Official Black Horse 2255mm BF 109G ARF Thread

[Aros]

Messerschmitt BF 109G 2255mm (89") Wingspan from Black Horse - Balsa Wood ARF - BHM1018-001

Immerse yourself in the rich history and advanced technology of the Messerschmitt BF 109, a German World War II fighter aircraft that played a crucial role in the Luftwaffe's success. From its debut in 1937 during the Spanish Civil War to its continued service until the end of the war in 1945, the BF 109 proved to be one of the most revolutionary fighters of its time. Its all-metal monocoque construction, closed canopy, and retractable landing gear all added to its unmatched performance, powered by a liquid-cooled, inverted-V12 aero engine.

Experience the power and precision of this legendary aircraft in model scale from Black Horse! Scaled to approximately 1:6 with attention paid to a true to original appearance with favorable flight characteristics. The model can be operated using an electric power system or with an internal combustion engine about 60cc displacement.

Scale Simulated Covering The printing and covering on the BF 109G has scale rivet and panel line detail and weathering that elevates the model to a whole new level of scale appeal.

Electric Retractable Landing Gear Adding to the scale appeal, the BF 109G comes with electric retracts with CNC machined oleo struts.

Gas or Electric Power You can choose between gas or electric to power your model depending on your preference. Check the specifications for recommendations.

Large Wingspan This giant scale BF 109G has an impressive 89" wingspan for impressive presence both in the air and on the ground.

Removable Main Wing Easy assembly and intuitive design allows for the main wing to be removed for transport.

Detailed Cockpit and Pilot The painted pilot and detailed cockpit provides that extra layer of scale detail that is sure to impress during states of static display.

Features:

• Electric retractable gear with oleo CNC suspension metal struts
• High level of prefabrication right out of the box
• Lightweight, strong, laser cut balsa and plywood construction
• Panel lines and details printed directly onto the pre-applied, high quality covering
• Aerofoiled tail surfaces
• Recessed hinges on all control surfaces
• Pre-drilled hinge mounting holes
• Heavy-duty pin hinges on all control surfaces
• Large easy access fuel tank/battery/servo access hatches with sprung loaded latches
• Painted and detailed cockpit, pilot and interior included
• Fiberglass control horns with ball link connector
• comprehensive control and fitting accessories included
• Two-piece, plug-in wings simplify transportation and assembly
• Fiberglass cowl and glass reinforced landing gear covers/pants
• Mounts for both electric and gas power options included

Includes:

• Black Horse Messerschmitt BF 109G 2255mm (89") Wingspan - ARF
• Electric retractable gear with oleo CNC suspension metal struts
• Instruction manual

Requires (Electric):

• 7 Channel radio - select a minimum 7 channel radio from our Radio Collection
• 7 Channel receiver - select a minimum 7 channel receiver from our Receiver Collection
• 180-185Kv Brushless Outrunner Motor - we recommend the Admiral GP60 8925-180Kv Brushless Motor
• 85-120 Amp Brushless ESC - we recommend ZTW Skyhawk 130A ESC High Voltage with 10A SBEC
• 8x high torque servos - we recommend 8 Hitec HS-645MG Ultra Torque Ball Bearing Metal Gear Standard Servos
• For 12S setup TWO 6 Cell 22.2V 5500 - 6000mAh LiPo Batteries with EC5 connector in series - we recommend Admiral Pro 6000mAh 6S 22.2V 50C LiPo Battery with EC5 Connector Multi-Pack (2 Batteries)
• 2 to 1 EC5 series adapter - we recommend Admiral EC5 2 to 1 Series Adapter
• Electric propeller - we recommend a APC 22x12E propeller
• 6 Cell compatible battery charger - select a minimum 6 cell (6S) charger from our Charger Collection

Requires (Gas):

• Engine: 60cc gas
• Gas Propeller: 22x8

Customer Note
Black Horse ARF models are constructed out of balsa wood and plywood. These are not foam models. The assembly of balsa wood ARF aircraft requires basic model building skills including the installation of servos, ESC, and motor (or gas engine). Product Specifications:

AGE LEVEL :14 and up
SKILL LEVEL :intermediate
BUILD TIME :6+ hours

Model Scale	1:6 Scale
Wingspan	2300mm / 90.5in
Length	1837mm /72.3in
Weight	8999g / 19.8lbs
CG (Center of Gravity)	128mm from the leading edge of the wing at the root
Wing Area	90.2dm2
Wing Loading	95.34 g/dm2
Power System	180Kv Brushless Outrunner Motor or 60cc 2 or 4-stroke (required)
Electronic Speed Control	HV 120A (required for electric)
Propeller / EDF	22x12 for electric, 22x8 for gas (required)
Servos	Electric - 8x 45g standard (required) - we recommend HRC32645S Gas - 9x 45g standard (required) - we recommend HRC32645S
Landing Gear	CNC machined oleo gear (tri-gear)
Required Battery	TWO 6 Cell 22.2V 5500-6000 mAh LiPo Batteries with EC5 connector in series (required for electric)
Required Radio	6+ Channel (required)
Ailerons	Yes
Elevator	Yes
Rudder	Yes
Flaps	Yes
Lights	Optional
Hinge Type	Nylon Heavy Duty pin hinges
Material	Balsa and plywood
Skill Level	Intermediate
Build Time	6+ Hours
Recommended Environment	Outdoors

[Aros]

Product page (US only):

https://www.motionrc.com/products/black-horse-messerschmitt-bf-109g-2255mm-arf-bhm1018-001

[TGoelzer]

I already ordered mine. Think I was the 1st one this morning to do so?

[Aros]

Nice! Perhaps you were! She's a beaut, would love to have this in my hangar.

[Foxbow]

is there any videos at all of this flying? Would love to see some detail, especially inside canopy areaand retracts

[TwistedGrin]

I saw this bird in the MotionRC eMail this morning......was not listed on the website yet. Later in the morning it was listed on the website......the price a little lower than the other BH 88.9inch warbirds complete with electric retracts, struts and wheels.

by 9:35pm there were two left ......at 9:38 there is one left......my order went through

TwistedGrin

[warbird66]

is there any videos at all of this flying? Would love to see some detail, especially inside canopy areaand retracts

Hi, Yes Type in black horse bf 109 , video on youtube flying in grey skies. looks fantastic.

[TwistedGrin]

Betting on this bird........

My local club has an active membership with a host of master builders......older now and getting increasingly more "crotchety" - LOL , the idea of flying an ARF was simply despised....recently however the newer Black Horse models 89inch Corsair, 102 inch FW-190, 89inch P-47, 93.8inch Zero have proven to be excellent flying models.....exceptional flyers. While the master craftsmen, having no love for the pre-printed weathered covering, have acknowledged the flight performance far outweighs the disdain to the coverings. I suspect the light wing loading of these BH models are much more nimble in flight than some older kits and scratch built monsters weighing in at 30-40lbs.....these new large BH models are considered "floaters" by some.....until they fly them themselves......

Noting there are discrepancies of wingspan and wing loading in their respective Assembly manuals and MotionRC technical info on the website - here is a comparison of Wingspan / Wing Area / Wing Loading:

P-47:
88.9inch Wingspan / 96.47dm2 Wing Area / 120gdm2 Wing Load

A6M Zero:
93.8inch Wingspan / 99.5dm2 Wing Area / 108.5 gdm2 Wing Load

ME BF 109G:
90.5inch Wingspan / 90.2dm2 Wing Area / 95.34gdm2 Wing Load

F4U-1D Corsair:
89.7inch Wingspan / 94.6dm2 Wing Area / 93.02gdm2 Wing Load

eCalc numbers show as follows:
Set up:
26.5lbs all up weight
12s 8000mAh 100c Lipo
Castle 160amp ESC
180Kv motor
12x22 XOAR PJN

Watts per lb: 184 w/lbs
Stall speed: 34mph
Top Speed: 81mph
100% Throttle Amps: 110amps
72% throttle: 50amps
72% throttle: 61mph
72% throttle: 8min flight time
Motor Case Temps: Exceeds 180f degrees at or near 80% throttle

Looks to me we will have to find a way to cool the electric motor by opening up the cowling and pull in some air !!!!!

I am hoping this Me BF 109G flies as well as the other models !!!!

TwistedGrin
Let the floaters float !!

[TwistedGrin]

Wondering why the sales price for this model is a little less than the other warbirds.....perhaps this one has no retractable tailwheel?

TG

[TGoelzer]

Wondering why the sales price for this model is a little less than the other warbirds.....perhaps this one has no retractable tailwheel?

TG

BF109's did not have a retractable tail wheel.

[TwistedGrin]

Correct - hence the price difference perhaps

TwistedGrin

[TwistedGrin]

For those new to Black Horse models lately.....

The airframe is constructed internally of Fiberglass sandwiched plywood....the fuselage I think is sheeted balsa with a resin coated backing, which is covered in the pre-printed vinyl. The wings are Fiberglass sandwiched plywood ribs and bracing with the wing chords covered in sheeted balsa but not resin backed, covered in the pre-printed vinyl.

The production glue looks like Hysol, due to the milky white appearance and hard finish.....but no way to know what glue is used

This makes a very rigid but lightweight airframe.

The wings on this model use a captive clamp in the wing to compress onto short aluminum rods to fasten onto the fuselage wing saddle.....this will make field assembly really easy.

The pre-printed vinyl covering is nicely scale detailed - not overly done - IMO should present nicely in the air.

It ships with three motor box options - one for electric and two for wet fuel motors selections

Bits and hardware parts are bagged separated and labeled for the associated installation

The wings employ two aluminum wing tubes close together - which is probably designed to support the narrow landing gear, while the horizontal stab uses a wing tube for bolt on installation also.

I am hoping some one post up thier flight performance opinion soon.....very curious of course to read how this model flies in comparison to the P-47, AM6 Zero, F4U Corsair

The assembly begins tonight.....may take me a couple weeks to get this bird flight ready

TwistedGrin

[TGoelzer]

TwistedGrin are you going gas or electric? I think I'm going with a DLE55RA.

Another question is this model really a 1/6 scale. If I'm doing the math correctly??? I'm roughly coming up with 4.39 as the scale (1/4)

I'm going to order a few extra decals from Callie. So I'm trying to figure out what scale to actually order from her?

[Aros]

Please feel free to let me know if the scale is off so I can edit the page. Thanks!

[TwistedGrin]

I am going electric set up same as my Hanger9 Oscar, BH F4U Corsair......180Kv 60cc motor / 160amp ESC / Dual 6s LiPo in series for 12S power / 22x12 XOAR prop

eCalc online application software is usually pretty close to physical values and is showing the following:
Watts per lb: 184 w/lbs
Stall speed: 34mph
Top Speed: 81mph
100% Throttle Amps: 110amps
72% throttle: 50amps
72% throttle: 61mph
72% throttle: 8min flight time
Motor Case Temps: Exceeds 180f degrees at or near 80% throttle

Yes I am concerned about the motor heat......will have to fly it and take temp readings at landing to know for sure. One way to reduce heat is to reduce the load on the motor usually by reducing prop size....however eCalc is providing data that a lower size prop most likely will stall early and also cavitate stall at higher throttle ranges....of course moving to a larger prop size increase the load on the motor and increases the heat.....in Texas 110degrees.....ya heat is an issue for the larger electric birds

TwistedGrin

[TwistedGrin]

ADVISORY NOTICE: Elevator Servo Size

For those of us that did not pay attention to the Assembly manual and after have received the model.....the elevator servos are mounted in the horizontal Stabilizer....thus the size is limited to the opening and servo mount.....the assembly manual plainly states the model requires "2 standard hight torque servos (size 35 x 15)mm elevator

Looking into HiTech products it looks like the best Analog fit is the HS-5085Mg and the best Digital fit is the D-85Mg (size 29x13x30)mm

MotionRC Website does not mention the different size servo required for this model on the WebSite.

TwistedGrin

[TwistedGrin]

ADVISORY NOTICE UPDATE: Elevator Servo Recommendation

"This is a large heavy model and you may be better off using the following servo on the elevator...."

Hitec HS-7245MH High Voltage High Torque Digital Metal Gear Mini Servo

I'll be using Analog servo on my other surfaces....so limited to 6.0v....this means the Elevator servo may be limited to about 5.2 kg/cm (72.21 oz/in) tork.

TwistedGrin

[e4dragongunner]

Hey guys!
I have wanted a 109 forever

Has Blackhorse changed construction methods?

Can I still expect to strip the covering and be rewarded with a balsa sheeted plane?
Looking to Glass and paint!

Thanks !

[TwistedGrin]

Hey guys!
I have wanted a 109 forever

Has Blackhorse changed construction methods?

Can I still expect to strip the covering and be rewarded with a balsa sheeted plane?
Looking to Glass and paint!

Thanks !

The recent Black Horse as well as Phoenix models internal structure bracing and ribs are plywood sandwiched with a fiberglass layer on both sides as noted above in an earlier post. The pre-printed covering is vinyl not - Monocote - so it is very different. The fuselage is a thin layer of balsa that is backed by a layer of printed resin perhaps.....the main wings don't have this inside layer on the balsa sheeting. I have no idea how the vinyl covering removes in large areas.....but for small sections that require epoxy directly to the balsa.....it comes off without the use of heat.

TwistedGrin

[TwistedGrin]

Holy Mackerel Baitman.....the elevator servo installment is tedious fiddlement task.....I was able to get both HS-7245MH servos installed with the supplied longer metal arm...drilled for the servo rod ball joints....the elevator servo pocket had to be opened up just enough for the servo's to fit in....hand drilling and screwing in has to be done really carefully....the elevator servo arm opening needed cut open larger as well.....they were a bugger for me to complete !!!!

TwistedGrin