Official Freewing 90mm Ares 3D EDF Jet Thread

[Alphonso]

Think of it as one gyro just separated into two cases. One single gyro didn't have enough outputs so they linked the two units into one and the programming takes care of sorting it all out. If you try to think of it your way it'll drive you crazy.

That puts it very well

[xviper]

Thanks, guys. I do have the Bluebridge, so I'm sure it'll all make sense.

[xviper]

Pretty quiet in here but lots of recent stuff in the other forum. I'm having second thoughts about this plane. The only reason I wanted this in the first place is the hovering and it's been said that this plane doesn't really do it that very well anyway (at least now with me on the sticks - Jon and Seth are "pros" and they make it look easy). I'm at 3200' altitude, so perhaps the hovering ability would be somewhat dampened. I've owned a couple of Avanti before and I got bored with them very quickly. Aside from the "tricks", the Ares may just get boring for me, too.
Now beginning to take note of what people (Jon @ 2Bros for one) have said when comparing this to the MiG29. My interest in the MiG has peaked. I had the original MiG29 that I added the TV and it was quite entertaining but underpowered. The current version appears to have much more power and the newer red/white livery is more visible. Since it won't actually hover, perhaps only 1 gyro will do. RCC will have their new stock on both planes about the last quarter of November. Ares is still on the list but maybe for next spring. These are very pricey models and wishy-washy, I be.

[xviper]

I caved. Should be showing up at my front door in the next couple of hrs. Decided to get one of the remaining units from MotionRC even though it cost about 150 bucks more, but what the heck, I do like to support a good company. Maybe it'll bring some of that Florida sunshine to our rapidly diminishing fall. The MiG29 will be a Xmas gift to myself.

[Evan D]

I like mine, hope you do too.

[xviper]

I think I'll like it too. Taking it out of the box, I'm really surprised (pleasantly so) at just how big this plane is (comparing it to my old 80mm Avanti S). The wife even exclaimed, "Holy crap, that's a big box"!
I've been watching all the YouTube vids on the set up and the one I saw from Freewing Model is of particular interest and relevance to me. I'll also give due consideration to some elements of 2 Bros and M&M Dynamics plus things I've seen on both forums threads. It's starting to make sense to me now. I've got my old SebArt MiG29 to practice and limber up on.

[xviper]

Got it all put together and programmed. Just waiting for a "warmish" day before the snow comes (frozen fingers syndrome) to maiden it. I'm trying something a little different. I've "Y'd" AIL to FLAP on each side, reversed one flap so it moves the same way as the mated AIL. I have full span ailerons and flaperons (low flap deflection). ELE nozzle Y'd to ELE, RUD nozzle Y'd to RUD. Have enough left over for reverse with one to spare (10-ch Lemon). Did the Bluebridge programming as per the Freewing YouTube set up video. Maxed out the nozzle as per Jon (2 Bros), dialed in lower rates for normal flying and put the gain on a slider. "Seems" to all work but proof will be in the air. Like the steering gyro but it would be nice if it didn't work the steering when retracted (like the ASSAN).

[Evan D]

I recently reduced travel in my TV and am much happier with spins and flips, more controllable and less snappy.

[xviper]

I recently reduced travel in my TV and am much happier with spins and flips, more controllable and less snappy.

Interesting! I'll keep that in mind.

[xviper]

Maidened today. First was a trimming flight. Found I needed to reduce rates dramatically on AIL and ELE and increased expo on both. Flew well as a "normal" jet (on low gains). Hovered up high (too chicken to do it low). Everyone was amazed at how rock steady it was as it just hung there in one spot (gains maxed as per Freewing set up video). Lands fast without flaps. Slows down nicely when landing high alpha but was a bit bouncy for me. Need practice. Will try hovering lower and lower as I get more confident. Didn't do any flips and spins yet. Snow coming soon.

[Airguardian]

Another one joins the cult!

[Evan D]

That last pull was close.

[Airguardian]

Yep, and the one on this video, even closer! (minute 8)

Damn planet earth, suddenly falling towards my airplane! How shameless!

[Airguardian]

5th gen stealth trees aren't real, they cannot hurt y-

[Airguardian]

What gyro is everyone using?
Any luck getting rid of that annoying wing rock?

[Mr.Ombre]

Hi, I'm planning to order the 8s Ares PNP as well.

I have a few questions and hope you can answer them.

Does the TV gyro now have auto-leveling?

Can the gains of the two gyros be adjusted separately?

I'll be using a 12-channel FrSky receiver without stabilization, or can the gyros already be controlled via SBUS?

[xviper]

"Auto-level" can be set on either gyro, but I don't see any advantage to it since it's only for leveling the plane when in forward flight. The auto level feature is only really needed for the gyro affecting the control surfaces. If you are thinking maybe auto level would help in keeping the plane in a vertical hover, I don't think you can make that gyro think vertical is horizontal. You're better off using high gain on the VT nozzles for hovering and slow, high alpha. Also, I'm not sure you can have 3 flight modes (one of which is auto level) and master gain on the same gyro. It's one or the other. However, you could elect to have auto level for one gyro (control surfaces) and master gain for the other (VT). I suggest you download the gyro manual and have a read to see what you can and can't do.
Yes, each gyro can be "adjusted" separately via the Blue Bridge programming device. If you are talking about "master gain", this can also be done if you have enough channels to assign a master gain to rotary or slider for each gyro. In the manual, both master gains are Y'd together so changing gain on the fly is done to both via one rotary/slider. It seems counter productive to have separate master gains, since when you are going slow as in high alpha or hovering, you want high gain, where the control surfaces won't mind. When flying at speed, you want lower gain, where the nozzles don't really need any gain at all.

[Mr.Ombre]

"Auto-level" can be set on either gyro, but I don't see any advantage to it since it's only for leveling the plane when in forward flight. The auto level feature is only really needed for the gyro affecting the control surfaces. If you are thinking maybe auto level would help in keeping the plane in a vertical hover, I don't think you can make that gyro think vertical is horizontal. You're better off using high gain on the VT nozzles for hovering and slow, high alpha. Also, I'm not sure you can have 3 flight modes (one of which is auto level) and master gain on the same gyro. It's one or the other. However, you could elect to have auto level for one gyro (control surfaces) and master gain for the other (VT). I suggest you download the gyro manual and have a read to see what you can and can't do.
Yes, each gyro can be "adjusted" separately via the Blue Bridge programming device. If you are talking about "master gain", this can also be done if you have enough channels to assign a master gain to rotary or slider for each gyro. In the manual, both master gains are Y'd together so changing gain on the fly is done to both via one rotary/slider. It seems counter productive to have separate master gains, since when you are going slow as in high alpha or hovering, you want high gain, where the control surfaces won't mind. When flying at speed, you want lower gain, where the nozzles don't really need any gain at all.

Thank you, that was helpful. Any idea about SBUS from receiver to gyro?

[xviper]

Thank you, that was helpful. Any idea about SBUS from receiver to gyro?

I don't think it mentions anything about SBUS in the manual, so I doubt it's an option. SBUS is generally used when dealing with a flight controller. This plane doesn't have a flight controller. It has a "control box", which is basically a collection point for servos throughout the plane, sort of like a bunch of Y's.

[Evan D]

FW said that sbus would be an option in a future update. I don’t know if they ever did it.