Black Widow??

[NoDirt!]

There's mention of a preliminary shipment on RCG...

[handyman220]

When it does come out I'll buy one also, I can work out the problems I'm in no hurry.

[Mad Baron]

If I do decide on getting the Widow I might just wait a little while to see what issues it has don't want a repeat problems I had with the B-26. But with all of the upgrading and fixing problems with it I am glad that I kept it as it is a great flying plane I might think about working in a bomb bay as a winter project.:)

[rifleman_btx]

Maybe the rest of us suck at building and flying? Lol just kidding of course. :)

[themudduck]

Mudduck....have to give you credit on wing mounts (have to concede mine is modded)and stated CG being tail heavy. Anyone not checking the forums would have no idea. Even the needed up trim should have been in the manual. And now that i think about it up ELE was stated in the fw104 manual so no mad trim clicking on a maiden. I love the direction they seem to be headed (thanks again alpha) and calling dynam a work in progress will see how the widow fairs. She will be mine...oh yes..she will be mine. I will be competing with you to be first on the pre- order. ...backpeddling makes my legs hurt.

Ha! LOL You bet, me too! I want to be first in line! But I'll probably miss the moment...

You know I am beginning to think that these planes aren't all the same. Mad Baron just posted that he flew his Marauder without the shim, without much up-trim, and that it flies perfectly. So what's up with that? :Confused: I give up.

[OV10]

. ...backpeddling makes my legs hurt.

LOLI knew if :Not-Talking: after your comments to my observations you'd come to your senses(with some coaxing from MD) ;)

[CFIT rob]

Mudduck....have to give you credit on wing mounts (have to concede mine is modded)and stated CG being tail heavy. Anyone not checking the forums would have no idea. Even the needed up trim should have been in the manual. And now that i think about it up ELE was stated in the fw104 manual so no mad trim clicking on a maiden. I love the direction they seem to be headed (thanks again alpha) and calling dynam a work in progress will see how the widow fairs. She will be mine...oh yes..she will be mine. I will be competing with you to be first on the pre- order. ...backpeddling makes my legs hurt.

[themudduck]

I think the beating dynam has taken over the b26 is not entirely deserved. The marauder flies great stock,no mod required. Other higher end models have ended up with incedence errors (FW p38, FW 70 mm 104 for example) Regluing components is not only a dynam issue(my fw avanti had loose control horns). A cold solder joint caused a crash(TI?), I lost my fw p38 from a cold solder joint. A few have lost their marauders from snaps. Crashed my fw 70mm 104 twice getting used to how it flys. Remember how many 104s where going down when it came out. The tires,pilots,non scale guns are a cost saving measure..im fine with that. Its a price point line.
Now...The packaging needs improvement. The QC (training?)during assembly needs improvement. Seems like those issues should be easy to fix. They HAVE to be costing dynam warranty money. The widow may need some more development time ,wich im sure alpha is spearheading. CML pulled their estimated ETA. German dist moddellbau has a mid january release date listed. So no widow under the tree.

I agree that the wheels, pilots, and guns (and the hatch magnets) are just cosmetic issues. The points you made are valid, but look. The unmodified stock Marauder would be flying in this condition:
a) Wing attachment points in jeopardy (can pull out in a high-g maneuvers)
b) Flying level requires about 1/4" up-trim on the elevators
c) Large recommended battery requires tail weights
d) Tail-heavy at recommended C/G
e) Flaps in danger of falling off (poorly glued hinges)

And I wouldn't call that great. It was easy to correct, and I don't have to worry about the wing pulling off - and with the stab shim and the new CG (with a smaller battery) the model really flies great. I love it, the B26 is a terrific model. I agree, if Dynam can just make some small improvements in packaging and assembly QC, the B26 will be better and the P61 should be good to go.

[CFIT rob]

I think the beating dynam has taken over the b26 is not entirely deserved. The marauder flies great stock,no mod required. Other higher end models have ended up with incedence errors (FW p38, FW 70 mm 104 for example) Regluing components is not only a dynam issue(my fw avanti had loose control horns). A cold solder joint caused a crash(TI?), I lost my fw p38 from a cold solder joint. A few have lost their marauders from snaps. Crashed my fw 70mm 104 twice getting used to how it flys. Remember how many 104s where going down when it came out. The tires,pilots,non scale guns are a cost saving measure..im fine with that. Its a price point line.
Now...The packaging needs improvement. The QC (training?)during assembly needs improvement. Seems like those issues should be easy to fix. They HAVE to be costing dynam warranty money. The widow may need some more development time ,wich im sure alpha is spearheading. CML pulled their estimated ETA. German dist moddellbau has a mid january release date listed. So no widow under the tree.

[rifleman_btx]

^YES!

[OV10]

Fixing cosmetic issues is one thing but when you are making mods because of a factory design to the incidence so that it flies correctly then they do need to make it right.
These forums have been expressing the displeasures of these short cuts for awhile and they(manuf) have been listening and making better and better foam ARF's to our delight.
Don't feel guilty about expressing some truthful observations that is of the majority because I would bet it is not going to hurt MRC's sensibilities.
Paying for lackluster performance while expecting better than that is becoming the norm in the younger generation but I won't.
I can patiently wait for them to release a properly made Widow cause if it is another similar Marauder experience I will pass on the P-61 just like I did the B-26.
Bring it on.........but bring it on right ;)

[themudduck]

Do you think that the release of the P-61 has been delayed because of all the flak we put up (LOL) about the problem we ran into with the Marauder? I really like my Marauder a lot but I was one of the voices who ran down the list of all the problems and defects that needed to be fixed. Like making fun of the toy pilots and racing-slick tires. So I am feeling a bit guilty. I just hope that MRC didn't take offense and decide that they aren't going to bring the P61 to us unless it is completely perfect (and expensive). I will be perfectly happy to fix the same kinds of problems, fixing up ARFs is just part of the game for me and I enjoy customizing my models anyway. It doesn't need to be perfect. Bring it on! Please!

[DonRhone]

I have a few Dynam planes in my roster of RC planes, and most of the flyers in this area do as well. In discussion the one thing we all have experienced is that EVERY Dynam plane we have received arrived with at least minor damage and a few major damage.

The reason is very obvious, it is the way Dynam packages the components, rather than use the foam shipping cartons that most other RC manufacturers use Dynam chooses to package their components in light cardboard boxes which are then placed in the heavy cardboard shipping container.

Dynam does use the air filled plastic protectors it is not enough to keep the components in the boxes from moving around. While their latest plane the B26 does come with one piece of foam molded to keep the major wing and motor module in place during shipping it does not do its job, that piece was damaged during shipping.

If Dynam would just follow the practice of using the foam shipping cartons that the other manufacturers use they would reduce the amount of damage significantly.

Most of use just accept that and are prepared to fix minor damage ourselves, major damage no, at least without some sort of compensation for our time and trouble. If anyone has seen the new FMS F7F and the way it is packaged, wow, nothing in that package is going to move. Best packaging I have ever seen.

I know that using foam shipping cartons would increase Dynam's cost, but I for one would certainly pay a bit more knowing that my plane would arrive undamaged. As I said before, not one of the local flyers who have quite a few Dynam planes bought by the group have ever received a Dynam plane without it being damaged. However, at the price point of the Dynam planes most of us just accept minor damage as something to endure, major damage no.

Then again, Motion RC will certainly be receiving complaints from those who receive damaged Dynam planes.

[CFIT rob]

I agree. Rather have it right. Marauder was my first Dynam and i sort of knew what to expect as far as "dynam-ing" before and during assembly but the packaging was a real shocker. Some dings in her from stuff moving around that some really cheap packing materials would have prevented. In Alpha we trust....

[rifleman_btx]

Force a release and you have a b26. Take the time and get this one right

[OV10]

I bet Alpha is giving them some serious input on this one to make sure it's right.

Ya think......;) Another release like the B-26 with it's plethora of anomalies could give Motion a black eye.

[handyman220]

I don't like waiting..... ....... ....... ....... ....... ......

LOL!! :) patience grasshopper, good things come to those that wait. ;)

[themudduck]

I don't like waiting..... ....... ....... ....... ....... ......

[handyman220]

I don't mind the wait as long as it does come. I'd rather have a well thought out plane than one rushed for a delivery date.

[TiredIronGRB]

I bet Alpha is giving them some serious input on this one to make sure it's right.