Black Widow??

[TSHobbies]

just saw photos of the Dynam plane on rcgroups... the dogs are barkin... ruff ruff.... unless Alpha is able to get them to make a lot of changes..looks like I'll be holding out for the next company to try the BW

[Alpha]

I'm on a train between factories at the moment. I'm waiting on confirmation from Dynam which of my Edits will be implemented.

It is worth emphasizing that the Editing process is a normal behind-the-scenes procedure. We went through several iterations of the Freewing A-4 and A-10, for example. With any/every new aircraft, we build in Editing time into our production timelines. It just so happens that Dynam shipped a pre-edit batch of P-61s to other sellers, which is why we're talking about this topic publicly, but the principle of going through a series of edits with a prototype isn't at all out of the ordinary. I must give credit to all factories that take input and incorporate it into the products they ship to Motion RC.

[Pheonix]

I will purchase after the changes Motion insisted. I had rather wait and purchase a quality product as opposed to having to made many changes to get the model flight ready. I have many Dynam planes and know what to expect. I already have three sets of twins. I will look for the pre-order announcement.

[Hardway]

I am almost ashamed to admit it, but almost proud too!! LOL I think I have almost every plastic 1/48 scale model plane from Revell and Monogram that they made in the 80's...... Why not???? LOL All in the box too. After you fly them, why waste space on the shelf! HAA!

[boomer108]

I have one still in the box in my model "archive"...I just don't build anything I can't fly anymore ;)

Same here, I've had it since the seventies. The flyable version will be tempting.

[TiredIronGRB]

Me too, I built many of the plastic version years ago and now I can fly it. :)

I have one still in the box in my model "archive"...I just don't build anything I can't fly anymore ;)

[CFIT rob]

Alpha beta testing...he-he. I too was a model builder kid. To actually fly those shelf bound aircraft not in my imagination but to have them airborne is a thrill that will never get old. The widow and marauder were my favorite allied ww2 twins. One in the air,one on the way. Thanks alpha for giving us these airworthy aircraft. ( supersabre ,F8 crusader tops on my jet list. One in the air, one on the way?).

[RRHandy]

Me too, I built many of the plastic version years ago and now I can fly it. :)

[xplaneguy]

Definitely waiting for "Alphabetized" Version 2! ;)

[Alpha]

I'll state again that I only learned yesterday that Dynam chose to ship those models to those other sellers. Normally, a model goes through several revisions, and these edits are not publicized, because they pertain to pre-production prototypes and by the time the final production model arrives to customers, those revisions are implemented. If I had known earlier that the pre-AlphaEdit version was being shipped to sellers, I would have said something earlier.

[handyman220]

Thanks for the explanation Alpha, I will definitely be looking forward to this plane! The list of changes would be much appreciated so that we know what we have to look forward to vs. what will stay in the current airframe.

Same here, but I was waiting for Motion to list it anyway.

[Piano0412]

Alpha, I would have been glad if you had made this statement one week earlier. I saw the first planes appear last Thursday and ordered one. I would have preferred to have this information - especially a list of issues expected to be handled for V2 - so I could have decided knowing the facts and what can expect. So I really would appreciate if I could see and understand the full list. Thank you!

[fhhuber]

Alpha,
I've had some trouble determining the attitude of an an all-black RC boost/glider of mine. When you flew the pre-production P-61 was it all black and did you have any more trouble determining its attitude than other planes of a similar size?

Any model that is essentially all one dark color will appear as a shadow against certain sky conditions and orientation can quickly become a problem.

A trick that helps is to just drag a 20 ft crepe paper (or surveyor's marking ribbon) streamer while getting used to the airplane. The bright color trailing the aircraft gives you a good indication of orientation. Once you are used to the airplane and learned what it looks like in assorted orientations against different sky conditions you won't need it any more.

[themudduck]

... let's see... lookin at those pictures, I can see that it has:
Decals
Retracts
4 flaps
4-bladed props with spinners
Movable 50-cals
removeable cockpit hatch
white landing lights and colored wingtip lights
cranked wing (possibly)
drop tanks (if they aren't removable I'm sure we could make them removable)
scale scheme




I like it so far! :Love:

[themudduck]

Thank you very much for the pictures and update about the P61 Alpha, that is a really sharp model and will be an excellent addition to the fleet. I can hardly wait for it!
The fact that you're so involved it the process and suggested Dynam make some changes to improve the model is really great. Outstanding!
Does it come with radar? LOL

Alpha please tell us, how did you like the way it flies? I imagine that it was very easy (that large wing area). To Oxotnik - I have flown smaller models of the black P61, and can tell you that since it has such a unique look in the air its very difficult to get disoriented. Just my opinion. I am sure on this model, the landing lights will be helpful as well.

[tclaridge]

Wow, I am impressed with the QA done by Motion. I am a sold customer with my A-10 being my first Motion purchase. Fantastic in detail, construction, and flying. Did I say "wow."

So my two requests for future releases:

1) plastic or vacform cockpit tub to avoid gatoring under canopy. Details can be added to make cockpit really cool too. It is the focal point for static display. Even if this is an option, it is just so cool. Just like the weapons that came on the A-10; not necessary, but a great "wow" detail.
2) Going bigger with foam has convinced me that it is worth the money. My A-10 is a show-stopper at the club. Flies awesome, looks so scale in the air, you cannot tell it from the real thing. Lets see some more giant scale foamies. We know it can be done.

[Oxotnik]

Alpha,
I've had some trouble determining the attitude of an an all-black RC boost/glider of mine. When you flew the pre-production P-61 was it all black and did you have any more trouble determining its attitude than other planes of a similar size?

[F106DeltaDart]

If helpful, I could post a list of the edits, so those current owners are aware of what to expect.

Thanks for the explanation Alpha, I will definitely be looking forward to this plane! The list of changes would be much appreciated so that we know what we have to look forward to vs. what will stay in the current airframe.

[Alpha]

To clear up any confusion, I was the first person in the world to maiden the first EPO molded P-61 --their engineering team asked me to maiden it and evaluate it, as I do for many other models, since I've been involved with the project for over a year. In fact Dynam's owners personally delivered the model to my office in China --they're excellent people. I flew the first EPO molded P-61 150 times and presented a list of edits to Dynam, following the same process we use for collaborations with other manufacturing partners (Freewing, etc). As of this writing, 11/1/2017, the edits I submitted to Dynam are STILL IN PROCESS. In the meantime, I have just learned today from the owner that Dynam produced and shipped a very small quantity of the "Pre-AlphaEdit" version, mostly to Europe and certain online resellers. Photos of these models, and conversations from their new owners, will soon propagate online.

To be clear, the version being delivered this week to those sellers is NOT the version Motion RC will carry. While my test sample flew, there were several key changes I instructed to be made prior to Motion RC ordering the aircraft, and my current schedule has me at the factory later this month to reevaluate what is now essentially a "Version 2". As many of you know, as a matter of principle we do not order a model until we are confident it meets a range of criteria. When the Dynam 1500mm P-61 meets those criteria, we will carry it on our website. If all goes well, our approved version is a post-Christmas arrival, at best. Until then, I've conversed with the Dynam leadership and informed them I would be posting this backstory so early adopters are aware of what they are purchasing, if they do choose to purchase one of these early versions from sellers other than Motion RC.

If helpful, I could post a list of the edits, so those current owners are aware of what to expect.


In the meantime, here are photos I took of my Production Ver #1, back in September.

[ryramZ]

There's mention of a preliminary shipment on RCG...

Apparently some European dealers have accepted a V1 while we are still at work on making necessary changes to ours which evidently will be V2.