Official Freewing Twin 80mm EDF A-10 Thunderbolt II Super Scale V2 Thread

[andybuch]

what are the Gyro setting for the A10? I'm getting the 9 blade version and adding the Freewing EG01 6 Axis Gyro Stabilized Flight Control System. not in the app software yet!

[3D-Seth]

Which version is being demo'd in the vids???
I must have missed it...

the inrunners or the outrunners?


It's pretty F**King Cool boys!

I'm reasonably confident Wes flew all the daytime videos with the outrunner setup. I believe he shot a dusk video (a short of this flight was posted on our YouTube channel) and that flight may be with the inrunners, but I'm not 100% certain. I do know he has the inrunners installed now.

[Alphonso]

Regarding 90mm nacelles, the new nacelles look the same, so possibly just get V1 90mm ones. We'll soon know 😊

[Aros]

The previous A-10 model could run 90mm fans, can this one as well? Will the old conversions work?

As of this moment, there is no indication that Freewing will be offering the 90mm conversion kit. However, that could change down the road.

[Evan D]

The old one could not just run 90's. It was an upgrade that consisted of a lot of parts including the whole foam motor pods. I think you know that but "The previous A-10 model could run 90mm fans" is misleading.

The previous A-10 model could run 90mm fans, can this one as well? Will the old conversions work?

[Aros]

Good question, stay tuned!

[KevinMar]

The previous A-10 model could run 90mm fans, can this one as well? Will the old conversions work?

[Evan D]

Older one before FW started putting reversing ESCs in? The MiG now has the caps.

https://www.motionrc.com/products/freewing-80mm-edf-mig-29-100a-escs-with-8a-ubec-set-084d002001

Pretty sure the mig 29 didn't come with extra external cap packs. I removed them and put them in a draw, sought them out earlier today to see if I should get the ARF A10 and they had no extra caps fitted.

[GliderGuy]

At least the A-10 V2 ESC pictures in the spare parts show the cap packs are present.

-GG

[Alphonso]

Pretty sure the mig 29 didn't come with extra external cap packs. I removed them and put them in a draw, sought them out earlier today to see if I should get the ARF A10 and they had no extra caps fitted.

[Aros]

From the variety pack (Amazon), pick what size fits in the room you have. Bigger wires will take bigger chokes to be able to close. Minor foam trimming may be needed. For the UBEC-to-RX wire, use the smallest choke from the variety pack.

Any choke is better than none.

-GG

Ordered! Thanks for the tip!

[GliderGuy]

Thanks, Evan!

[Evan D]

Yes. Go to the spare parts and look at the ESCs picture.

[GliderGuy]

Because of the long battery supply wire length, can anyone tell me if the ESCs have the added external capacitor banks like the MiG-29 has that are there to protect each of the ESCs?

On the MiG-29, the external bank of capacitors are located adjacent to each ESC.

Thanks,
-GG

[GliderGuy]

Great, what size do you recommend for these EDFs?

From the variety pack (Amazon), pick what size fits in the room you have. Bigger wires will take bigger chokes to be able to close. Minor foam trimming may be needed. For the UBEC-to-RX wire, use the smallest choke from the variety pack.

Any choke is better than none.

-GG

[Aros]

Great, what size do you recommend for these EDFs?

[GliderGuy]

I still have my V1 power pod from the crashed bird. So, I opened it up to investigate where one could place the RF chokes. Remember, the closer to the ESC, the better.

Plenty of room and 2 placement options….

Note, These are not clipped or zip tied. I was simply experimenting with placement options.

You can bet that my V2 will have these installed. I’ve learn the hard way what happens if you don’t use them.

Then a small one will be placed by the green ferrite ring choke up by the receiver.

Three chokes total. Consider adding them to the SR-71, too. There is lots of room in the SR’s motor nacelles. I did…and I am confident the SR-71 is better (less chance of loss of control) for having done it.

Photos below are from both the topside and bottom side of the power pod. Zoom in and you will see the black chokes around the big main red, big main black and the smaller red/black/white throttle signal wires.

Only one of 2 power module RF chokes is placed and not closed or zip tied…experimenting only.

-GG

PS…This A-10 VERY likely crashed because the RF chokes were not used. It experienced a total loss of control one day. I was discussing this crash with a Ham Radio guru…he clued me in on the need for using the chokes.

[Aros]

Interesting about those chokes! Would love to see a photo of how you place them once you get your A-10. Cheers!

[GliderGuy]

Not to rehash all the info in other HS forum debates and discussions about RF chokes, I will summarize…..

-Those with radio gear that can monitor TX/RX communications/quality proved RF chokes do good things. RF chokes lessen the percentage of holds and drops.
-Large high current EDFs benefit the most. No need to use them on a P-38, for example.
-It was stated that the high current ESC(s) can generate enough RF noise to disrupt the RX FHSS look-up table pointer. When this happens, loss of control results.
-The UBEC generates RF noise, too. It benefits from an extra choke.
-I lost a few EDF jets before I started using RF chokes. I have not lost a single plane due to loss of control since I began installing RF chokes. THAT’S ALL THE EVIDENCE I NEED…period.

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They clip on, but it’s a good idea to put a zip tie around each choke to secure the closure clips. Place them on the wires as close to the ESC(s) as possible and ONLY on the side of the ESC(s) going towards the fuselage where the RX is located. No need to put them on the motor side wires of the ESC(s). You can…won’t hurt, but the motor side wires of the ESC(s) generate less RF noise.

I generally add small RF chokes to LONG control servo wires and out at/near the control servo. For example the rudder and elevator servo wires of a AL-37.

Chokes are light weight. I also add another near the “green” ferrite ring choke that is on the wire running from the UBEC to the RX.

Bottom line….They can’t hurt, and they seem to help. I fly a LOT. So, several thousand care free flights are proof enough for me.

Go to Amazon and search for clip-on RF chokes. Buy a variety pack. The large ones will accommodate all the wires coming out of the ESC in a single choke. The tiny ones can be placed on long-run servo wires. As near to the servo as possible.

One example Amazon offering follows. Also a photo of the chokes installed in an AL-37 belly near the two ESCs as an example placement, so you can see how they fit the ESC wires (motor side wires in this photo…2 more are on the other side of the ESCs….overkill on motor side, as noted above…but can’t hurt.)

-GG

PS…On the SR-71, three (3) RF chokes are used. One at each ESC and one near the green ferrite ring choke on the wire coming from the UBEC to the RX.

https://a.co/d/fROI2Kg

[p51mustangman]

Yep…thanks for the info guys.

Me too….ordered

Lost my A-10 V1 a few years ago when the RF chokes were not installed or known about by me.

Will be putting RF chokes on this one, first thing.

-GG

What were the Rf chokes? Still have a v1 and have only flown it a few times without issue