Admiral RX600SP 6-channel DSMX with Stability Plus Gyro

[xviper]

Most of my attention today was on the gear. Seems I lost one of the fixed gear mounts so fixed gear is no longer an option, but I THINK I got the retracts functional at least to the point where they lock in the down position, which means flight can be attempted.

Since I had the wing off I was able to watch the rx as the gear was going up and down, and it was in that watching that I could see the recovery mode kicking in at a certain time as the gear went down or up. By adjusting the gear travel to THAT exact percentage, I then had recovery and the ability to switch it on and off at the H switch. Unfortunately, that meant the gear was somewhere in the middle, and that is not acceptable.

So, does anyone here use this rx with retracts and is there a work around? Any way to assign the recovery function somewhere other then gear? Thinking here, I see smoke coming out of my ears...Maybe it will be easier to put the gear servo into a different rx port... Comments?

It is imprudent to have the retracts and the mode on the same switch. You should plug your retracts into AUX2 (bind) and configure another switch to activate the gear. In my case, I used a 3-pos switch just ahead of the gear switch as I didn't want to use the only other 2-pos switch for it since I reserve that for "throttle cut". Just know that when you use a 3-pos switch for retracts, that you should NOT stop in the middle position - just flip through it. I run my 70mm Yak 130 this way. All channels are used while leaving the "gear" port empty. Although I have the Lemon version of this RX, the Yak has always worked flawlessly. This RX should work the same way.

[Ricky R]

Most of my attention today was on the gear. Seems I lost one of the fixed gear mounts so fixed gear is no longer an option, but I THINK I got the retracts functional at least to the point where they lock in the down position, which means flight can be attempted.

Since I had the wing off I was able to watch the rx as the gear was going up and down, and it was in that watching that I could see the recovery mode kicking in at a certain time as the gear went down or up. By adjusting the gear travel to THAT exact percentage, I then had recovery and the ability to switch it on and off at the H switch. Unfortunately, that meant the gear was somewhere in the middle, and that is not acceptable.

So, does anyone here use this rx with retracts and is there a work around? Any way to assign the recovery function somewhere other then gear? Thinking here, I see smoke coming out of my ears...Maybe it will be easier to put the gear servo into a different rx port... Comments?

[Ricky R]

Well, the plane is on the table again. Been working on the retracts-getting ready to throw in the towel and just put the fixed gear on. Faulty gear means no flight.

Checked the recovery mode. Not working. At least that won't necessarily stop the flight. Don't stress over it. I'm not. I have plenty to fly. If the wind would go away...

[Ricky R]

You go in to servo setup, scroll over and can select which channels to review. Example if you did your alierons left but the right alieron on the plane came up, you would reverse that channel.

Your mixing is set up H-GER 5%? Post pictures of your radios setup?

Thanks for trying to help. I didn't mean to imply that I didn't know how to reverse a channel. Not a newbie. Anyway, had the plane at a club meeting last night for show and tell so it's still in the car, and I just got up. I'll get back to it and you later on. BTW, yes on the radio setup, though I have fooled around with the percentages a little.
Rick

[thisguy65]

So it started to work again, but later, it didn't again. How would I know if I was reversing the gear channel? I have it on the 2 position switch opposite the H switch. Gear goes up, gear goes down.

You go in to servo setup, scroll over and can select which channels to review. Example if you did your alierons left but the right alieron on the plane came up, you would reverse that channel.

Your mixing is set up H-GER 5%? Post pictures of your radios setup?

[Ricky R]

I've got 6 of these and they always work. Try it again, just humor me. Before you do though, are you reversing the gear channel?

So it started to work again, but later, it didn't again. How would I know if I was reversing the gear channel? I have it on the 2 position switch opposite the H switch. Gear goes up, gear goes down.

[thisguy65]

Already did that once. Temporary fix

Prefer blue. Like you said-doesn't matter

Gear switch also controls the gear. Mechanical retracts

I've got 6 of these and they always work. Try it again, just humor me. Before you do though, are you reversing the gear channel?

[Ricky R]

flip on recover and start changing the mixing until the it switches.

Let go down the list:
Delete model, make new

Drip switches are correct? Yes
Using Beginner recover (blue led) (doesn't matter if green or blue)
Add mixing. If you have to reverse the gear switch, you need to use -5%. If you didn't reverse the gear switch it's +5%

Already did that once. Temporary fix

Prefer blue. Like you said-doesn't matter

Gear switch also controls the gear. Mechanical retracts

[thisguy65]

I did, and no joy. BTW, this model is a Hughes Racer and it has retracts. Like I said, when I made a new model at the advice of Motion RC's Wayne, it worked, but shortly after, it stopped working.

flip on recover and start changing the mixing until the it switches.

Let go down the list:
Delete model, make new
Drip switches are correct?
Using Beginner recover (blue led) (doesn't matter if green or blue)
Add mixing. If you have to reverse the gear switch, you need to use -5%. If you didn't reverse the gear switch it's +5%

[Woodcock]

I did, and no joy. BTW, this model is a Hughes Racer and it has retracts. Like I said, when I made a new model at the advice of Motion RC's Wayne, it worked, but shortly after, it stopped working.

Make Sure your dip switches are ON ON OFF! Watch Pilot Ryans Vid, and follow along step by step.

Woody

[Ricky R]

Rick, do me a favor and in the mixing menu where you set the 5%...set it at -5% and try it again.

I did, and no joy. BTW, this model is a Hughes Racer and it has retracts. Like I said, when I made a new model at the advice of Motion RC's Wayne, it worked, but shortly after, it stopped working.

[Ricky R]

Are you actually referring to a Spektrum 636 receiver, since you used the term AS3X? AS3X is a term that is proprietary to Spektrum. Since this thread is about the Admiral with gyro and "recovery" mode (some call it "auto-balance"), can I assume you are talking about this? Mostly of these sorts of RXs (Admiral/Lemon) when equipped with recovery/auto-balance has a step in the set up whereby you need to hold the plane perfectly level while in a particular programming mode. I've had one such plane where it actually worked flawlessly all the time. The rest, the recovery mode either didn't work at all or the plane went crazy when the switch was thrown. I've never bothered with that mode since.

Definitely the Admiral. I sometimes use terms interchangeably. This is a new plane and new setup and new receiver. I think it just has to have the bugs worked out.

[xviper]

I just wish mine would stay set the way it is supposed to stay. It's bound up right, as3x works, but flip the switch ( H ) for recovery mode and I get nothing. Made a new model on my DX8 and it started working, but shortly after it stopped working. WHat am I doing wrong??

Are you actually referring to a Spektrum 636 receiver, since you used the term AS3X? AS3X is a term that is proprietary to Spektrum. Since this thread is about the Admiral with gyro and "recovery" mode (some call it "auto-balance"), can I assume you are talking about this? Mostly of these sorts of RXs (Admiral/Lemon) when equipped with recovery/auto-balance has a step in the set up whereby you need to hold the plane perfectly level while in a particular programming mode. I've had one such plane where it actually worked flawlessly all the time. The rest, the recovery mode either didn't work at all or the plane went crazy when the switch was thrown. I've never bothered with that mode since.

[thisguy65]

I just wish mine would stay set the way it is supposed to stay. It's bound up right, as3x works, but flip the switch ( H ) for recovery mode and I get nothing. Made a new model on my DX8 and it started working, but shortly after it stopped working. WHat am I doing wrong??

Rick, do me a favor and in the mixing menu where you set the 5%...set it at -5% and try it again.

[Ricky R]

Cool.............just learned something new about these Admirals. That is a function that separates them from their OEM(Lemon) version.

Hey Warbird! Not all of them have it, but the ones that do should be able to behave kind of like the SAFE select receivers in a lot of the BNF models out these days. Mine is giving my fits though...:)

[Ricky R]

recovery mode exaggerates the correction, henceforth you will know if they are right. Example put aircraft nose down and flip into recovery, you should then see an up elevator deflection. That indicates your correction direction is indeed correct. It's easier to see what the corrections are in recovery than not. That's why I said it. Obviously you don't have to keep it in recovery mode just it's useful in making sure your gyro is setup properly.

I just wish mine would stay set the way it is supposed to stay. It's bound up right, as3x works, but flip the switch ( H ) for recovery mode and I get nothing. Made a new model on my DX8 and it started working, but shortly after it stopped working. WHat am I doing wrong??

[xviper]

In your experience is it better to control gains from the radio versus receiver?

I like being able to control from the TX using the rotary knob, BUT this requires a gyro device that has a remote master capability and I don't know if this RX does. Check out the videos. Of course the rotary can be assigned to any port.
The big advantage to having to set the gains manually on the device is that once you have it right, you forget about it. On a rotary, you may forget where the dial needs to be for that model and you have to play with it a bit on each first flight of the day.

[sfmadmax]

All gyros are the same in the sense that they should respond a certain way when set up. I believe one of the recent "how to" videos done by Motion on these stabs show what you need to do. First and foremost is to make sure the wing type is dialed in on the gyro/Rx and not on the TX (should be on normal wing/tail). Make sure your stick responses are correct. Then you must ensure the gyro responses are in the correct direction by maxing out the gains so it's easier to see. For example, when you move the plane quickly in the roll axis, you should see the ailerons move (very quickly) in the direction that will counteract the first movement. IE, if you roll it to the right, you should see the right aileron go down and the left one go up. Same goes for elevator - tilt the plane nose down and you should see the elevator respond UP to counter. It's very quick so you must watch carefully. Rudder is the same - move the plane right and the rudder goes left. Once you determine that the responses are correct, you then reduce the gains to a minimal amount and still see a small response. When you finally get it in the air, go several mistakes high and gradually increase speed to max but be prepared to back off as soon as you see the plane begin to shake. It's the AIL that will start first, then the elevator and the rudder is the least affected by high gain. If you have the gain on a master knob, it's easier for someone to work the knob for you and dial it back quickly if needed. Another solution is to have the gyro on a switch so you can turn it OFF as soon as you see it shake and get the "WTF" moment.

Ahhh,, makes sense!!! finally.. ok... so i'll need to the gains up on he receiver and check them each! Then I'll turn the back minimal and go from there.. So it sounds like it makes more sense to set the receiver up in the combo that supports turning the gyro on/off, perhaps...... I'l leave it in Combo A for now , ensure the gyro is good by turning the gains up and then dial them back to about 25% and go from there :)

In your experience is it better to control gains from the radio versus receiver?

[Woodcock]

Thanks for the feedback , understand better now.
so with the admiral is there an easy way to check if my gyro is working ??? I'm not talking about the recovery feature. Just the gyro in general, for example if I wiggle the plane should I see movement in the alierons. ???

This is my first admiral, I've always have spektrums

Watch and study these setup Videos. Spend a little time with this, you'll be glad you did. A malconfigured Gyro will kill your plane for sure.

https://www.motionrc.com/collections/receivers/products/admiral-rx600sp-6-channel-dsmx-compatible-receiver-with-6-axis-stabilizer#video-tab

Woody

[xviper]

Thanks for the feedback , understand better now.
so with the admiral is there an easy way to check if my gyro is working ??? I'm not talking about the recovery feature. Just the gyro in general, for example if I wiggle the plane should I see movement in the alierons. ???

This is my first admiral, I've always have spektrums

All gyros are the same in the sense that they should respond a certain way when set up. I believe one of the recent "how to" videos done by Motion on these stabs show what you need to do. First and foremost is to make sure the wing type is dialed in on the gyro/Rx and not on the TX (should be on normal wing/tail). Make sure your stick responses are correct. Then you must ensure the gyro responses are in the correct direction by maxing out the gains so it's easier to see. For example, when you move the plane quickly in the roll axis, you should see the ailerons move (very quickly) in the direction that will counteract the first movement. IE, if you roll it to the right, you should see the right aileron go down and the left one go up. Same goes for elevator - tilt the plane nose down and you should see the elevator respond UP to counter. It's very quick so you must watch carefully. Rudder is the same - move the plane right and the rudder goes left. Once you determine that the responses are correct, you then reduce the gains to a minimal amount and still see a small response. When you finally get it in the air, go several mistakes high and gradually increase speed to max but be prepared to back off as soon as you see the plane begin to shake. It's the AIL that will start first, then the elevator and the rudder is the least affected by high gain. If you have the gain on a master knob, it's easier for someone to work the knob for you and dial it back quickly if needed. Another solution is to have the gyro on a switch so you can turn it OFF as soon as you see it shake and get the "WTF" moment.