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  • paladin
    model customizer since 1968

    • Jul 2017
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    #101
    jasons has two planes that apply to the power system I suggested his edge540 has a ntm 5060-380 on 6s5a20c turning a 15x10 that scoots right along and has done 8-10 minutes. also a 5060-380 on the 6s5a20c turning a 17x7 that move right along and has don 8-10 minutes. the problem I have with a prop off a foamie is that foamie life is ~ 8 years then the stop making them, i don't have a problem with a smaller than scale prop on the ground as long as it flys well.

    the destruction show that we have to glue in the pilot and canopy with hatches for and aft of him. the aft hatch for the E and R servos so by leaving out/modifying the pilot the entire area could be available for batteries its just what that 3# of battery will do to it.

    Joe
    Platt: fw190d9 Dynaflite:PT-19 IMP:Macchi202 ESM:fw190 ESM:Tank, Hien Jackson:DH-2 BH:macchi200 Extr:fw190 Holman:me109F H9spit2 FL:F4u,spit 9 FW:me262 GP:us60, Stuka, cub, F4u PZ:me109, albi EF Hurri, T-28 FMS: 2x fw190, me109 Lone Star:Skat Kat RSCombat:2xfw190d9

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    • Spinnetti
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      • Sep 2019
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      #102
      Well, Now that I've finished the landing gear for the He-111, its time for the Do-335 I suppose. When will this come in?
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      • Twowingtj
        If It Flys, I'll Try It

        • Dec 2016
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        #103
        Spinnetti Nice work! Looking forward to see what you come up with. Any thoughts on the nose gear?


        Joe, looks like auto-correct did a real number on your post.

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        • Spinnetti
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          #104
          Originally posted by Twowingtj
          Spinnetti Nice work! Looking forward to see what you come up with. Any thoughts on the nose gear?


          Joe, looks like auto-correct did a real number on your post.
          Sure. I've got lots of pics at NASM and same when it was in Germany - liked that plane for at least 30 years now... Here's what the front gear looks like, though I haven't fully detailed it out yet. I also designed it for machining it, so will modify it for a hybrid metal/3d printed version for the Blackhorse scale eventually which will be more detailed.
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          • IfIHadWings
            Eat, fly, dream, repeat.

            • Jan 2015
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            #105
            Fantastic!!
            GP Sport Zero, scratch built MA Sky Skimmer, VQ SBD, Eflite Pulse XT & RV-9, FW Stinger 64, Hanger 9 Saratoga, GP P6-E Hawk, FMS Stuka & B-25, Lanyu Do335, PZ Albatros, Eflite Hurricane 25e, Airfield F4-U, Freewing P-51D, Dynam Tempest, Bf-110 & 182, GWS Mustang & Formosa, FZ Switch, Eflite L-4, RocHobby Critical Mass, Alien Aircraft Gadget, RCM&E scratch built CanDoo, Dynaflite Piece O’Cake, HK Ventus, FZ Beaver, Avios Sea Fury, Uravitch 52" OV-10, Herr Engineering J-3

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            • paladin
              model customizer since 1968

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              #106
              Originally posted by Twowingtj
              Spinnetti Nice work! Looking forward to see what you come up with. Any thoughts on the nose gear?


              Joe, looks like auto-correct did a real number on your post.
              haha, sorry. I call them "destructions" cause most don't look at them till they painted into a corner.

              Joe
              Platt: fw190d9 Dynaflite:PT-19 IMP:Macchi202 ESM:fw190 ESM:Tank, Hien Jackson:DH-2 BH:macchi200 Extr:fw190 Holman:me109F H9spit2 FL:F4u,spit 9 FW:me262 GP:us60, Stuka, cub, F4u PZ:me109, albi EF Hurri, T-28 FMS: 2x fw190, me109 Lone Star:Skat Kat RSCombat:2xfw190d9

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              • Twowingtj
                If It Flys, I'll Try It

                • Dec 2016
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                #107
                We've been talking a bit about going 6S and using scale size props and all. While that's all good, I have a feeling that this bird is a lot like a Stuka. No matter how much power you pour into it, it's only going so fast.

                Since fellow Squawker Terminater007 had one, I asked what he had used. He said "here's what i used -
                2x SK3-5045 500kv
                2x 80amp esc
                Castle Bec Pro
                6s 5000 mah
                APC 14x7 prop at the front and a 14x 8.5 counter clockwise at rear." and he got 4 mins of flight time.

                So, giving some seroius thought toward the joy of simply being able to fly the Do-335 for reasonable flight time and good performance, I will likely change direction.
                One of my favorite daily flyers is a Sig T-Clips running an E-Flite Power 32, running an APC 13x6.5 on a 4S 4000mah. I get 6.5 - 7.5 mins of spirited flying and it goes like a pylon racer.

                The Admiral GP5 4220-770kv motors are virually identical to the Power 32s. Two of those with the same batteries and props as the T-Clips, I think, would fly this bird very well. And have great flight times. It would also keep the weight down. Maybe not the best for scale, but the "fun factor" would be way up there.

                She's a little heavier than 2X the T-Clips, so may have to think on it a little longer......

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                • paladin
                  model customizer since 1968

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                  #108
                  ok, here are some e calcs of each of the options we have on the table. I have not yet found the flight line motors on ecalc. let me know the perameters you want changed and I will run a new one and post.
                  Platt: fw190d9 Dynaflite:PT-19 IMP:Macchi202 ESM:fw190 ESM:Tank, Hien Jackson:DH-2 BH:macchi200 Extr:fw190 Holman:me109F H9spit2 FL:F4u,spit 9 FW:me262 GP:us60, Stuka, cub, F4u PZ:me109, albi EF Hurri, T-28 FMS: 2x fw190, me109 Lone Star:Skat Kat RSCombat:2xfw190d9

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                  • ghethco
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                    • Dec 2019
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                    #109
                    I built Al Masters' 70" Do 335 back in the 80s, sweet flying model and very different. Tracks straight as, well, an arrow :-) I took over selling Al Masters' plans many years ago, the 335 has enduring appeal, that's for sure. I'm working on a 60" version, re-designed in CAD for electric power. I have a build thread for that design on rcscalebuilder.com. I still sell plans and short kits for the 81" and 60" versions for those that want to build (sadly a shrinking minority). I would probably buy the Black Hawk ARF, if nothing else to have one that I could fly with impunity :-)

                    Gary

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                    • Alpha
                      Former Motion RC Staff

                      • Feb 2015
                      • 4110
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                      #110
                      It's finally here, everyone. Thanks for expressing your interest in this bird, and thanks for allowing us the time to tweak it to our liking. It's in stock today and ready to ship!

                      https://www.motionrc.com/collections...335-1724mm-arf


                      Since this original "Request" thread here has served its purpose, I'm now closing it. Please continue the discussion on the Official thread here:

                      https://www.hobbysquawk.com/forum/rc...l-arrow-thread

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