Official Freewing 70mm Twin Me 262 Thread

[Jspoz]

Mudduck

Thank you so much for the info

[themudduck]

My me262 v1 had a mishap on takeoff today and I damaged the right wing. Does anyone know if I can utilize the version 2 replacement wings on the version 1?? Thank you in advance

The two versions have the same parts, the only difference in the parts is the new paint job on V2. (V2 has upgraded motors and fans). So the V2 wings will be a perfect replacement on your plane, except for the paint.

By the way I have both versions. V1 is parts in a box! V2 is still in perfect shape!

[Jspoz]

My me262 v1 had a mishap on takeoff today and I damaged the right wing. Does anyone know if I can utilize the version 2 replacement wings on the version 1?? Thank you in advance

[Husafreak]

Oh sure, lucky you! That was such a nice plane. Honestly I would replace it but I have the Airworld Me-262 and a couple of Tamjets/Jetfan 90mm fans waiting to be built. I should really get on with that...
Well, in a way I did replace it, but with a FW Mig-21.

[xviper]

From this morning:

[Husafreak]

I would love to give you my surface travels but alas I came here to admit defeat! My wonderful Me-262 bit the dust last Saturday :( This was a V1 that I had remotored a few years back with the V2 fans and 80A CC ESC's. I'll come clean on this one as I think I know what happened. Basically I ran it too hard with an old 6s 5000 pack dated December 2014. In the left turn to final for landing with gear and flaps at about 50' it suddenly started to roll right, of course I called out "I don't have it!" and watched it roll over on its back and go in while holding full left aileron and some rudder. The pack was hotter than a pistol and puffed up big time, cells measured 5-10% no load, but the servos were operating? Then it hit me, the right fan must have stopped while the left continued to run... Oh no! It's a twin! I'll bet if I had chopped the throttle I could have saved it, maybe, but I know I had not done that, I just left the power wherever it was.
I guess I'm in the market for some new batteries! This was my first EDF foamy and I have never lost one of these to a dead battery before, bummer!

[Husafreak]

Maiden my v2 last Saturday, July 25, 2020.
Read about the challenges on take off.
Made preparations regarding the recommended nose reinforcement.
Was a bit confused on the cg. All the way forward with the Admiral 5000. All the way back with a 7000.
Seems to me there could be a lot of room? After watching (among others) rcgeek fly his and while I didn't have a 7000, I used his recommended 110mm cg.
This put my Admiral 5000 exactly 1" behind of the nose wall/blukhead.

Take off was a non-event. Pretty scale but then, I'm not one to punch it on t/o rollout. Needed to add a bit of up elevator. Maybe I can move the battery further back? Nevertheless for now, I will work with matching the 110mm with my 6000s.
Lot's of power under those wings.

I read about wingtip stall. So went up what I thought was 3 errors high. Maybe it was 2.5. Maybe it was less. But I pulled back on the throttle, gave a little up elevator to hold nose up to stall...
Wowsers.....right wing dropped and the spiral of death commenced. Immediately went to full throttle and thankfully was high enough that she pulled out of it, leveled off and I proceeded to check flaps, then did a couple passes to see how she was on final approach. Flew over almost half my runway before landing with a small hop. But nothing to worry bout. Glad I took my morning maiden poop prior to this flight! 🤣🤣

One of the best things about this bird; she looks so much better in person and to see the shape of the fuse! Awesome! Esp considering this is an old offering!
I have video on youtube but seems they had a hard time focusing in on her early, so didn't zoom in a bit. Gonna see if I can zoom in then re-upload. I do however appreciate my camera guy's efforts.

Kudos MotionRC and Freewing 👍

Neil

My humble advice is to reduce the low rate elevator throw until it won't snap like that anymore with full stick input. Fly it a bit like that and see if it is enough elevator for you, maybe reduce expo a bit. This is a common technique with gliders that also have high aspect ratio's and will snap with too much elevator. Then when you want to snap go to medium or high rates, swoop up into a climb, snap inputs at the Tx, and the Me-262 will do a beautiful and intentional snap roll, just like the real fighters did to throw off opponents. Use those low rates in the takeoff and landing pattern.

[Twowingtj]

Seahawk One Congrats on the maiden! The 262 is a great flying EDF. It's 2nd on my EDF go to list. Coming in just behind the Freewing 80mm A-10.

[Seahawk One]

Maiden my v2 last Saturday, July 25, 2020.
Read about the challenges on take off.
Made preparations regarding the recommended nose reinforcement.
Was a bit confused on the cg. All the way forward with the Admiral 5000. All the way back with a 7000.
Seems to me there could be a lot of room? After watching (among others) rcgeek fly his and while I didn't have a 7000, I used his recommended 110mm cg.
This put my Admiral 5000 exactly 1" behind of the nose wall/blukhead.

Take off was a non-event. Pretty scale but then, I'm not one to punch it on t/o rollout. Needed to add a bit of up elevator. Maybe I can move the battery further back? Nevertheless for now, I will work with matching the 110mm with my 6000s.
Lot's of power under those wings.

I read about wingtip stall. So went up what I thought was 3 errors high. Maybe it was 2.5. Maybe it was less. But I pulled back on the throttle, gave a little up elevator to hold nose up to stall...
Wowsers.....right wing dropped and the spiral of death commenced. Immediately went to full throttle and thankfully was high enough that she pulled out of it, leveled off and I proceeded to check flaps, then did a couple passes to see how she was on final approach. Flew over almost half my runway before landing with a small hop. But nothing to worry bout. Glad I took my morning maiden poop prior to this flight! 🤣🤣

One of the best things about this bird; she looks so much better in person and to see the shape of the fuse! Awesome! Esp considering this is an old offering!
I have video on youtube but seems they had a hard time focusing in on her early, so didn't zoom in a bit. Gonna see if I can zoom in then re-upload. I do however appreciate my camera guy's efforts.

Kudos MotionRC and Freewing 👍

Neil

[Aros]

[Twowingtj]

Aros Just do it buddy, just do it

[Aros]

Aros if you liked the V1, you would have a ball with the V2. It looks better IMHO. The 12-blade fans sound great and really bring this bird to a whole new performance level.

I have sort of a guilty pleasure I enjoy with this bird. After a good climb out and turn to the downwind portion of the pattern, I point the nose slightly down and pull the throttle back to idle. As I let the energy carry it and the motors spool down, there is a resonant howl that sets up in the nacells. Sounds awesome.

Darn you...Here I am trying to SAVE money!

[killickb]

I also have found that diving down and shutting down as you pass creates that "howl" as you call it. Have never heard it on any other single or twin EDF, have you? It is an eerie attention getter --- mine is a V.2 version. Truth be told this bird checks all the boxes for me; scale looks, scale performance, plenty of power, super smooth to fly. Not many models seem locked to the Tx sticks (hard to explain !) but this one responds as expected every time.

[Twowingtj]

Aros if you liked the V1, you would have a ball with the V2. It looks better IMHO. The 12-blade fans sound great and really bring this bird to a whole new performance level.

I have sort of a guilty pleasure I enjoy with this bird. After a good climb out and turn to the downwind portion of the pattern, I point the nose slightly down and pull the throttle back to idle. As I let the energy carry it and the motors spool down, there is a resonant howl that sets up in the nacells. Sounds awesome.

[Aros]

Nicely done! Congrats on the successful maiden! Don't worry about the landing...If it comes back to you in one piece it's a perfect landing!

I haven't had this model (I had the V1 years ago and LOVED it) in a long time but one memory in particular stands out. I was flying it and all was well and suddenly the motors cut out! (If memory serves I think I hit LVC) I panicked thinking she was going to drop out of the sky like a brick! Nope! Quite the opposite in fact. She floated like a glider to a very safe and well-greased landing! I still to this day am so impressed with that. Your enthusiasm for this model makes me want to get one again. It really is the crown jewel of the "Old Gen" Freewing models. Bravo Zulu!

[DaFlyingSnek]

Maiden flight! Always exciting! So I had the cg set up 100 mm from the leading edge (closest to fuselage), and that was FAR too nose-heavy. You can see my plane dip down in the first downwind and rise back up. That was just me adding TONS of up trim. Other than that, I literally had 0 trim input for everything else. Literally. First impressions: Wow! Just. Incredible. It flies on rails, and other than a slight yaw wobble (slight breeze and no gyro), it is perfect. Flies perfectly straight, and rolls beautifully around the z axis. Pitches into great arcs and turns can easily keep/gain altitude. It is incredibly quick, and if you don’t increase throttle gradually on take off, the tail will hit the ground. I didn’t do a full stall during the flight, and it showed. On landing, the 262 can go quite slow with full flaps. Suspiciously slow. It likes to stall flat and would just drop. Combine that with waaaaay too nose-heavy and that caused my landing to be crud. I should’ve kept my speed up. But hey, now I know. After this flight, my brother and I did a dogfight with him in his P-51, and me in my 262. Even better, his P-51 is 1/8.4 scale, and the 262 is 1/9.4, so pretty close! It was incredible. All in all, the Freewing Me-262 Schwalbe is a winner. It won’t take long for me to master it. When I got home, I had to do some touch up work and I realized I could airbrush the whole plastic part on the nacelles, and then won’t have to worry about the paint not matching with the glossy plastic. After doing so, it looked really good. So I airbrushed over every light blue plastic piece on the belly, then went over it with a matte clear coat. While I was doing that, I also painted the inside of the gear doors aluminum. Love this bird (Edit, I will post my CG and rates after my next time flying)

[Aros]

Looks great!

[DaFlyingSnek]

Finally got my first “major” mod completed! Redid the split flaps into a more scale plain flaps. I did basically the same thing TheRCGeek did. Just some cutting, light sanding, and painting (the inside as to not expose bare foam) made it happen. The 262 is looking better and better every day! Next is the nose gear and main gear doors!

[DaFlyingSnek]

I installed the circular antenna on mine yesterday! Looks great!

The benefit with the nose reinforcement isn't so much about grass or pavement. Its all about the stress the nose gear puts on the fuselage. You're correct, if you always keep the nose up during landing you might be ok! But mistakes happen! This model basically has a "glass jaw". There is very little strength in the fuselage structure right at the front edge of the battery bay. A relatively small vertical (up) force on the gear can snap the fuselage in two at that point.

Its a big battery up front, with a lot of weight. The nose on my Version-1 broke off during a normal landing on our fabric runway, after I touched down normally on the mains.... the nose came down and the fuselage just snapped in two. There was some discussion about this earlier in the thread ...

The good thing about this mod is that it doesn't affect anything on the outside and takes only about 5 minutes to do. You'll need two 10-inch CF tubes (I used 5mm) and a drill bit to make a pilot hole at the front. Cut slots for the tube to fit in like you see in the picture, and use the drill bit (by hand) to make a hole in the front and stick the tube in about 2 inches. Then just glue it in with some Foam-Tac and its done.

Oh sweet! I'll just have to get some CF spars. I saw some on amazon, so that can work. Thank you for the advice! I'm glad the circular antenna worked out for ya :D

[themudduck]

Thanks for the advice about the pilot! I'll give that a shot when I work more on the cockpit itself (adding panel wash, coloring dials, etc.)! About the nose, however, I won't be able to get a carbon spar in time for the maiden and I don't think it's that necessary for me. I fly off a not paved, but basically a cut turf field (search up SACRC - Sac rats). I also always make a point to land on main gear first (with my F-35), as to not stress the nose so much. Would you still deem it necessary?

I installed the circular antenna on mine yesterday! Looks great!

The benefit with the nose reinforcement isn't so much about grass or pavement. Its all about the stress the nose gear puts on the fuselage. You're correct, if you always keep the nose up during landing you might be ok! But mistakes happen! This model basically has a "glass jaw". There is very little strength in the fuselage structure right at the front edge of the battery bay. A relatively small vertical (up) force on the gear can snap the fuselage in two at that point.

Its a big battery up front, with a lot of weight. The nose on my Version-1 broke off during a normal landing on our fabric runway, after I touched down normally on the mains.... the nose came down and the fuselage just snapped in two. There was some discussion about this earlier in the thread ...

The good thing about this mod is that it doesn't affect anything on the outside and takes only about 5 minutes to do. You'll need two 10-inch CF tubes (I used 5mm) and a drill bit to make a pilot hole at the front. Cut slots for the tube to fit in like you see in the picture, and use the drill bit (by hand) to make a hole in the front and stick the tube in about 2 inches. Then just glue it in with some Foam-Tac and its done.