IR Battle Systems?...... Heng Long 6.0 vs Tamiya

[Arcright]

Ok thanks better give it some thought as where we intend to run has a lot of soft cover

[Rubicon99]

Sorry slightly off topic but can any of the experienced IR battlers give me an idea of the best place to have the IR emitter. My first thoughts was to fit in the end of the barrel but that will stop me having a flash LED in it, I can use the redundant LED holder in the mantle but not sure if that’s the next best place?

There is no one “best place” for the emitter. Like many others I have some of mine in the barrels and some in the mantle. I prefer the barrel for my more heavily used battling tanks as it has a the sole advantage of be able to poke through brush or window/whole while enabling the receiver to be covered and thus making the tank very hard to hit (yes it is a fair “sniper like” tactic used by many). Other then this occasionally used tactic there is no huge advantage for a barrel emitter over a mantle emitter.

The one MUST is to ensure that the emitter can move up and down. Quite often it is necessary to adjust aim for different terrain and types of tanks because the location of their receivers could require aiming higher or lower to score hits on them.

[Arcright]

Sorry slightly off topic but can any of the experienced IR battlers give me an idea of the best place to have the IR emitter. My first thoughts was to fit in the end of the barrel but that will stop me having a flash LED in it, I can use the redundant LED holder in the mantle but not sure if that’s the next best place?

[Beeg]

And yours plug right into the HL plug in the turret?

The stock Heng Long "turret" plug is a 3 wire JST-XH. This "Heng Long compatible" unit requires 2 extra wires for power and by using a 5 pin JST-XH plug is one way to do the install but using other methods would work as well.

This is the main thread that describes the unit and initial testing. My install for the HL Sherman is shown on post #51 of this thread.
https://www.hobbysquawk.com/forum/rc...r-test-results

[HDMM]

To be clear, the ones that DAKRC are selling is version 0.5, and only work with Tamiya/Clark boards. The ones that Rubicon and I are recommending are a direct replacement for the HL IR receivers, compatible with the HengLong boards and have a range of 75 feet +. This means you won't have to replace the MFU (HL6.0 most likely) or anything else other than the receiver itself.

And yours plug right into the HL plug in the turret?

[Vaseline]

I havnt mounted them yet to give them a test spin yet, but LegoDEI gets them to your door super fast, they look gorgeous( I know how to operate sandpaper...its not rocket surgery). Im looking forward to getting things going

[RCjetdude]

I can also attest to the fact that they work great! Our tanks can now reach out and touch each other at 50-75' in daylight conditions. So much better.

[LegoDEI]

Thanks, I actually have one of those that I bought from DAK RC Tanks. Using that on some of my modified stuff, but a sunshade would be great for the stock HL IR apples for HL vs. HL battle.

To be clear, the ones that DAKRC are selling is version 0.5, and only work with Tamiya/Clark boards. The ones that Rubicon and I are recommending are a direct replacement for the HL IR receivers, compatible with the HengLong boards and have a range of 75 feet +. This means you won't have to replace the MFU (HL6.0 most likely) or anything else other than the receiver itself.

[Rubicon99]

Thanks, I actually have one of those that I bought from DAK RC Tanks. Using that on some of my modified stuff, but a sunshade would be great for the stock HL IR apples for HL vs. HL battle.

LegoDEI makes this new one specially for the 6.0 HL. It works for 6.0 HL vs 6.0 HL vs Tamiya. You don’t loss the ability to fight HL vs HL. The LegoDEI 6.0 HL receivers only make battling more reliable and with longer ranges equal to the high priced Tamiya battle receivers performance.

With the LegoDEI receiver in 6.0 HL tanks they no longer feel like toys, it truly changes the feel of the tanks fighting and actually can be a bit more “fun” then fighting Tamiya vs Tamiya tanks.

I can see the day coming soon when it will be HL setting new standards in IR battling. The LegoDEI receiver shows the new 6.0 system is more then capable of matching Tamiya both in taking and receiving hits equally well. Now if HL would just add in weight classes and damage to their systems it would be a true game changer.

Now the sunshades above do work to improve the basic HL IR receivers. I have tested them and other extensively and I feel they should come as a standard feature. But they are in no way as good performance wise as you will get from the LegoDEI 6.0 HL receivers.

[HDMM]

If you haven't already, you may want to check out this aftermarket receiver developed specifically to address this issue: https://www.hobbysquawk.com/forum/rc...r-test-results

Thanks, I actually have one of those that I bought from DAK RC Tanks. Using that on some of my modified stuff, but a sunshade would be great for the stock HL IR apples for HL vs. HL battle.

[LegoDEI]

Hi Alpha, any chance we can buy these sun shades anywhere?

If you haven't already, you may want to check out this aftermarket receiver developed specifically to address this issue: https://www.hobbysquawk.com/forum/rc...r-test-results

[HDMM]

Usually Squawkers just upload on the forum, then people without printers will upload or send to Shapeways somehow. I'm not familiar with the exact mechanism to upload directly to Shapeways. Perhaps someone can put it on Thingiverse and just backlink here to Hobby Squawk. There are several guys here who have become very proficient this 3DP. Elbee, Dirty Dee, Radar-Guy, and others.

https://www.hobbysquawk.com/forum/rc-airplanes/military-jets/186270-official-freewing-f-a-18c-hornet-90mm-edf-thread/page167

I threw this together tonight. Testing over the weekend. It's intended to house a reflector inside the cover, and uses angled slits to reduce overhead glare with minimal reception loss. I'll have to paint it black first, though!

Hi Alpha, any chance we can buy these sun shades anywhere?

[Rubicon99]

I will be getting my hands on a couple the new production IR receivers in the next day or so for final review. The prototypes have been performing excellently so I have high hope for the final production version.

[Alpha]

Hammer Absolutely, Hammer, we've got it on our radar. We intend to have them on our shelves as soon as the factory is able to make it happen.

[Hammer]

Alpha, any chance the HL T34/85 pro model can be added to your offerings?

[karltrek]

I have stumbled upon a solution for the receiver sensitivity issue described here. ~half a year ago I designed an aftermarket IR receiver that is tested to be reliable at distances of >70 feet even under mid-day sun, retailing for only ~30 dollars targeted towards Clark/Tamiya/IBU control boards since genuine Tamiya apples retail for such a ridiculous price. It has been extensively tested at the LA venue and adopted by many of our tankers here. Recently I was able to test it with a HL6.0 system and have found that it works to a comparable level of reliability. The only downside is that it currently requires a minor wiring swap for HL boards due to the different pin ordering on the IR receiver socket; available currently in partnership with DAK RC: https://dakrctank.com/shop/ir-battle-receiver-apple/. If there's sufficient interest I can provide a version to be directly compatible (plug and play, no modifications needed) with the HL6.0 board within the next month or so.

My group of friends with new Heng Long tanks will buy at least 6 units.

[Rubicon99]

UPDATE:

A new IR receiver is becoming available from an aftermarket company that addresses many of the shortcomings of the stock IR receiver and should greatly improve the compatibility of IR battling with other brands of industry leading RC tanks.

For further see thread entitled: “New compatible Heng Long 6.0 IR receiver test results”

[Rubicon99]

Bump

[fastphil]

Thanks for the insight Rubicon, like Alpha chimed in..."words of wisdom"!

[Alpha]

That’s why the 8-9mm recommendation is so popular. It generally provides a good balance of speed, accuracy and reduced beam cone.

IR beam back splash/shotgunning/cone are things that one learns to work around and with. Once you know it’s there and expect it.

This is wisdom!