Xfly Models B1B Bomber 70mm

[Aros]

This is a very entertaining post. We got more details from that TurbineRC site. Makes the Banana boys look like little school kids whispering secret squirrel stuff in the back of the classroom. (Interesting that TurbinesRC webpage didn't mention anything about thrust reverse, but then, they are selling it as a turbine conversion.)
I occasionally send some copy/paste of some of the posts on these forums to a psychiatrist buddy of mine from my old medical research days - who likes to have a lighter day from time to time and get a chuckle. It is not surprising that the "one specific influencer" gets his feeling (singular) hurt. It would have been very interesting to have gone to Arizona just to do a psych analysis of him and of course, Ralph. Between you and kallend (and several others), you've got the Banana boys really tweaked.
To be fair .................... the "spy" did break the piñata prematurely and they (BH) had to scramble to do salvage work.
Since learning about a possible ARF+ for this model, I'm a bit more enthusiastic than I was after hearing about the price for the PNP. If I'm going to pay that kind of money, I'd rather spend a little more and do it up better - perhaps with the new gen of Freewing fans. Gotta see the thrust figures for the new XFly fan. Would also like to do a twin battery mod as well.

I'm sorry I must be missing something? Can I talk you into a synopsis for those slow folk like myself?

[xviper]

Did you see the post a person made that contacted Bitgo about if they would carry it and got a resounding "NO". I bet they aren't happy with the politics.

Yeah, I'm wondering if Banana had a virtual gun to XFly's head, waving the "agreement" in their faces. And Bitgo typing "NO" with one hand while the other hand's pinky finger was in a cigar cutter?
I'm quite convinced that any such "agreement" will have a termination date. I can't wait for Bitgo to finally get this plane and then tell us all about the "NO".

[Evan D]

My new years resolution was to be less of an internet thug. Really... I am trying not to post what I really think.


"Between you and kallend (and several others), you've got the Banana boys really tweaked."


Did you see the post a person made that contacted Bitgo about if they would carry it and got a resounding "NO". I bet they aren't happy with the politics.

[xviper]

You're welcome.

I didn't make the rules. I just posted the relevant one.

If he hadn't been so cheap as not to be a sponsor when about 99% of his posts are blatant marketing, I wouldn't even have done that.

You'd think that Banana would cough up 5 bucks for their "influencers" to do their "job" better.

[kallend]

So far there has been close to zero from BH as the reseller. Almost everything has been from one specific influencer that now seems to have his feelings hurt since he was called out for excessive advertising on "the guppy".

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You're welcome.

I didn't make the rules. I just posted the relevant one.

If he hadn't been so cheap as not to be a sponsor when about 99% of his posts are blatant marketing, I wouldn't even have done that.

[xviper]

So far there has been close to zero from BH as the reseller. Almost everything has been from one specific influencer that now seems to have his feelings hurt since he was called out for excessive advertising on "the guppy".

This has definitely been a shining example of how not to do a release.

This is a very entertaining post. We got more details from that TurbineRC site. Makes the Banana boys look like little school kids whispering secret squirrel stuff in the back of the classroom. (Interesting that TurbinesRC webpage didn't mention anything about thrust reverse, but then, they are selling it as a turbine conversion.)
I occasionally send some copy/paste of some of the posts on these forums to a psychiatrist buddy of mine from my old medical research days - who likes to have a lighter day from time to time and get a chuckle. It is not surprising that the "one specific influencer" gets his feeling (singular) hurt. It would have been very interesting to have gone to Arizona just to do a psych analysis of him and of course, Ralph. Between you and kallend (and several others), you've got the Banana boys really tweaked.
To be fair .................... the "spy" did break the piñata prematurely and they (BH) had to scramble to do salvage work.
Since learning about a possible ARF+ for this model, I'm a bit more enthusiastic than I was after hearing about the price for the PNP. If I'm going to pay that kind of money, I'd rather spend a little more and do it up better - perhaps with the new gen of Freewing fans. Gotta see the thrust figures for the new XFly fan. Would also like to do a twin battery mod as well.

[Elbee]

WELL, I hate...errrr...dislike very much being PC as I try very hard to avoid that in my daily life LOL, but y'all bring out the very worst in me sometimes...OTFL. Diplomatic?? Well let's ask "she whose authority exceeds my rank" abut that one.....aahh...okay, let's not. Thanks Vipe, always like your frankness and truthfully, I am just glad to be here. LB

[Evan D]

So far there has been close to zero from BH as the reseller. Almost everything has been from one specific influencer that now seems to have his feelings hurt since he was called out for excessive advertising on "the guppy".

This has definitely been a shining example of how not to do a release.

[xviper]

Most of what I read here falls in my category of "Let me under-think this, jump to a conclusion, and tell everyone."
And yes, it is a real category for me....

Y'all know what i mean; the "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach at commentary or dialogue.

Unfortunately, it is contagious to a fault, but many times brings a smile to this ol' face.

Love all y'all, just sayin'...Best and respectfully, LB

You are so politically correct at times and diplomatic. Love ya! And I mean that in a manly way.

[Elbee]

Most of what I read here falls in my category of "Let me under-think this, jump to a conclusion, and tell everyone."
And yes, it is a real category for me....

Y'all know what i mean; the "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach at commentary or dialogue.

Unfortunately, it is contagious to a fault, but many times brings a smile to this ol' face.

Love all y'all, just sayin'...Best and respectfully, LB

[xviper]

I agree that uncivil fighting is no good. I'd also argue that differing points of view and debate can be very constructive and revealing, when beneficial collaboration and insight is the point of the exercise.

But then again, we are just talking about our hobby of flying foam manhole covers afterall. I do find the seriousness that some of us take with our hobby to be refreshing!

There have been models out there that just never fly well. All of my statements are generalizations, not specific to the B1. Ultimately I'd like to see it fly well and be a great model. As of now, to quote a wise redneck friend of mine, "It's hard saying not knowing."

I'll agree with you on all points. With such lack of information this far ahead of release, there is absolutely nothing wrong with generalizations and/or speculations. Plenty of rumors all around and that is also the nature of these sorts of things. If better information is out there, why not correct those rumors, generalizations and speculations instead of lighting the fire and calling people out for BS?

[xviper]

With thanks to Evan D for posting this on the Guppy ................................
https://www.turbines-rc.com/en/jets-...f-jet-pnp.html

More detailed specs. Release: May/23. No prepayment of pre-orders from Turbines RC. No price set. Pulsar gyro included. Fans: 3060-KV2200 (new? Old 2860 fan: static thrust, 2.4 kg). Flying weight: 5 kgs.
Hope to see more like this from Bitgo, RC Castle and later from AliExpress.

[SanExup]

I agree that uncivil fighting is no good. I'd also argue that differing points of view and debate can be very constructive and revealing, when beneficial collaboration and insight is the point of the exercise.

But then again, we are just talking about our hobby of flying foam manhole covers afterall. I do find the seriousness that some of us take with our hobby to be refreshing!

There have been models out there that just never fly well. All of my statements are generalizations, not specific to the B1. Ultimately I'd like to see it fly well and be a great model. As of now, to quote a wise redneck friend of mine, "It's hard saying not knowing."

[Aros]

Alright gents, let's keep this civil and friendly.

[xviper]

I know nothing more than a guy that got off his ass and went to AZ to see for myself and ask questions instead of spouting speculative b.s.

So, give us the answers. What did they have to “work their asses off” trying to do? Or are you just BSing about asking questions and knowing better than everyone? You must think everyone can afford to just pick up and travel to Arizona or are you just speculating that we can all do it? THAT’S BS and hypocritical.

[Gilatrout]

I know nothing more than a guy that got off his ass and went to AZ to see for myself and ask questions instead of spouting speculative b.s.

[xviper]

Very glad to hear you have had no issues with BH in recent years! As long as my B-1 arrives around the expected ETA this Summer (in perfect condition out of the box), I'll be happy.

to gather all the tips and tricks, messages of warning and caution before I finally kick the tires and light the fires.

I have yet to maiden my B-2! So patience, while not normally my strong suit in life, has its place for me in this hobby.

I'm afraid that sometimes, models arrive in less than primo shape but that's not the fault of Banana. One of those shipments from years back came with the box beat up pretty badly. It looked like somebody drop kicked it across the mail plant floor and played soccer with it. I almost refused delivery and had the postman take it back, but I'm impatient and took it anyway. Fortunately, the contents were "mostly" OK. ETA is another hard thing to nail down. The world is going to Hell in a handbasket. If it's not Covid, it's tensions with China or striking unions. China may be about to go into another "wave".

As for intel, at this moment, all we can do is see what we can see through the crack of the door. That's why I was somewhat glad of Gilatrout's reply to me. As annoyed or offended as he was with my post, he let the door open just a little and left a crack (a piece of the cat slipped out of the bag - OOPS!). He's obviously privy to stuff with the "guys" who tested this plane. I'm hoping he'll reply again, even if in anger, to let a little light through that crack in the door, to reveal what's been going on with this plane so far. I think that's as close to "kicking the tires" as we'll get until they start to show up at flying fields. There was a rumors (spy?) on the other forum about it not flying well to begin with. The secrecy and the slow release of information about this plane has led to a lot of speculation, frustration and suspicion in the minds of a few who are about to fork over 700 bucks.

Make an effort to read everything that "Glider Guy" posted about the B2. It has saved my B2 more than once.

[Aros]

Good for you, Aros. I like a man who knows what he wants and goes for it. When you checked out, were you charged right away?
If I didn't have such a lack of space, I may have done the same thing myself - maybe! However, at this price point, I'm willing to be more patient - how patient, I'm not sure.
In truth, you should not worry about Banana. As much as I detest their marketing guy and his poor PR skills, the actual company sales practices are on solid ground. I've bought 3 models from them in the past few years and so far, all have been good.

Well here's the thing, I tried using multiple cards (debit, credit) and the system said the cards weren't valid or something like that (they are all valid) so I finally ended up using my PayPal credit for the purchase. So as far as PayPal is concerned, I owe that money now, although I don't have to pay for six months to avoid interest, which I fully plan on doing before August.

Very glad to hear you have had no issues with BH in recent years! As long as my B-1 arrives around the expected ETA this Summer (in perfect condition out of the box), I'll be happy.

However, I'm no dummy. I would never be in a rush to be one of the first to maiden. Nooooooo, that's for those much braver than myself. I will gladly sit back, take my time with the build and soak up every stinkin' intel from our fellow flyers (and no not the ones that can can make a perforated manhole cover "fly" in your words, lol) to gather all the tips and tricks, messages of warning and caution before I finally kick the tires and light the fires.

I have yet to maiden my B-2! So patience, while not normally my strong suit in life, has its place for me in this hobby.

Well, that and I am tired of publishing crash videos on my YT channel.

[xviper]

literally the same exact people that worked their ass off to make the B2 work are the same ones making the B1 as best as it can be.

god I’m tired of people who insist on yucking other people’s yum

So, you're saying that the people who brought us the B2 (Freewing) are the same as the ones who are bringing us the B1 (Xfly)? So those same people who worked for Freewing left and went to work for Xfly? Or are you saying that those people are working for both Freewing and Xfly? Which is it?
Or are you saying the Justin Lamb and Jeremy Solt were the ones that tested the B2 and are now the ones that have been testing the B1? How is any of that "making the B2 and B1 work"? If you are implying this, then are you saying that they DID, in fact, tweak and mod those planes to make them fly the way we saw the pre-production models fly in the videos? THAT, was very integral to the part in my post about "tweaks" vs an unimproved product vs what we will see being sent to customers. Please tell us everything you based your reply on. I'm sure everyone on BOTH forums will be sitting on the edge of our seats to hear the details of the "work" they put in to make these things fly as we saw in the videos. Does that also mean they did NOT fly like that BEFORE the videos were taken?
How did my post "yuck other peoples' yum"? My post was proposing another possibility and ask for realistic thinking when potential customers consider this product. However, you are saying that those pre-production test models, WITH all that hard work, will fly exactly the same as the ones about to come out of the factory doors. Is this correct? Please tell us all about it. Give us ALL the inside scoop about these "people" and the product and what they did when they "worked their asses off".
Just as it seems my post offended you, your post offends me. I won't forget "Gilatrout".

[Gilatrout]

1. So far../snip/

literally the same exact people that worked their ass off to make the B2 work are the same ones making the B1 as best as it can be.

god I’m tired of people who insist on yucking other people’s yum