All-New Freewing PJ50 Twin 70mm EDF Jet - Official Thread

[xviper]

hahaha, him and foamKrasher (who joined conveniently a month ago) are probably more Mikey68 accounts

They're morons or suffering from dementia (I suppose I should feel sorry for them if that's the case). I'm going to keep digging into them until I get banned. For periods of time, I viewed RCG just to milk it for info. I really don't need to post. I don't mind helping some of them but mostly to ride the nutbag rodeo for free entertainment. RCG is a purely for profit organization. From my inner dealings with a car forum, I'm guessing their annual income from sponsorships and memberships is in the 100's of thousands of $$. I'm both envious and turned off by it.

[James]

hahaha, him and foamKrasher (who joined conveniently a month ago) are probably more Mikey68 accounts

[xviper]

The following is a series of posts from the PJ thread on the "other" forum. This guy, PittSpecial, was slamming James for a post he made and since James is too diplomatic and too polite to respond back to him, I did. This guy is a known MotionRC hater and his posts recently have been very confusing and disturbing, showing some mental health issues (or dementia). He didn't like what I posted in defense of James, so he reported it and my post there was deleted by the mods. That's what he does whenever someone posts something he doesn't like. As such, I'm copying it here so people will know that he's a Motion hater and posts ridiculous comments to show his dislike. This is the same guy who can't tell the difference between a PJ and the X-Fly when he sees it in person and posts up pictures of the PJ in the Xfly thread to show the bad things about it. He deleted it to hide his embarrassment. He has posted many other comments in that and other threads showing his mental dexterity (of lack thereof).
I will most likely get banned from RCG as I don't let this kind of garbage go. The good should always be defended and the bad should always be outed.

Quote:

Quote: His reply to James ................................... Originally Posted by PittSpecial Putting it kind of thick here, don't you agree? MotionRC did discontinue DYNAM brand so, I am not sure how accurate your statement would be here amongst presenting a very important point to the entire RC community. My reply to him (PS).................... Putting it kind of THIN here, don't you agree? MotionRC did NOT discontinue DYNAM brand. They just stopped selling it just like they stopped selling FMS when Horizon took that monopoly. So, I am not sure how accurate your statements would be here amongst presenting a very MIXED UP and CONFUSED point to the entire RC community. First, you got the WRONG plane and posted about it in the WRONG thread, then you couldn't even notice that the PJ actually HAD white paint. Now this monstrosity of a post! We all see the trend here. Must be SOOOO embarrassing. I can't even imagine. No, wait. Yes, I can.

[avanti127]

YES it does... It's spring what do we expect.

[Evan D]

I just looked at Saturdays weather. Now says crazy winds...

[avanti127]

Well, you're known for crashing at least!


Sorry Joe, I had to... Saturday is looking nice.

PSSSSSH , I can say something here but I will be nice as I usually am!!!

[Evan D]

Well, you're known for crashing at least!


Sorry Joe, I had to... Saturday is looking nice.

LOL, I am already known at my field for bringing Christmas tree planes to the field! It will be a few weeks James, I want to maiden it first, then the window then Paint.

Also will have LOGO lights on it. Doing that mod tonight. I see it was done on here and another friend at our field did his yesterday. That looks really go on it.

[James]

Finally going to get mine started this weekend. Going with a S.H.I.E.L.D. theme.

All of the bantering going on at the RCG threads for the PJ and its competitor has been entertaining. Much of it makes one just shake your head.

Ugh. I really dislike the way those threads just devolve and the bickering. I really only go to RCG to check our latest release thread in the early goings to answer any questions that maybe weren't answered in our initial media but am more than happy to just post that info here and let others copy it over there. I find it just really toxic. I'd rather sit in traffic if I want to put myself in a bad mood.

[Twowingtj]

Finally going to get mine started this weekend. Going with a S.H.I.E.L.D. theme.

All of the bantering going on at the RCG threads for the PJ and its competitor has been entertaining. Much of it makes one just shake your head.

[avanti127]

avanti127 - I would be excited to see this. Thats the one mod I don't think I saw on any of the AL37's. Thought it would have looked so cool if the entire fuse was lit up on the inside and each window was cut out but some full open, some half way, some closed....

LOL, I am already known at my field for bringing Christmas tree planes to the field! It will be a few weeks James, I want to maiden it first, then the window then Paint.

Also will have LOGO lights on it. Doing that mod tonight. I see it was done on here and another friend at our field did his yesterday. That looks really go on it.

[PowerJet]

Wwwweeellllll…..I attempted it with the AL37. First thought about an individual LED in each window, but discounted it after doing the design...even looked at LED light strips. Probably would have worked, if the plane had not been assembled. Then I lit up the insides and cut out windows and covered with a clear plastic disc. The holes are too small to see, and I ended up creating a flying banana of light.

Then tried to paint the interior black to kill the lit banana effect. Could not get it evenly coated with black. So I ended up with a spottedly lit flying banana.

Then I tried fiber optics to take light from an enclosed light box to each window. I did a few windows, and it worked. But you could not see the windows in flight. Bigger fiber optic fiber for a larger light in the window would weigh too much.

I will try to post a photo, if I can find it.

-GG

Found them....It did look good on the ground after sunset or before sunrise.

That's actually pretty cool. It looks like the reflection you see in the windows from passengers reading newspapers and other literature. Nice!

[xviper]

All this talk about the PJ's paint possibly being bad like on the AL-37, I just came back from doing a test. I took the same masking tape that I used on the AL-37, stuck it on a small strip on the underside where it can't be seen if the paint pulled off. I rubbed the tape really well so it stuck on the paint. Then I peeled off the tape and lo and behold ............... NO PAINT CAME OFF! This white paint is just fine and is nothing like what came on the original batch of the AL-37. Now, I can't say what would happen if a larger section was masked off since I'm not that willing to chance it just to prove a point, however, on the AL, I had similar small sections masked off and the paint came off like a stripper's top.

[PowerJet]

I added logo lights to the tail. I placed lights inside the engine pylons. I think it came out pretty good. Had a little mishap on top of the tail. Spackling it now.

[GliderGuy]

avanti127 - I would be excited to see this. That's the one mod I don't think I saw on any of the AL37's. Thought it would have looked so cool if the entire fuse was lit up on the inside and each window was cut out but some full open, some half way, some closed....

Wwwweeellllll…..I attempted it with the AL37. First thought about an individual LED in each window, but discounted it after doing the design...even looked at LED light strips. Probably would have worked, if the plane had not been assembled. Then I lit up the insides and cut out windows and covered with a clear plastic disc. The holes are too small to see, and I ended up creating a flying banana of light.

Then tried to paint the interior black to kill the lit banana effect. Could not get it evenly coated with black. So I ended up with a spottedly lit flying banana.

Then I tried fiber optics to take light from an enclosed light box to each window. I did a few windows, and it worked. But you could not see the windows in flight. Bigger fiber optic fiber for a larger light in the window would weigh too much.

I will try to post a photo, if I can find it.

-GG

Found them....It did look good on the ground after sunset or before sunrise.

[PowerJet]

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[James]

avanti127 - I would be excited to see this. Thats the one mod I don't think I saw on any of the AL37's. Thought it would have looked so cool if the entire fuse was lit up on the inside and each window was cut out but some full open, some half way, some closed....

[avanti127]

I don't have this and have not seen the XFly. I really like the PJ, it has typical FW quality and looks great in the air and on the bench. I like the contra rotating fans. I like the scheme and that the white is painted, on the ones here the paint looks well stuck. About the only thing I don't like are the "windows", it's a single sticker and they are plane dark gray dots. Not sure if the XFly window sticker would work or if Callie would make something, either way that's the one and only thing that struck me.

Good job FreeWing!

I agree with the windows E. I plan on cutting them out and installing Lexan on the inside with some lighting.

[avanti127]

If you are interested, here are my initial impressions of the PJ50 after 2 outings (30 flights total). Today was 10 mph gusting to about 15 mph when thermals passed by. I am at the CG mark on the wings right now. Moving the CG back will alter my comments below, no doubt. The below is with NO GYRO. Throws are by the book.

Executive Summary = I love it!

Random comments:

• Wow and double wow!....now to be more specific:
• The landing gear shock system is well tuned. A couple of times today a gust hit her just before touchdown...she didn't bounce after smacking the runway. The springs absorbed the energy w/o throwing her back into the air. I am impressed!!!!!!
• Sooooo easy to land, but watch out. This is a low drag design. She will float forever, if you come in hot.
• I settled on about 30% throttle on downwind, 15% on base leg, then reducing to maybe 5% to near touchdown...chopping the power totally when about 5 or 6 feet up. If you leave much power on, she will go forever before touchdown. Reverse thrust will be helpful on short fields. If your field is short…consider adding this!
• She has the lightest wing loading of any bird I have. A gust can easily blow her back into the air after touchdown. Keep flying her until she SLOWS a lot. Be ready to find yourself back in the air after touchdown when there are wind gusts. Don't look away until you are SLOW.
• Crosswind landings require a lot of upwind aileron after touchdown, or she'll lift the upwind wing easily. During approach in a crosswind, she's a piece of cake.
• She is sooooo darn fast, and she has a high thrust to weight ratio. Fly by at 1/2 power then point the nose straight up and go to full power.....she doesn't stop until she's very high up*. Amazing! A 60 to 70 degree climb never ends*.
• I flew around mostly at 1/2 power unless doing speed runs and acro. 4 min 30 seconds of mixed flying used only about 3200 mAh. With careful throttle management, 5 to 6 min flights on a 6000 mAh battery will be attainable.
• Everything runs cooler than the AL37. The BEC and ESCs "seem" to be cooler to the touch. I have a hand-held fan that I blow over the AL37 BEC and ESCs after a flight. This bird does not seem to need this...even after many flights in a row as fast as I could get her back into the air. Likely there is better through the body air flow for cooling.
• Flight characteristics; On low rate, she rolls nearly as fast as my F-4...she has very high roll rate. Slow down / chop power / pull the stick back....she just happily mushes along like the A-10 does. A gust might cause her to drop a wing, but otherwise....she's a kitty cat at slow speeds. At book throws, I could not get her to snap roll or spin. I almost got a true spin turn outa her...I think. But she self recovered quickly. I will work on it more, but I was not able to get a pretty hammer-head stall-turn outa her. She runs outa rudder authority...I can't push the nose around.
• No flap/elevator mix is needed.
• She totally lacks the Wichita wiggle (yaw oscillation) that the AL37 has on gusty days. That's not to say that the windy/gusty conditions I flew in today didn't knock her around, but no pitch, roll, or yaw oscillations were seen. She gets back to a static stability very quickly after a gust upset.
• The PJ50 will disappear on you and blend into a sky with haze...especially in up-sun sky quadrants. Be careful.
• High-speed, full power photo passes are incredible!!!! Beautiful
• During a couple of approaches, I got her a little slow. Interestingly she just does a rapid wing rock back and forth oscillation to touchdown….probably caused by alternate wing stall vortex shedding. Not that this type of approach is recommended, but she stopped in a very little length of runway and didn't hit hard.
• Only a couple of times did the wing drop enough on landing in gusts to contact the runway. I will add skid plate material where I see the wing contacted the runway. It was a gentle touch...no tendency to yaw the nose toward the tip that was touching.
• I decided to remove the aileron expo. But, I'm used to the F-4, MiG-29 and AL37. Just don't overcontrol on the aileron. Good aileron authority is maintained even at slow speeds
• Elevator authority is nicely tuned to the airframe. No issues with that. Rudder authority seems to be lacking, but it could be just me. I will experiment more with hammer heads, spins, snap rolls, on high rate.
• She flies inverted just fine. I added 3 clicks of power before inverting (3 clicks north of neutral). She does require some down stick to hold level inverted.
• High-speed into vertical rolls are a thing of beauty. WOW...to the moon*. VERY IMPRESSIVE!
• After all of this flying/acro, I do not see any wing foam flexing/stress cracks or even cell-boundary stress indications. I did not add internal carbon bracing like I did on the AL37.
• DO NOT LAND TOWARD OBSTICALS. You will likely hit them...because she floats and floats and floats if you are the least bit fast.
• This bird is one heck of a glider. Get her up 300-400 feet, chop the power, and go get a cup of coffee while she descends. She should thermal VERY well power off. I will find out.
• Again, you are gonna love the landing gear. True, it is narrow and will tip over, but it is VERY NICELY tuned for handling a dropped in landing. A good landing just feels REALLY GOOD. It has a nice sound rolling, too.
• Take off is a cinch. Add full power, touch the up elevator...you're flying. 1/4 flap on take-off, full flap on landing.
• Picky thing, but I am glad the landing gear deploy/retract is done without the artificial delay.
• Love the sound she makes flying by.
• I was impressed by how well she tolerated the 10 to 15 mph gusty conditions.
• My opinion.....Freewing has a winner here.

-GG

*You may assume the max altitude was less than the max allowed altitude for RC planes.

Great review!

[Evan D]

I don't have this and have not seen the XFly. I really like the PJ, it has typical FW quality and looks great in the air and on the bench. I like the contra rotating fans. I like the scheme and that the white is painted, on the ones here the paint looks well stuck. About the only thing I don't like are the "windows", it's a single sticker and they are plane dark gray dots. Not sure if the XFly window sticker would work or if Callie would make something, either way that's the one and only thing that struck me.

Good job FreeWing!

[JamesonC]

Heck of a write up Gliderguy!!! Thanks for that!