love the movement of the suspension I've seen in the videos of it, which seems more dramatic than the Sherman, and it gets extra style points for not being a Tiger, although I'm still leaning towards the Sherman.

Panzer IV has similar concerns regarding suspension and tracks to the Sherman, but it's still one of those designs I'm quite fond of. It also seems as though it could have potential to be modified into an H if I wanted, although I assume the Sherman has just as many, if not more, mods available for it.




Lastly, I was wondering where the best place to purchase one of these would be.

Motion RC seems to have the best pricing on the Pro's, but that doesn't do much when they are all completely out of stock.
I've seen numerous people mention Toucan Hobby, but I'm a bit wary due to the way they have so many different versions of each tank, some of which seem to contradict Heng Long's descriptions. For example, they have a M4A3 6.0 that's listed as not having a metal gear box. Then they have a "Plastic M4A3 6.0" with a metal gear box but is $80 than the "Upgrade" version on Motion RC. Then they have the versions that have steel running gear for a significantly higher price than the Pro listed by Motion, sometimes without a recoiling barrel (which a video of the M4A3 Pro from RC-Panzer-Shop.de shows from a few months ago shows as a standard feature). Then there are versions with metal running gear and a 360° turret mod (which I saw some posts say is more trouble than it's worth), with and without recoiling barrel and with/without metal suspension/roadwheels (cool but not sure if worth it/needed) for prices that range to nearly $150 over the Pro at the price Motion RC has it at.
What is Toucan doing that causes the higher cost? Do they not just sell the Pro version? Is it worth trying to sort their listings our or should I just wait for Motion RC to get more in? Is there another source to look at?



Thanks in advance for your time. I appreciate any help and insights you can share!

Right now, Toucan is your best bet. Depending on which listing you order from, you can get shipping from a U.S. warehouse, which is considerably faster. They operate under several different seller names on ebay, but it's always Toucan. (I don't know why they do that). Their U.S. location is Cranbury, NJ, so look for the shipping location in the ebay listings. Check all the listings of the ones you are interested in, because the prices and features vary quite a bit. I suggest for your first tank to get one with a pretty much "trouble free" reputation, if you can. Certain ones are prone to de-tracking, which can be a very annoying. Check with this forum for recommendations. I have had good luck with the Pershing, T-34, PZ IV, and KV-1, being trouble free right out of the box. All with metal tracks and sprockets and idlers. Had issues with the King Tiger (early model) and Tiger I, but eventually got them resolved. Toucan is also very good with customer service, But there is a bit of a "language barrier" when communicating with them.

[Rubicon99]

Greetings!

Over the past few days I've finally decided to act on my desire for an RC tank. After doing a lot of reading and video watching, I was hoping that I could get some input to fill in the blanks.

First, I'm looking almost exclusively at the Heng Long line of vehicles due to the affordability. As much as I love tanks, I don't want to dive head-first into the higher-end RC tanks, at least not yet. I realize that does limit some of my options in terms of models and features, but they do seem to be a solid starting point.

My intended use is just an enjoyable driving tank for general tank stuff. The vehicle will be driven outdoors primarily as I don't have much in the way of indoor space. I don't plan on getting into any battles, at least not from the get-go. For the near future, it would maybe involve a friend getting one and us doing some one-on-one fights, followed by commenting over how X tank couldn't actually do Y on the full scale because of Z gun specs vs Q armor but how it wouldn't matter because W tank would have suffered a mechanical failure by now anyway. Or something.
Basically, I plan to make it look fancy with some painting and weathering, then cruise around with it.

Given that I plan to drive it outside, I was looking at the Pro versions. It seems that the metal tracks and running gear is better suited to that, plus I won't like I just like the idea of metal tracks.



With that in mind I'm still trying to decide on which model to look grab. I know it is a fair amount of personal preference, but I'm also curious how much ground pressure, flotation, and suspension really comes into play on the scale RC tanks and their off-road performance. Some of the reviews I watched/read were less than helpful as they seemed to mostly be the same text but with a few changes for a given model.

I'm open to suggestions, but right now I'm looking at the Sherman, Panther G, and Panzer IV F2.
I could be convinced for the T-34/85 or one of the Panzer III's, but I don't have much interest in the KV-1 (not a fan of the E's extra plating) or King Tiger/Tiger II. As for the Tiger I, not to get controversial with my first post here, but it'd be a really hard sell; I just see them everywhere to the point where I'm basically tired of it. It might seem strange but I enjoy the rank-and-file tanks, mediums and lights with the standard guns, to the a lot of the lower-production heavies. I find the lack of the wonderful Cromwell family, Comet included, rather disappointing. I want my speedy, boxy Brits! Or the big slow ones. I'd love a Matilda II or Churchill, but I digress.

If the modern tanks really offer that much more, I'd consider them, but my favorite modern tank (Merkava Mk.III / Mk.IV) doesn't seem to exist in the RC world and the Abrams is similar to the Tiger to me. I want something different. Of Heng Long's modern offerings, the Leopard is the most appealing, although still below the WWII tanks.

For the Sherman, I am curious as it seems like Heng Long chose a rather strange variant to make. The 105 on the M4A3 chassis but without the HVSS was one of the lowest-produced variants and I'd be wondering if it could be converted into a M4A3(75)W as that would basically take a barrel and gun shield/mount (not sure if the Mato one will fit though?). I'm guessing they probably chose the 105 because it is the easiest to keep proportional and still fire BB's and the VVSS is easier to model than the HVSS.

For the Panther G, how much do the wider tracks factor in? I love the movement of the suspension I've seen in the videos of it, which seems more dramatic than the Sherman, and it gets extra style points for not being a Tiger, although I'm still leaning towards the Sherman.

Panzer IV has similar concerns regarding suspension and tracks to the Sherman, but it's still one of those designs I'm quite fond of. It also seems as though it could have potential to be modified into an H if I wanted, although I assume the Sherman has just as many, if not more, mods available for it.




Lastly, I was wondering where the best place to purchase one of these would be.

Motion RC seems to have the best pricing on the Pro's, but that doesn't do much when they are all completely out of stock.
I've seen numerous people mention Toucan Hobby, but I'm a bit wary due to the way they have so many different versions of each tank, some of which seem to contradict Heng Long's descriptions. For example, they have a M4A3 6.0 that's listed as not having a metal gear box. Then they have a "Plastic M4A3 6.0" with a metal gear box but is $80 than the "Upgrade" version on Motion RC. Then they have the versions that have steel running gear for a significantly higher price than the Pro listed by Motion, sometimes without a recoiling barrel (which a video of the M4A3 Pro from RC-Panzer-Shop.de shows from a few months ago shows as a standard feature). Then there are versions with metal running gear and a 360° turret mod (which I saw some posts say is more trouble than it's worth), with and without recoiling barrel and with/without metal suspension/roadwheels (cool but not sure if worth it/needed) for prices that range to nearly $150 over the Pro at the price Motion RC has it at.
What is Toucan doing that causes the higher cost? Do they not just sell the Pro version? Is it worth trying to sort their listings our or should I just wait for Motion RC to get more in? Is there another source to look at?



Thanks in advance for your time. I appreciate any help and insights you can share!

Out of all the tanks you mention and given what you indicate you wish to do with your tank I highly recommend the T34-85.

By far the T34-85 is the single best all around performing HL tank for hard outdoor use. It has no vices, is extremely reliable and with some paint and weathering can be turned into an excellent looking tank. It also is one of those few tanks that service life spans two eras from WWII through the middle of the Cold War.

The HL Sherman and Panther G are also decent tanks. The Panther G is a rather large tank about the size of a “modern” tank so be aware of this.

Here are a few photos of two of my T34-85s. I use these as loaner tank at IR tank battle events. One is a typical European green and the other is a desert tan (1960-72 Arab).
1960-1972 desert tan used during the Arab Israel wars. To left just off screen is an IDF M51 (M4 with HVSS and 105mm gun)

European green, 1950-60 theme with heavy MG and search light. Off to right is an IDF M51 with 105mm gun.


Oh and be patient a Merkava is coming soon just not by Heng Long.

[ZMan941]

Right now, Toucan is your best bet... Check all the listings of the ones you are interested in, because the prices and features vary quite a bit... All with metal tracks and sprockets and idlers...Toucan is also very good with customer service, But there is a bit of a "language barrier" when communicating with them.

Is there a reason they don't just sell the standard Pro vs doing all the different levels? It is somewhat concerning to see a listing of theirs that doesn't have a feature that the standard Pro would have and still have it listed for the same or more.

Out of all the tanks you mention and given what you indicate you wish to do with your tank I highly recommend the T34-85.

By far the T34-85 is the single best all around performing HL tank for hard outdoor use...

The HL Sherman and Panther G are also decent tanks. The Panther G is a rather large tank about the size of a “modern” tank so be aware of this.


Oh and be patient a Merkava is coming soon just not by Heng Long.

I don't know if I'd consider what I plan to be "hard outdoor use" but then again I don't exactly know what constitutes "hard" with these tanks. I wonder if some of that has to do with how simple the Christie suspension is with respect to modeled details. Less small parts for debris to get snagged in/on.

Naturally the T-34/85 seems to be harder to find and Toucan's listing are more confusing than usual since it seems to mix more features being metal/not and then 6.0 vs 7.0

As for the Sherman and Panther, how much of a disadvantage are they at compared to the T-34? Size isn't ba concern with the Panther either, although it also seems to be harder to find (at least the Panther G).


I'm not trying to harp on Toucan. I just am a bit confused by the large price disparity and how some tanks even suggest they have a plastic gearbox while Motion RC states that even their plastic running gear models have steel gearbox gears.

They also have quite a few that have 360° rings added. Is that going to cause reliability concerns? Another post suggested it might

I suppose I could just message them to confirm.


Lastly, I don't know if you are deliberately taunting me with those beautiful Israeli Shermans or not. I also saw the Merkava IV, but I'm not looking to invest at that level.

[canklebreaker]

Good luck with your 1st purchase, I'm in the same boat as you and have been contacting Toucan on eBay for clarification on their listings. I'm looking into an Abrams and my take away from the feedback provided from members here is to get a steel gearbox at the very minimum. The rest of the components in metal would be a nice upgrade but it all depends on how you plan to run your tank as others have mentioned. Like yourself, I don't plan to drive it too hard but am planning to get metal components on my kit regardless for the added realism. I like how these kits can also be displayed so the added features make it look that much nicer.

[Rubicon99]

Is there a reason they don't just sell the standard Pro vs doing all the different levels? It is somewhat concerning to see a listing of theirs that doesn't have a feature that the standard Pro would have and still have it listed for the same or more.





I don't know if I'd consider what I plan to be "hard outdoor use" but then again I don't exactly know what constitutes "hard" with these tanks. I wonder if some of that has to do with how simple the Christie suspension is with respect to modeled details. Less small parts for debris to get snagged in/on.

Naturally the T-34/85 seems to be harder to find and Toucan's listing are more confusing than usual since it seems to mix more features being metal/not and then 6.0 vs 7.0

As for the Sherman and Panther, how much of a disadvantage are they at compared to the T-34? Size isn't ba concern with the Panther either, although it also seems to be harder to find (at least the Panther G).


I'm not trying to harp on Toucan. I just am a bit confused by the large price disparity and how some tanks even suggest they have a plastic gearbox while Motion RC states that even their plastic running gear models have steel gearbox gears.

They also have quite a few that have 360° rings added. Is that going to cause reliability concerns? Another post suggested it might

I suppose I could just message them to confirm.


Lastly, I don't know if you are deliberately taunting me with those beautiful Israeli Shermans or not. I also saw the Merkava IV, but I'm not looking to invest at that level.

First, all the HL tanks with the exception of the Sherman use a similar suspension spring, control arm/axle design. None use anything like their real world counterparts. About as close as they come to mimicking the real world tank is in the range of motion. Even here sometimes is to much or to little. The T34-85 though is just about spot on.

What disadvantage do the Panther and Sherman have compared to the T34-85? Well neither has the level forgiveness in track tensioning (slack) or track retention (track staying on) when used in rough terrain, in loose fine sand, dirt, light mud, grass or snow.

Just can’t go wrong with a T34-85 as a “first” tank especially if you choose one with metal tracks, and steel gears. The metal road wheels are a nice option too but unneeded on the T35-85. One of the ones I posted photos of has plastic and one metal road wheels. Can you tell which one has what? Nor could anyone if I had them drive them. Performance wise there is no difference.

Now in general for all HL tanks the metal road wheels had been a must have prior to the 6.0 updates over the last few years. But with the introduction of the new 6.0 and up tanks that all now come with metal suspension arms as standard the issues (long story) with the plastic wheels for the most part no longer exist.

In the end it all comes down to what you find appealing to your eye. Buy why you like to look at and go from there with the good or bad. It can always be tweaked to work better. Trust me the T34 IS NOT my favorite tank to look at (stock out of the box) or even drive. It’s kinda boring, but that is what makes it such a good first tank for someone starting out.

With regard to all the differences in options and prices. These tank are largely “menu ordered” meaning each retailer can order from an option list to the specifications they want and then call them “custom, upgraded or professional” it all BS. Toucan orders theirs several ways. Motion orders them more simplified and this keeps the price more consistent for Motion (when and if Motion ever gets tank back in stock).

If you have time stop by my Instagram @ fsttanks. I am sure you will find it interesting.

Yes the IDF M51 (M4) was a friendly tease.....

[ZMan941]

First, all the HL tanks with the exception of the Sherman use a similar suspension spring, control arm/axle design. None use anything like their real world counterparts. About as close as they come to mimicking the real world tank is in the range of motion. Even here sometimes is to much or to little. The T34-85 though is just about spot on.

What disadvantage do the Panther and Sherman have compared to the T34-85? Well neither has the level forgiveness in track tensioning (slack) or track retention (track staying on) when used in rough terrain, in loose fine sand, dirt, light mud, grass or snow.
...

... Trust me the T34 IS NOT my favorite tank to look at (stock out of the box) or even drive. It’s kinda boring, but that is what makes it such a good first tank for someone starting out.

With regard to all the differences in options and prices. These tank are largely “menu ordered” meaning each retailer can order from an option list to the specifications they want and then call them “custom, upgraded or professional” it all BS. Toucan orders theirs several ways. Motion orders them more simplified and this keeps the price more consistent for Motion (when and if Motion ever gets tank back in stock).

If you have time stop by my Instagram @ fsttanks. I am sure you will find it interesting.

Yes the IDF M51 (M4) was a friendly tease.....

I figured that the nature of the Christie suspension, even if not sprung as it would really be, still has the edge in simplicity due to its slack-return, although other designs use that too. Either way, less small parts on a scale model.

The T-34 is not my favorite tank either. There also seems to be less "fun" you can do in terms of decorating (compared to names and art seen on Sherman's) but that said I don't dislike it. If it truly has a performance and ease of use advantage over the Sherman, as it seems, then it'll certainly remain a contender as I go down to a short list.


Pricing and option wise, that makes sense. It's admittedly a bit irritating since the "Pro" model on Motion RC is significantly less expensive than some of the similarly equipped models from Toucan, but that does no good if they never have any in stock.

Based on my wants, I was thinking of at least metal tracks, idlers, and sprockets. Steel gearbox is an absolute must. From there, barrel recoil would be nice. If metal road wheels don't add anything to performance, then I'll stick with plastic and replace as/if needed.


Does it seem as though my thinking is on the correct track?

[Rubicon99]

I figured that the nature of the Christie suspension, even if not sprung as it would really be, still has the edge in simplicity due to its slack-return, although other designs use that too. Either way, less small parts on a scale model.

The T-34 is not my favorite tank either. There also seems to be less "fun" you can do in terms of decorating (compared to names and art seen on Sherman's) but that said I don't dislike it. If it truly has a performance and ease of use advantage over the Sherman, as it seems, then it'll certainly remain a contender as I go down to a short list.


Pricing and option wise, that makes sense. It's admittedly a bit irritating since the "Pro" model on Motion RC is significantly less expensive than some of the similarly equipped models from Toucan, but that does no good if they never have any in stock.

Based on my wants, I was thinking of at least metal tracks, idlers, and sprockets. Steel gearbox is an absolute must. From there, barrel recoil would be nice. If metal road wheels don't add anything to performance, then I'll stick with plastic and replace as/if needed.


Does it seem as though my thinking is on the correct track?

Yes on the metal tracks, idlers and sprockets. Those are a must if you run outdoors. I would warn you not to have high expectations on the barrel recoil as it is kinda disappointing in its stock performance. The timing is way off with the cannon sound and track recoil. It’s really toy like and nothing comparable in realism to what is available on other high end tank brands like Tamiya.

It can be greatly improved but you will loose the BB function if you tweak the barrel recoil to be more realistic.

[ZMan941]

Yes on the metal tracks, idlers and sprockets. Those are a must if you run outdoors. I would warn you not to have high expectations on the barrel recoil as it is kinda disappointing in its stock performance. The timing is way off with the cannon sound and track recoil. It’s really toy like and nothing comparable in realism to what is available on other high end tank brands like Tamiya.

It can be greatly improved but you will loose the BB function if you tweak the barrel recoil to be more realistic.

I was reading about that and it seems like for what I want it isn't even worth it. My guess is that it is tied to the airsoft mechanism's piston/interrupted gear. I see the bb function as a gimmick and would rather have fun stuff like a flash and smoke from the barrel.
Sounds like it is best to forgo that feature from the factory and instead add it using better, more realistic options down the line, unless you need the factory part as a base.

[Cascabel]

Good luck with your 1st purchase, I'm in the same boat as you and have been contacting Toucan on eBay for clarification on their listings. I'm looking into an Abrams and my take away from the feedback provided from members here is to get a steel gearbox at the very minimum. The rest of the components in metal would be a nice upgrade but it all depends on how you plan to run your tank as others have mentioned. Like yourself, I don't plan to drive it too hard but am planning to get metal components on my kit regardless for the added realism. I like how these kits can also be displayed so the added features make it look that much nicer.

Part of the problem is that all sellers do not share the same definition of what a "Pro" model is. They are not being deceptive, so it pays to carefully read the listings to determine what to order. Toucan is quite responsive to queries about their products, and are quick to put things right if there is a problem so feel free to ask, keeping in mind the language barrier I think some of the responders have good English, and some do not.

[OKC_Jim]

It's admittedly a bit irritating since the "Pro" model on Motion RC is significantly less expensive than some of the similarly equipped models from Toucan, but that does no good if they never have any in stock

Many of Toucan's listings have the 'make offer' option. That may help bring their price down to your liking. They've been receptive to every offer I have made. My typical offer is what I would consider low but realistic.

[ZMan941]

If you have time stop by my Instagram @ fsttanks. I am sure you will find it interesting.

Visiting your Instagram was a "poor" choice. That KV-85 has me considering the KV-1 so I can try that modification down the road. I love the look of the stocky KV hull with the large 85 turret. Just when I thought I had it narrowed down to either the Sherman or T-34/85. Still not the biggest fan of the KV-1E turret, but the videos of the wide tracks and the way the suspension moves is really nice.

I think I'm basically here:

Sherman

• + It's a Sherman. Basically the iconic American tank of the era and I do have a thing for Shermans.
• + Seems like there's more fun stuff you can do with Sherman in terms of changing out guns with the same turret. Also you can give them fun names, which seems to be fairly American.
• + It is the easiest of the three to get and has the most versions available from Toucan
• - It has the narrowest tracks of the three and will likely be the poorest performer on softer material.
• - Per your mention, it isn't as good at track retention as the T-34/85.

T-34/85

• + Better performance than the Sherman on softer terrain
• + Better track retention.
• + Can put logs on the side. Everybody loves logs.
• - Most expensive and difficult to get of the three.
• - It's a T-34. They lack some of the soul the Sherman has.
• - Toucan is listing this has having the 7.0 card. Will that cause issues down the line as most of the optional stuff seems to be fore the 6.0/6.0S/6.1?

KV-1E

• + Wide tracks suggest better soft terrain performance. Not sure if that is true or how well it retains tracks.
• + Suspension movement looks very cool in the videos I've seen. More noticeable than Sherman or T-34
• + Beefy looking, but not actually plagued by the real-world power/weight issues.
• + Can become beautiful KV-85.
• + Least expensive of the three.
• - Probably has the least customization options of the three
• - Default KV-1E turret is kinda ugly.
• - That's not where the exhaust comes out of on a KV... (Not that the smoke is that important, but...)

This is turning out to be a harder choice than expected!


Edit: Honestly I'm starting to strongly consider the KV if it does well with off-road and track retention as your Instagram suggests.

[Vaseline]

Visiting your Instagram was a "poor" choice. That KV-85 has me considering the KV-1 so I can try that modification down the road. I love the look of the stocky KV hull with the large 85 turret. Just when I thought I had it narrowed down to either the Sherman or T-34/85. Still not the biggest fan of the KV-1E turret, but the videos of the wide tracks and the way the suspension moves is really nice.

I think I'm basically here:

Sherman

• + It's a Sherman. Basically the iconic American tank of the era and I do have a thing for Shermans.
• + Seems like there's more fun stuff you can do with Sherman in terms of changing out guns with the same turret. Also you can give them fun names, which seems to be fairly American.
• + It is the easiest of the three to get and has the most versions available from Toucan
• - It has the narrowest tracks of the three and will likely be the poorest performer on softer material.
• - Per your mention, it isn't as good at track retention as the T-34/85.

T-34/85

• + Better performance than the Sherman on softer terrain
• + Better track retention.
• + Can put logs on the side. Everybody loves logs.
• - Most expensive and difficult to get of the three.
• - It's a T-34. They lack some of the soul the Sherman has.
• - Toucan is listing this has having the 7.0 card. Will that cause issues down the line as most of the optional stuff seems to be fore the 6.0/6.0S/6.1?

KV-1E

• + Wide tracks suggest better soft terrain performance. Not sure if that is true or how well it retains tracks.
• + Suspension movement looks very cool in the videos I've seen. More noticeable than Sherman or T-34
• + Beefy looking, but not actually plagued by the real-world power/weight issues.
• + Can become beautiful KV-85.
• + Least expensive of the three.
• - Probably has the least customization options of the three
• - Default KV-1E turret is kinda ugly.
• - That's not where the exhaust comes out of on a KV... (Not that the smoke is that important, but...)

This is turning out to be a harder choice than expected!


Edit: Honestly I'm starting to strongly consider the KV if it does well with off-road and track retention as your Instagram suggests.

Ive seen resin KV-2 turret kits if thats more your thing.

[ZMan941]

Ive seen resin KV-2 turret kits if thats more your thing.

Yeah, I was thinking of those too. The 85 turret looks much sleeker than the giant tower of derp though.

[Rubicon99]

Visiting your Instagram was a "poor" choice. That KV-85 has me considering the KV-1 so I can try that modification down the road. I love the look of the stocky KV hull with the large 85 turret. Just when I thought I had it narrowed down to either the Sherman or T-34/85. Still not the biggest fan of the KV-1E turret, but the videos of the wide tracks and the way the suspension moves is really nice.

I think I'm basically here:

Sherman

• + It's a Sherman. Basically the iconic American tank of the era and I do have a thing for Shermans.
• + Seems like there's more fun stuff you can do with Sherman in terms of changing out guns with the same turret. Also you can give them fun names, which seems to be fairly American.
• + It is the easiest of the three to get and has the most versions available from Toucan
• - It has the narrowest tracks of the three and will likely be the poorest performer on softer material.
• - Per your mention, it isn't as good at track retention as the T-34/85.

T-34/85

• + Better performance than the Sherman on softer terrain
• + Better track retention.
• + Can put logs on the side. Everybody loves logs.
• - Most expensive and difficult to get of the three.
• - It's a T-34. They lack some of the soul the Sherman has.
• - Toucan is listing this has having the 7.0 card. Will that cause issues down the line as most of the optional stuff seems to be fore the 6.0/6.0S/6.1?

KV-1E

• + Wide tracks suggest better soft terrain performance. Not sure if that is true or how well it retains tracks.
• + Suspension movement looks very cool in the videos I've seen. More noticeable than Sherman or T-34
• + Beefy looking, but not actually plagued by the real-world power/weight issues.
• + Can become beautiful KV-85.
• + Least expensive of the three.
• - Probably has the least customization options of the three
• - Default KV-1E turret is kinda ugly.
• - That's not where the exhaust comes out of on a KV... (Not that the smoke is that important, but...)

This is turning out to be a harder choice than expected!


Edit: Honestly I'm starting to strongly consider the KV if it does well with off-road and track retention as your Instagram suggests.

The KV with metal tracks and all metal road wheels is a beast. It is reasonable good in stock form at track retention but needs a few easy tweaks to the drive axle through hull opening. Basically adding a small “free floating” nylon washers slipped over the axles pressed between the hull openings and sprockets to help stabilize the drive axles. It’s simple and very effective at stabilizing the sprockets from wobbling. The KV does not have a factory option for axle bearing supports to do the same thing.

The next thing it needs for long term durability is a screw added to both idler wheel mounts to more securely hold them in place. The whole for the screw is already there and was most likely planed by HL, but they cheap’d out and went with them being glued and pressed on instead.

The KV metal track come one link too long on each side. This is not an issue at first but as the track “stretches” aka breaks in, you will have to remove the extra link. Super easy to do. This keep the tracks having the sloppy KV track look but with the correct tension to keep them from wanting to come off easily.

Overall the stock KV is a rather good tank on all terrain types. It loves fine sand, dirt, snow, rocks, grass, and even carpet. It is a fast tank both in “low power and high power” modes and can outrun most of the other stock HL tanks in both modes. Upgraded the motors and voltage and its stupidly fast for any era of tank.

Mine has upgraded motors and a lot of added weight. It was built for open county outdoor IR tank battling to be able to smash through thick brush and exploit terrain that other tanks would not attempt or would have difficulty in. This gives me the ability to attack or evade in ways my competitors will not expect. The KV was a perfect base platform to build into the capabilities I wanted.

Oh lastly it is a noisy and clunky sounding tank especially with all metal running hardware, just like it’s real world counterpart.

[ZMan941]

The KV with metal tracks and all metal road wheels is a beast. It is reasonable good in stock form at track retention but needs a few easy tweaks to the drive axle through hull opening....

Overall the stock KV is a rather good tank on all terrain types. It loves fine sand, dirt, snow, rocks, grass, and even carpet. It is a fast tank both in “low power and high power” modes and can outrun most of the other stock HL tanks in both modes. Upgraded the motors and voltage and its stupidly fast for any era of tank...

The KV was a perfect base platform to build into the capabilities I wanted.

Oh lastly it is a noisy and clunky sounding tank especially with all metal running hardware, just like it’s real world counterpart.

I think I'm sold then. Gives me something a little unique, sizeable, and robust. If you've got any tips or instructions for how to do those basic mods that'd be helpful. Not too concerned at adding power as I don't need to build it into a wrecking ball for combat, but it is good to know it can handle it.
Is the KV one of the tanks that benefits from all-metal road wheels or is it also something to start with the plastic ones and upgrade as needed?

[Rubicon99]

I think I'm sold then. Gives me something a little unique, sizeable, and robust. If you've got any tips or instructions for how to do those basic mods that'd be helpful. Not too concerned at adding power as I don't need to build it into a wrecking ball for combat, but it is good to know it can handle it.
Is the KV one of the tanks that benefits from all-metal road wheels or is it also something to start with the plastic ones and upgrade as needed?

I started mine with plastic suspension arms and plastic road wheels. Drove with them for quite some time without any issues. I went to metal suspension arms and road wheels just to add more weight because I ran out of internal room to add more weight. Even if you are not going to bush whack yours, you will benefit from adding more weight to the front end. Helps balance and smooth out the KV which is a bouncy tank at stock weight.

I would definitely go with metal tracks, idlers and sprockets to start.

If you you end up getting one and want to add the tweaks I spoke of I would be happy to send you photos of what is needed and where it goes. Really simple stuff, but made a noticeable difference in overall reliability.

[ZMan941]

I started mine with plastic suspension arms and plastic road wheels. Drove with them for quite some time without any issues. I went to metal suspension arms and road wheels just to add more weight because I ran out of internal room to add more weight. Even if you are not going to bush whack yours, you will benefit from adding more weight to the front end. Helps balance and smooth out the KV which is a bouncy tank at stock weight.

I would definitely go with metal tracks, idlers and sprockets to start.

If you you end up getting one and want to add the tweaks I spoke of I would be happy to send you photos of what is needed and where it goes. Really simple stuff, but made a noticeable difference in overall reliability.

Sounds like a plan. I'll grab the one that comes with the metal tracks/idlers/sprockets and go from there. If the tweaks add reliability, especially with minimal effort, I'm all for them.
Thank you for all your help so far. This will make a fine birthday gift to myself!

[ZMan941]

I decided on the KV-1. I went with the version with metal tracks, idlers, and sprockets, and of course the steel gears in the gear box. This is essentially equivalent to the "Pro" version that Motion RC sell, but I ordered from Toucan Hobby based on availability and the positive feedback from people on this forum and others.

Toucan processed the order quite quickly and the tank is not just en route, but also has an ETA earlier than anticipated. I may have it tomorrow!

In the meantime, I've been looking over photos to try and determine which specific production parts are represented in the model and if there are any details missing. Given that it is a KV-1E and with the shape of the turret, I'm guessing it is a 1940 or 1941 spec. Doesn't matter but it is fun to know.

As for parts, so far I've only noticed that the headlight is just a bare LED attached to the hill rather than having its appropriate mount, but I assume that is due to the scale rendering that mount too small for it to house an LED. Again, mostly just interesting to know. I'm not going to nit-pick over tiny details!


I will keep you all posted, but I wanted to thank you all for your input.

[Cascabel]

I decided on the KV-1. I went with the version with metal tracks, idlers, and sprockets, and of course the steel gears in the gear box. This is essentially equivalent to the "Pro" version that Motion RC sell, but I ordered from Toucan Hobby based on availability and the positive feedback from people on this forum and others.

Toucan processed the order quite quickly and the tank is not just en route, but also has an ETA earlier than anticipated. I may have it tomorrow!

In the meantime, I've been looking over photos to try and determine which specific production parts are represented in the model and if there are any details missing. Given that it is a KV-1E and with the shape of the turret, I'm guessing it is a 1940 or 1941 spec. Doesn't matter but it is fun to know.

As for parts, so far I've only noticed that the headlight is just a bare LED attached to the hill rather than having its appropriate mount, but I assume that is due to the scale rendering that mount too small for it to house an LED. Again, mostly just interesting to know. I'm not going to nit-pick over tiny details!


I will keep you all posted, but I wanted to thank you all for your input.

I got a KV-1 fairly recently, and the headlight LED is mounted in a scale housing right next to the horn on the front plate.....