Looking to move into a new EDF

[AkumaZeto]

total loss on foam. something critical on each piece that does not warrant a cobble repair. I scrapped everything I could. Edf blades of course snapped but there are extras in box. It is like 140 bucks worth of foam I need.

[F106DeltaDart]

I actually bought both. The 262 bit the dust hard on the second flight. Need ll new foam. It was not the plane it was me. I was actually flying it well albeit FAST and I lost orientation and it ducked behind a poll barn. Lost site of it and SMASH!

Scared of the FW86 right now.Still sits new in box.

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you have better luck with the Sabre. How's the damage? Hopefully it is fixable.

[AkumaZeto]

I actually bought both. The 262 bit the dust hard on the second flight. Need ll new foam. It was not the plane it was me. I was actually flying it well albeit FAST and I lost orientation and it ducked behind a poll barn. Lost site of it and SMASH!

Scared of the FW86 right now.Still sits new in box.

[Evoman]

I have also been reading all the reviews and researching EDF warbirds lately to see which ones would be a great first EDF. From what I have found it seems like either the F-86 Sabre or the A-10 Thunderbolt are best options. Both planes seem to be great stable platforms but it is the Sabre that also produces that realistic turbine sound in the Freewing F-86 90mm that I like the best.
However before I finally decide to buy it I want to become familiar with the F-86 Sabres flight characteristics first. The best method I have found to become familiar with a plane is to fly it first on a combat flight simulator. The best one I have found so far for ease of use and huge variety of WWII - Korean Era warbirds is War Thunder. It is a free to play cross-platform online MMO combat game for PC, PS4, Mac and Linux. It is because of War Thunder that I found how much I liked flying the F6F Hellcat which led me to buying my first RC airplane and getting in to the hobby when I discovered they made an RC model of the Hellcat.
I am eager to get to fly the F-86 and the ME-262 when I finally unlock them to see just how great these warbirds performed. I have found War Thunder to be a great learning method to become familiar with any particular warbird it features. For more info about War Thunder and to download it go to warthunder.com

Anyone that is still considering an ME 262 should see this video review first.
I have included a very informative review link of the ME-262 in War Thunder. The review mentions a very important design flaw the ME-262 has that affects the flight dynamics and should be taken in to consideration.

[AkumaZeto]

I just dont go there anymore. They are all old timers which is cool but I wont defend my choices to them lol. They are the types who yell if you dont drive American cars too

[farmflyer]

It's their loss. While they're cleaning their stuff up put in another battery have another good flight go home and charge your batteries.

[AkumaZeto]

I get the FRIENDS DONT LET FRIENDS FLY FOAM!

[F106DeltaDart]

I am a AMA flyer but my local club is all snobs and they make me feel bad when I go there because of the foam. So I am left to fly on dead end roads or football fields. It really is demoralizing.

Sorry to hear that. I have had similar situations with Helis at clubs and ended up flying at a park. However, I must say that sometimes persistence can be a good thing trying to fly at a club that believes only balsa/gas airplanes are "real" RC planes. My local club here in MN was that way when I first started going there. I kept hearing "its just a foamy" and other similar comments. However, a lot changed when I started bringing FMS warbirds. They started to realize that the "cheap foamy" was more detailed, more scale, and flew better than many of their big balsa gassers. If they nagged on me about having a foam plane, I nagged on them about having a 2 blade prop and fixed tailwheel on their big gasser P-51. Four years later about half the club is flying foam electrics now. So, don't be quick to give up. The "I only fly balsa/gas" types aren't going to be able to hang on to that idea forever..

[Flygirl]

I went AMA for the inserurance as a PARK FLYER. I wanted to cover my ass in the event something happened. I decided to pickup the sabre and the 262

Two! Both! Gonna be a fun summer!

[Mizer67]

I was asking because if turns need to be generally wider than I will need to find a new space to fly.

Turns are a bit wider, yes, due to higher speeds. My point was generally though that you're able to make one tight turn with EDFs without burning up too much energy to risk a stall, provided you're up to speed beforehand. EDFs take longer to accelerate than a prop. Turns aren't the same radii as a prop. driven plane, but it's not hugely different in my opinion (at least with the two EDFs I fly) but my prop driven planes are faster than average also (70 - 90 mph).

However, regardless of your space you could fly in a very limited area if you concentrated on the vertical plane. For instance, instead of horizontal turns use Cuban 8's or split S's to change direction. EDFs have more limited vertical due to the lower power to weight ratios, but in this way you generally have unlimited space vertically (if you have sufficient speed or thrust) unless your field has a vertical height restriction.

If you have a limited flying space EDFs could be a challenge. Gradual turns are necessary at slower speeds for certain and more so than others with some airframes.

[AkumaZeto]

I went AMA for the inserurance as a PARK FLYER. I wanted to cover my ass in the event something happened. I decided to pickup the sabre and the 262

[Flygirl]

I'm AMA and FAA but don't fly at an AMA field. Like CZ Flyer, I want fun people who aren't crabby about whether you have foam planes, quadcopters, or like FPV. We have been auditioning local AMA clubs but so far we like flying by ourselves. Going to try a new one out this weekend though I hope. See what they are like...

[CZ Flyer]

so basically you need to carry lots of speed to retain authority over the surfaces. To many turns equals slower momentum equals stall. I was asking because if turns need to be generally wider than I will need to find a new space to fly. I am a AMA flyer but my local club is all snobs and they make me feel bad when I go there because of the foam. So I am left to fly on dead end roads or football fields. It really is demoralizing.

Dang man! That's exactly why I haven't gone ama yet. Always a few douchebags at the field. I like "fun flyers" myself, even if the field isn't perfect.(I am, at least, FAA registered.) Ron

[Flygirl]

I am a AMA flyer but my local club is all snobs and they make me feel bad when I go there because of the foam. So I am left to fly on dead end roads or football fields. It really is demoralizing.

That's a shame....

[fhhuber]

Try this:

Play race with an EDF model and a roughly 2/3 of equal watts and equal weight conventional prop model. (it takes 50% more watts with EDF to get the same performance as conventional prop)

Have the first run making turns as tight as the prop plane would normally make laps.
Then another run with double the radius turns.

You will note that the prop plane eats the EDF for lunch first run.
Second run its a real race.

[AkumaZeto]

so basically you need to carry lots of speed to retain authority over the surfaces. To many turns equals slower momentum equals stall. I was asking because if turns need to be generally wider than I will need to find a new space to fly. I am a AMA flyer but my local club is all snobs and they make me feel bad when I go there because of the foam. So I am left to fly on dead end roads or football fields. It really is demoralizing.

[Mizer67]

Edfs in general need wide turns correct? Cant exactly bank and yank

In my experience, I don't see much difference with the circumference of the initial turn-in, when you account for speed differences (EDFs being typically faster).

However, you can only make a handful of tight turns, etc. then you start to lose control authority as you've burned your stored energy (speed or altitude) and there's no prop wash over the control surfaces so they lose effectiveness.

Practically, EDFs get mushy on the controls sooner and need more control throw as a result and in my experience (in stock form, except for ailerons given the typical swept wing configs.)

A typical stock EDF will eventually stall whereas an (overpowered) prop plane like some warbirds can turn tightly indefinitely by hanging on the prop thrust.

Most EDFs are harder to get to 1.5 to 1 thrust to weight or higher, where it'd be a more accurate comparison though too, but you'd still have the thrust coming from the opposite end.

[AkumaZeto]

where is a good place to get lipos for it. I know motion rc has them but at 75-100 a pop thats a ton and I would likely only get one lol

[F106DeltaDart]

How tight can the Saber turn? Edfs in general need wide turns correct? Cant exactly bank and yank

Turns really aren't all that different from flying a warbird. Same basic guidelines, just don't bank and pull full elevator immediatly. If you keep your flying even somewhat scale, this won't be an issue.

[AkumaZeto]

How tight can the Saber turn? Edfs in general need wide turns correct? Cant exactly bank and yank