Anyone else out there prefer to not have any stabilization??

[Dewey H Lee]

String bag I think you have just a plain gyro mixed up with systems that auto fly a circle and auto land and has a virtual fence. A gyro Just's helps smooth out a flight that is being effected by adverse conditions. If you think otherwise take a plane up with one and see if it flys itself. You'll quickly find that you are the person keeping it in the air. Not the gyro. Everyone has a right to there opinion but please don't get it mixed up with safe technology. Happy Flights.

[Grossman56]

A gyro isn't an insurance policy. I've cracked mine up a few times, gyro or not. The beauty of the A3's are that you can roll in the amount of gain right from the radio if you have a spare rx channel, or, like I say, switch it off if you don't need it. I'm a firm believer that anything that gets a new pilot up in the sky and keeps them there is a good thing. The old saying that if you're not crashing, your not flying hard enough is an expensive outlook. Imagine if you applied that to driving a car!
Anyway, it's an 'each to their own' hobby, as long as you're having fun, no matter if it takes a gyro or whatever, than you've found satisfaction in a hobby you'll get addicted to.
Grossman56

[Aros]

It's hard to convince long-time flyers that have never used a gyro that it's not somehow cheating or removing the flyer from the experience. Stringbag (welcome to Hobby Squawk by the way!) represents a huge contingency out there. It's a shame because I would guarantee most of them would change their minds if they had the opportunity to fly with one, especially in less-than calm conditions, where they really prove their mettle.

When you're walking with shoes on instead of walking barefoot you're still the one doing the walking, just a bit more comfortably.

[xviper]

It's hard to convince long-time flyers that have never used a gyro that it's not somehow cheating or removing the flyer from the experience. Stringbag (welcome to Hobby Squawk by the way!) represents a huge contingency out there. It's a shame because I would guarantee most of them would change their minds if they had the opportunity to fly with one, especially in less-than calm conditions, where they really prove their mettle.

When you're walking with shoes on instead of walking barefoot you're still the one doing the walking, just a bit more comfortably.

I love that analogy. A club I used to belong to had many, many members with that same belief about gyros and other high tech electronic gadgets. They had very little understanding of what or how these devices worked, only to make judgement that they prevented a pilot from getting real good. They'd rather go through crash after crash after crash and spend their money that way on the road to getting "good". Then a few of us came along and showed them these devices and explained to them what they do. The pilot still had to fly the plane but we didn't spend nearly as much money fixing crashes and replacing planes. Slowly and little by little more and more of these "stubborn" (usually older) guys started to install these devices on their planes. The rest? Well, some got better while some never had the chance to get better due to crashes getting in the way. Dismissing something that isn't completely understood will always stand in the way of progress.

[yorkiepap]

Personally, I don't need or want another gadget in the system that will cause issues as has been reported quite a bit, especially the AS3X system. It's been reported that the WISE system is also problematic on the Sensei, a plane that doesn't need it at all as it's one of the easiest & gentlest trainers available for a newbie. I don't venture out to fly if Ma Nature is uncooperative & conditions warrant a "not today" flight parameter.

Denny

[VOODOO]

I am amazed that the question I posted almost a year ago is still such an active subject. As a follow up to my original statement about using stabilization AFTER one becomes an experienced pilot, I must confess that I am using the SAFE technology built into my BLADE 230S heli. I look forward to becoming accomplished enough to abandon this help, but it is definitely essential for now..Why would any sane person want to fly an aircraft whose wing goes round and round??

[Aros]

...Why would any sane person want to fly an aircraft whose wing goes round and round??

Beats me, that's why I stay clear of those flying chain saws! ;):P:Silly:

[Dewey H Lee]

You go voodoo. Hey man your right. The gyro helps to a certain extent but most is accomplished by the pilot. I don't think a person should use safe utilities after a certain time. Becoming to reliant on this function never helps a pilot. I've been working hard on increasing my skills in higher winds while landing. That's really the only place I've needed help with stabilization. Good luck in your multi rotor adventure.

[F106DeltaDart]

I am amazed that the question I posted almost a year ago is still such an active subject. As a follow up to my original statement about using stabilization AFTER one becomes an experienced pilot, I must confess that I am using the SAFE technology built into my BLADE 230S heli. I look forward to becoming accomplished enough to abandon this help, but it is definitely essential for now..Why would any sane person want to fly an aircraft whose wing goes round and round??

Its definitely nice to have that technology, especially when you are learning CP helis. You have no idea how much I wish that I would have had that learning on my helis, would have saved a lot of rebuilds and trips to the hobby store :Silly:. As for abandoning the tech once you are experienced, sounds good for SAFE, but you'll certainly be using gyros if you are going flybarless. It is near impossible to fly FBL machines well without some kind of controller. As for who would fly Helis, I guess I'm crazy and a bit biased. I learned to fly helis before fixed wings in both RC and full scale, and am a flight test engineer on the real birds as well. Helis are always difficult to learn, but extremely rewarding once they are dialed in where you want them.

[VOODOO]

My comment was actually "tongue in cheek", as I used to fly HIROBO Shuttle glow powered helis in the 1990s.. Progressed to performing rolls, loops, etc, but I feel like I started from scratch with the Blade 230S, which is a great little heli. In my 35 years as a full scale pilot, I have yet to fly in a helicopter, cause I really do feel uncomfortable with the idea of a rotating wing with so many moving parts. lol.

[F106DeltaDart]

Try reversing the channel that your on/off switch is on. The gyro has the 3 modes - off, on-2D, on-3D, selectable on one
channel, so if you are using a 2 - position switch it might be stuck in 3D mode. I limited the travel on my switch channel so that I could only select 2D or off to prevent any confusion.

[F106DeltaDart]

I tried that all it does now is a blinking red light. I think I might have a bum gyro. The gyro on my Mosquito works great I am not sure what is going on with this one that I am putting in my Bearcat.

That is pretty strange. Even if it was in 3D mode, you should have a solid light. Time to contact Motion C/S I guess.

[xviper]

I tried that all it does now is a blinking red light. I think I might have a bum gyro. The gyro on my Mosquito works great I am not sure what is going on with this one that I am putting in my Bearcat.

Did you actually want 3D? If not, you can turn the gain pot to zero (I believe it's the right gain pot) and that will get rid of it altogether. Have you tried assigning the gain to the rotary knob? On one of my planes, the mid position on the knob is OFF and in one direction, it increases gain for 3D and in the other direction it increases gain for regular stabilization.
If using a 3-way switch, the values for each position should be -100/0/+100. If you are using a 2-way switch, the typical values will be -100/+100 which means you can't turn it off. You'd have either 2D or 3D if the gains are set in the "active" range. Check those values in the monitor screen for that switch. Same for the knob. If you don't get these values, you'll need to fix it somehow, most likely via the servo travel menu or flap menu if that's what you're using for the 3-way.
You can also try a "device reset" and start all over again.

[Oxotnik]

To me 3-axis stabilization helps small planes fly like big planes. The Ultra micros are now fun to fly because they can be flown in wind that would've been nearly impossible without stabilization. For me, the transition point for really benefiting from stabilization is the 1100mm class of foamies. I have quite a few, some with stabilization, some without. My PZ FW-190 doesn't need a stabilizer. My Freewing FW-190, though, was much more quirky. I'd finally tamed it, but it remained twitchy and was very nerve-racking to fly. One day I said, 'Let me try it with a Lemon stabilized RX.' Holy cow, it was a whole new plane with the stabilizer(gains set pretty low) and has become one of my favorite, low-stress warbirds to fly. My 1400mm and larger warbirds fly just fine without stabilizers, and I don't use them. Personally, I hate SAFE or other attitude-hold gyro systems. It freaks me out anytime the plane does something uncommanded. But, I am not the least bit ashamed to say that gyros in 1100mm and smaller planes, for me, make these planes fun to fly. I'm in this hobby to have fun.

[Aros]

I think you're spot on Oxotnik... :Cool: