Project Foil Guesses?

[AirHead]

[AirHead]

BTW: The Avro Arrow was mostly Titanium. Just like when Kelly Johnson had to buy titanium from the Russians to build the SR71 Blackbird without them knowing it was for a spy plane! Avro had to tell the Ruskies that they were buying titanium for other reasons and uses. Not for building an anti-Russian jet interceptor....In the 50's, titanium was hard to work with, but they all did it....

[fhhuber]

Something about using tubes for fly by wire led to having an unreliable system for an airplane that needed to pull + and - G in combat maneuvers...

Its just not good when the tubes eject from the sockets.

[Grossman56]

An THAT gentlemen, is the first jet to have 'fly by wire' back in the 50's. This was when the Americans were flying the F-86. First to have an internal weapons system as well as artificial 'feel' to the controls, so many firsts, BTW, supersonic as well. But, Canada wasn't supposed to have the first anything in the aerospace industry so politics stepped in and they were all chopped up...……...except for one...………...so the legend goes...…….

Pick up "Storms of Controversy" by Palmiro Campagna, or watch the movie on the CF 105 starring Dan Ackroyd.



Grossman56

[AirHead]

What's that second jet? Looks like a canberra that had its wings cuts until the engines were at the fuselage, and it looks like it'd be a fun scale "sports" jet with that wing

The second one is an Avro CF100 Canuck with high powered engines.....

[Topdogzrc]

What's that second jet? Looks like a canberra that had its wings cuts until the engines were at the fuselage, and it looks like it'd be a fun scale "sports" jet with that wing

[AirHead]

I would never guess that these two Canadian jets would make it into anything but the history they lived. They were the best that 20 million frozen people could achieve. The glory of these planes was the Orenda Iroquois engines that were years ahead, thanks to British jet tech advancements. Jim Floyd, the director of these two jet projects was an Englishman plucked from wartime Britain....These planes all ended up as scrap aluminum for pop and beer cans....shame.....

[Hardway]

Whatever the coming projects may be, I am committed to buying them. I wasn't really excited about Hoot, but it turned out really nice and I like it now... So bring 'em on Alpha and the team. You have my support as long as I have the money!!! (OK, my wife has the money)…. LOL

[fhhuber]

I like making guesses that are obviously not happening.

[davecee]

It's a guessing game about a toy airplane. Some people can drain the fun out of anything.

[RCjetdude]

One last call for any recent information. Question asked and left unanswered, so closure and unsubscribe.

What was your question?

[fredmdbud]

If you honestly stopped caring then why even bring it up? Hoot was a mystery plane announced quite awhile ago and never had a scheduled release date as well just to be clear.

One last call for any recent information. Question asked and left unanswered, so closure and unsubscribe.

[Pete Lane]

" But its just a crazy game.....and if it ends..."
Lets climb the Hobby stairs together, then turn the key. Your love of this hobby awaits you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu2JBMNBbKo

[RCjetdude]

1) It's one thing when a plane is identified/announced, but its release is uncertain or repeatedly pushed back - e.g. Avios/HK Spitfire.

2) It's another when plane is scheduled for release, but won't be identified until then - e.g. Project Hoot

3) A mystery plane with an uncertain release date (both what and when) - Project Foil

#1 and #2 - at least you know something
#3 - Hoping that Project Foil is the first, and will be the only, kind of this announcement. Otherwise, can become a turn-off along the lines of "the dealer who cried release" lol

Some enjoy the speculation (such as here); but there are also those who kind of stopped caring anymore at this point, and that's regrettable.

If you honestly stopped caring then why even bring it up? Hoot was a mystery plane announced quite awhile ago and never had a scheduled release date as well just to be clear.

The intent of this thread was to have fun. The problem comes from those who don't understand that and so feel the need to grumble about how long it is taking or interject wish lists instead of guesses based on the clues or lambaste the manufacturer for other releases that come out sooner or the subject of the release itself because it wasn't what they wanted. That is what causes some people to stop caring. If someone doesn't want to play a game they don't have to. That's fine. Let that be enough. Telling others they don't want to play or don't like the game inevitably just diminishes the fun of those enjoying the game. There is nothing constructive about it. Folks, are we in this hobby because we enjoy seeing it thrive or just for our own satisfaction? Are we trying to see others enjoy it, especially the next generation, so that the hobby continues or are we so focused on ourselves that we can't see the damage we do to the hobby as a result? What message are we trying to send to those outside of the hobby who might be interested in it? Don't get me wrong, we enjoy a wonderful hobby partly due to the vast majority of people who make it up and partly because of the excellent products that we have access to. HobbySquawk is a great place to be because it feels more like a family to me but our actions and attitudes determine who we are and they come with consequences. Just some food for thought.

[fredmdbud]

What Alpha was getting at, and he can correct me if I am wrong, is that of all the project names he's said, why has FOIL caught on this life of it's own? Why hasn't threads for the other names been created or exist? That's what he was getting at.

1) It's one thing when a plane is identified/announced, but its release is uncertain or repeatedly pushed back - e.g. Avios/HK Spitfire.

2) It's another when plane is scheduled for release, but won't be identified until then - e.g. Project Hoot

3) A mystery plane with an uncertain release date (both what and when) - Project Foil

#1 and #2 - at least you know something
#3 -

why even bother mentioning it at all.

Hoping that Project Foil is the first, and will be the only, kind of this announcement. Otherwise, can become a turn-off along the lines of "the dealer who cried release" lol

Some enjoy the speculation (such as here); but there are also those who kind of stopped caring anymore at this point, and that's regrettable.

[Quickstop]

Don't forget, Xmas is right around the corner, and if I was going to release something new, it would be around then.

[Quickstop]

Sad to hear that some media tweakers that keep fumbling the football are pushing you away from the fun you established for the loyal team :(
Please reconsider Alpha ;)
Regardless.....I'm still around as you asked and am still bangin that :ov10drum;)

Saw one come out of our local airfield last week (van nuys airport), operated by california department of forestry. First time i've had a chance to see one.

[Alpha]

Thanks, guys. I should clarify, when I said "the cycle continues", I didn't mean that as a bad thing. I think it's a great thing, something we can all be very proud of.

[Twowingtj]

Alpha, I think that the vast majority of the regular Squawkers really enjoy the games and good natured speculation. We appreciate the glimpses of the "inner workings" that you and the MRC team share. No need to reconsider how you've handled things. You, of all people, know that you can't please everyone. Squeeky wheels, by nature, make a lot of noise while all the others continue to roll along smoothly. Just sayin':);)

No other company offers the hands on approach, with the customer base, that MRC does. I say "press on!":Cool:

[JamesonC]

Ha, it's not a Venom, although that plane is an awesome flyer [shameless plug]

Well said, James. I don't think the 18-24 month timeline really is heard enough... any project really could be anywhere along that process. I live in 2020, y'all. When asked many moons ago about what was coming, I dropped some active project names in random order to play along, while omitting some others that were arriving sooner. Notice that at the time I *could* have dropped the project name Bond (the F-4), which released long before Foil was slated to be released. Rather, Bond was a complete surprise to everyone. That's the point of a guessing game --things could always come from left field. I included Foil (along with Tennyson50, Five Eyes (IIIII), Hoot and other project names over the ensuing months simply because I thought they were easier and more fun/complex for the community to guess. I thought a guessing game is what people wanted, and I grew up appreciating a puzzle for the thrill of the pursuit, not the answer. I can see now that that original intent was eventually lost. Lesson learned.

After Foil's announcement, inevitably some people will fall in absolute love with it, because it really is a stunner in my book, while some people won't. And that's okay. And inevitably the next day a new post will posit "What's Next?", and the cycle will continue. And that's okay, too. And after delivery some people will trumpet Foil as being "the best EDF I've ever owned", like some have said with Regulus (A-10), Virtue (A-4), Pizza (Avanti), Machat (F-105), Paperclip (P.15), and Hoot (L-39). And that's all okay, too. I'm content whenever our creations earn their keep in good homes. There's never a single project that will appease everyone to the point that we close the business because we can't get any better. No, we're all on a thrilling cycle that is made new again and again and again.

But as for my part, I don't plan on giving any more public peeks behind my Dev curtain anytime soon. Too much gets lost in translation. The proverbial "football", as James put it. Perhaps it's easier just to let speculation run its course, independent of my input. I'll simply say, as I've always said to the question of "What's coming next?": Everything is coming, eventually, as long as we're here. But our being here is contingent on us earning customer's support with the products we sell today, not two years from now.



Carry on :)

Alpha, while I feel like I fully understand your frustrations right now, please don't deviate from the fun game the majority of us love so much. And, trust me, it does work better than you think. I, personally, held off on another EDF from a competitor because I do know Foil is right around the corner and have this feeling I will regret blowing my lunch money on a different plane when it is released.

As for what I highlighted in your text... If you don't already see why that is, I'll try to explain. There are no "What's next FMS" threads or "What's next HK" threads that I have seen. Your products that you design have gotten such a great reputation that even after great releases like the L39 and F4, we are still begging for more!!! Plus, I really love MRC's involvement in these Forums, all the way up to the designer. I finally got to meet James at Fall Nall and unfortunately he would not cave to my attempts at some info on Foil! LOL

But, like OV10 said as well, please reconsider pulling back on the clues and hints and project names. The majority of your MRC family love it!