Black Widow??

[dkalwishky]

Bitgo IS Dynam US.

[artistwood]

Bitgo hobby is stocking spare parts. I talked with a guy named Jing. Might give them a try...

[artistwood]

Does anyone know where to find spare parts for the Dynam P-61? I'm having no luck at all.

[rifleman_btx]

Sounds like a good buy to me, thanks for the review.:Cool:

[CFIT rob]

Build went great.Good..... All the magnets were perfect, landing gear glued well and passed 17 bench cycles. Wing mounts were solid. All servos worked. Wiring labled (t = throttle, r = rudder etc). No foam dings (that really suprised me) No glue slopped on anything. Wings fit well. Spar went in without issue.
Less then perfect....hoizontal stab bowed(propped up ends and put weight on overnight, all good). What gaps there were i filled in with beacon foam filler.
Bad....Aileron lead coming out of wing is just long enough to make connection to fuse with tools but a challenge with fingers. I pulled lead to see if any slack in wing...nope...pulled extension in wing apart. Had to do minor surgery to remove a cover on bottom of wing to access wiring. Think i cut nav light wire in the process.CA lead together -good to go. Could not get green nav and landinging lights all on at same time. Think its a polaritiy issue. Went with landing lights.
Maiden...70mm CG from leading edge of wing. Three rates on switch (100%travel on servos,75%,50%) landing flaps 100% down,take off 50%. CHL 4s 4000 30c....take off fairly short, couple clicks of down trim. Flew great. Most of flight 1/2 to 3/4 throttle. 8min on timer (used half capacity). Landing used full flaps, a non event. Really looks sinister in the air. For a $250 twin this thing is great. Flys an awful lot like my (RIP) FW P38. Its not a 100mph strega,its not an edge 540. But it is a great looking,great flying ww2 icon.

[rifleman_btx]

Good to hear, and good luck with the maiden

[CFIT rob]

Well...I bought a dynam p 61. Early reports kept me from buying one. As a kid with a room full of models the widow was top 5. Met the guy that owns Bitgo Hobby at NEFI. He said dynam has improved the assembly and unboxed a sample one still in the shipping box. Looked damn good. The wiring is not in the batt compartment any more. The parts were packed well,no damage. Everything looked straight and even. The cowlings some had some gaps,about 1/8 inch halfway around,that's not bad for a $250 twin. I told him i would buy one if i could inspect it and if he stocked spare parts. I live about 45min away and he gave me $25 off for local pickup. He met me at the warehouse on the following saturday, Got to checkout the inventory/spares , he let me pick one off the rack and upon opening it ...it looked great. Looked just like his sample. Had to have it. Had the moment to ask some questions about QC,landing gear,warranty. He asked me some questions as well. The guy really wants to put out a good product, with good support , and really was interested in what i had to say. Will post about the build and maiden soon.

[Aros]

They have made me and every other customer feel like family and we count .

Bryan, as a full time Motion RC employee for nearly five years I can tell you hand to God that is precisely how we ALL feel about our customers. You are ALL family and you had better believe you count!

[Hippie 64]

Gents, I purchased the subject "Dynam 1500mm P-61 Black Widow from Grayson Hobby. The Airframe delivers in the usual Dynam packaging - but at least Dynam is using foam supports on this model. Dynam has moved up a little in their ARF pre-assembled state:

The Good:
1. Servo horns, control rods are pre-installed
2. Wiring harness is completed in the main fuselage and now brought back to the center wing cavity with leads pulled out ready for R/X deployment
3. LED's are wired in and functional....they even provided an LED blinker controller with an extra wiring harness as an option for deployment
4. The Motors are supposedly a higher grade product above the standard bottom line Detrum line
5. The ESC's are supposedly a higher grade product above the standard bottom line Detrum line
6. There is a psuedo battery tray
7. The wiring harness soldering looks good
8. There is some wood ply in the long nose section for strength and support

The Not so good:
1. The fitment of my pre-assembled ARF was horrible.....large gaps presented multiple issues during the assembly (Other modelers reported their pre-assembled nacelles were not as bad as my photos present)
2. The inner blocks that support the rearward boom sections are too long, thus preventing positive mating to the forward boom fuselage section.....needs about 1/2 cut off for proper fitment
3. The elevator servo extension was backwards, I had to cut mine a solder the wires together
4. There is no cooling what-so-ever to the motors and ESC's
5. The servo's may or may not ever find center again
6. The outer wing mounting points on my wings could not line up with the mating surface mounting holes
7. Most of the magnets are applied in a manner to which they are mostly innefectivee
8. The rudders are warped
9. The elevator is horizontally twisted

I can see where the "Novice" modeler will have major issues with this delivered product. The airframes pre-assembly is more of an issue than the model itself. I would have rather it deliver un-assembled at least to have a chance at getting an acceptable over-all fitment. The patient, knowledgeable, parts bin savvy, ready handed tool ladened experience modeler will be able to address all the deficits of the delivered product. But the novice builder will not have a positive experience.

As for the airframes final completion......once all of the issues are addressed by any method or level of the builder......it still manages to be an excellent aircraft. Different, unusual, menacing.

I can readily understand Motion choosing not to offer this particular airframe. If only The pre-assembled components of the fuselage Nacelles alone were addressed, Motion might be in a better position to offer this bird.

IMHO -
A. This particular Dynam airframes flaws are NOT the components, hardwares, nor the quality of the foam or the details......its failure is in fact the - shoddy QC of the factory pre-assembly.
B. If you know up front about the flaws and understand how to deal and address them to your level of satisfaction....the end product is very good!
C. The other Dynam models are an excellent value for the price point....and fortunately for the most part...their respective pre-assembled components are acceptable for the novice builder...these models pose no potential hardship for the retailer answering questions and servicing a low percentage of component failure

I don't think Motion should dump the other Dynam line of products....due to the present state of this model.....nor for any mis-alignment of manufacture-distributor relationship related solely from this model. This model is unique in many ways ...good and bad. It's good that a distributor can choose the models they wish to market....therefore it appears it's not an all or none container purchase of inventory.

Yes this model appears to be a builders beware.....actual delivered pre-assembly QC is lacking....over-all airframe fitment accuracy will vary....thus the level of corrective measures and fiddley will vary.

I do hope Flightline offers this model someday......it's a super good looking R/C when completed nicely.

TwistedGrin

I too like the plane and as with ALL Dynam planes you need to go in planning to fix, altar , or just make it better . It's a Hobby and I enjoy more than just the flying aspect of it.

I'm not sure if you are aware but in the recent past MRC and Dynam had a business arrangement that was , in my understanding , costly to MRC. Now none of us know or should know what the details of the deal are but Mgmt.. made clear of some money transactions made for assistance . Alpha spent lots and lots of time there with a few different planes in part to get the right to sell for a period of time before anyone else . Dynam reneged on the deal . More so they opened a Dynam exclusive store in the same area . If MRC makes the decision to deplete their stock and then drop the line they have more than a few good reasons .

If they do and you continue buying elsewhere it's your choice and ALL here are flyers and only want to share and help each other . As for me if MRC decides to drop I will not buy any more Dynam products unless to repair what I have . I have been with them for a number of years and have NEVER EVER had this rate of service and value from any other seller . They have made me and every other customer feel like family and we count .

Bryan

[Sjanczar]

I saw the post from Aros the said FMS sells the Durafly only to Hobbyking. I’m happy to hear that they have good business ethics.

[RRHandy]

Welcome. :Cool:

[Woodcock]

Thank you Ron.

I'm going to start rounding up the parts tomorrow. I couldn't help but notice your rack is holding quite a verity of aircraft, large ones, small ones. I wanted your dim.'s because I want my to do the same thing, it looks as if it wouldn't be to hard to get any of them in and out. You have a very nice collection of planes. Thanks again man.

Best Regards
Woody

[RRHandy]

Try this, if too vague I will redraw. Ron.

[Woodcock]

Here you go. 3/4 PVC.

Handy, that might be PVC. But it's one nice plane stand. If your feeling generous. I would very much like a little dimensional info. Looks like you're a big fan of Corsair's, lol. When I first got into the hobby, I was building a Top Flight Corsair. Had an unexpected move, "Divorce". Lost a lot of the pieces in the process. Ended up throwing it away. I'm kinda happy to be getting one ready to fly now. Been a long wait.

Best Regards
Woody

[RRHandy]

Here you go. 3/4 PVC.

[Woodcock]

Ron - You are missing the point and going off to another road.....I am not regretting my purchase nor the airframe......I am a happy camper.

The point is...."some" fellas may purchase this airframe and expect a trouble free assembly and perfect fitment. It's just not going to be this way with this Dynam model. If you know and understand this model will need some degree of modeling to not only make it a pleasure to look at....but also a complete boss in flight performance ....then the experience is much better.

Choose your quality of Airframe and be happy.

My post is not targeted at the master builder, nor the expert pilot, nor the savvy purchaser and purveyor of high dollar airframes....but rather to the average builder who is not familiar with the Dynam series R/C planes.

This particular offering has unique quirks that are now logged as common steps to take care of.....if pilots ascribe to this webpage and RCGroups.com - their own personal build experience will be much easier and less stressful...also as usual....different ideas are shown of how each modeler handles the same challenge.

No worries....all good....and have fun

TwistedGrin

She looks beautiful mate.

[Woodcock]

Glancing at that thumbnail photo in his profile pic, I'd say it's basic schedule 40 PVC pipe and fittings, and would be easy to make and customize for your fleet. If you wanted a little more cushion for the wings. inexpensive pipe insulation or even cheap pool noodles from the dollar store could be slid over the storage arms.

I've been considering building something similar, to go horizontal across the top of a shelf unit in our living room, for the storage of my current small collection. My wife's only concern when I ordered the Waco a couple of weeks ago, was where I was going to put it between flights.

Yea,

Wifey's been eye balling my model room lately. She had a friend that started destroying planes in a ty raid for her husband. She keeps bringing that up, lol. But it's not just her, I like to keep things organized. Plus I don't really like hanger rash. I love collecting them, modding them, or getting a troubled plane to look beautiful and fly great. So I really need to become a better flyer, going out to do this right now, take care.

Best Regards
Woody

[rifleman_btx]

That would be the easiest

[Hoomi]

RRHandy,

So the reason I'm posting to you mate. I like the model stands you have in your icon. Would you please be kind enough to post a larger pic. of them, or direct me to where I can find a larger picture of them, "pretty please"? Since coming back I'm accumulating more than a few models, need a originazed storage system. Your's looks pretty nice, looks easy to build.

Best Regards
Woody

Glancing at that thumbnail photo in his profile pic, I'd say it's basic schedule 40 PVC pipe and fittings, and would be easy to make and customize for your fleet. If you wanted a little more cushion for the wings. inexpensive pipe insulation or even cheap pool noodles from the dollar store could be slid over the storage arms.

I've been considering building something similar, to go horizontal across the top of a shelf unit in our living room, for the storage of my current small collection. My wife's only concern when I ordered the Waco a couple of weeks ago, was where I was going to put it between flights.

[Woodcock]

RRHandy,

I totally understand where your coming from mate, and I can respect it. But with that said, I will buy what ever I want, when ever I want, from anyone I want. Yes even Dynam. I like there planes, you don't I completely get it mate.

So the reason I'm posting to you mate. I like the model stands you have in your icon. Would you please be kind enough to post a larger pic. of them, or direct me to where I can find a larger picture of them, "pretty please"? Since coming back I'm accumulating more than a few models, need a originazed storage system. Your's looks pretty nice, looks easy to build.

Best Regards
Woody