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Just saw the Phoenix models A26 in tower.

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  • rifleman_btx
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    #21
    Air retracts are very good, and high end electric retracts are just as good. So for me it's a toss up. And no I didn't know a nother thread had been started. Mostly because I mainly hang out in the prop plane forum. Almost forget there's other branches. :/

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    • crankestein
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      • May 2017
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      #22
      Requirements; two 4S 4500mah lipos!

      How much flight time is that?

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      • OV10
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        #23
        Originally posted by crankestein
        Requirements; two 4S 4500mah lipos!

        How much flight time is that?
        Was answered here:
        Warbird Charlie
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        • Trobinson99
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          • Feb 2016
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          #24
          So I pulled the trigger and ordered this plane.

          I am planning on outfitting it as electric with the rimfire setup and 2 x 4s 5000 admiral batteries and 3 bladed props..

          I am still undecided whether to replace the air powered retracts with electric. I will likely wait and see what the retract system looks like when it arrives.

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          • dkalwishky
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            • Sep 2015
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            #25
            Post some pictures of the plane before assembly if you can, I'd like to see what it looks like.

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            • rifleman_btx
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              #26
              Absolutely! I'm interested to see how you rate the retracts as well.

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              • Trobinson99
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                #27
                When everything gets in I will create a new build thread and update with pics.

                it currently says shipping in August, so I am not sure of the exact date.

                Todd

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                • Trobinson99
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                  #28
                  As I am still concerned with the Rimfire .32 spec, I added the data to eCalc ( to the best of my abilities) and came up with the following report

                  if I swap out the APC 2 bladed prop to a MAS 3 bladed 13x8 the Thrust-weight is 0.75:1 and the Power-Weight is 70W/lb

                  T

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                  • rifleman_btx
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                    #29
                    Ohh man that is alittle tight. She'll fly pretty scale though

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                    • Trobinson99
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by rifleman_btx
                      Ohh man that is alittle tight. She'll fly pretty scale though
                      For fun I ran the stock numbers on the Hanger 9 Twin Otter, the Hanger 9 Mitchell and the Top-Flite B-25 Mitchell. In both cases with the 13x8 props, the numbers were almost identical. With the MAS 3 bladed 13x8 all the numbers are better.

                      Scale it is...

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                      • rifleman_btx
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                        #31
                        Indeed very nice

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                        • Trobinson99
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                          #32
                          Guys, please ignore my previous post, the data contained some errors. I will update tomorrow

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                          • rifleman_btx
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                            #33
                            Copy that

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                            • Trobinson99
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                              #34
                              I have re-run the numbers in eCalc with the correct battery cell count.

                              Tower Hobbies recommend spec
                              2 x RimFire .32
                              2 x 60 amp ESC
                              2 x 13 x 8 2-blade prop.

                              As you can see by A-26 13x8 2-blade 60 amp ESC.jpg that spec puts the current draw and the max power over the limits of the ESC and motor.

                              Based on a response from Tower Hobbies posted by LDM, they have tested the A-26 on the RimFire .32 motors and suggest either a 13x6 2-blade or a 12x5x3 3-bladed prop.

                              The 13x6 2-blade still pushes the amp draw to slightly over the 60AMP for the ESC
                              A-26 13x6 2- blade 60 amp ESC.jpg

                              The 80 amp ESC provides enough for the 13x6 2-blade
                              A-26 13 x 6 2-blade 80 amp ESC.jpg

                              The 12x5x3 3-blade fits with the 60 amp ESC.
                              A-26 12x5 3 blade 60 amp ESC.jpg

                              I will likely bump up to the 80 amp ESC for extra wiggle room.

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                              • Trobinson99
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                                #35
                                Here is my currently planned Electric Power System

                                2 x RimFire .32
                                2 x Phoenix Edge 75 32V 75A ESC w/5 AMP BEC
                                2 x 5000MAH 4S 14.8V 40C
                                2 x MAS 12x6x3 ( one puller, one pusher)


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                                • rifleman_btx
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                                  #36
                                  I like it

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                                  • Trobinson99
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                                    #37
                                    And to make her pretty...

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                                    • Hardway
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                                      #38
                                      I love the A26, like all the warbirds! I modified a VQ A-26 into the gun nose version and this was the result...

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                                      • rifleman_btx
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                                        #39
                                        Very cool, on both, can't wait to see the finished product T!

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                                        • Hardway
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                                          #40
                                          I never flew this one with .46 OS engines. I lost one on takeoff roll and the P factor was so great, it made me scared to fly it!!! I didn't hurt the plane, but I did need a beer and a shot of Jose to settle me down!!! LOL I will change this to electric if I can get around to it! This was before gyros were popular and useable in fixed wing stuff... Anyway, good luck on the one from Tower!!!!!!!!!! :-)

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