Official RotorScale UH-1A Medic Green 450 Size Helicopter Discussion Thread

[Valkpilot]

Living in a free-market society, we forget who the MRC folks are dealing with. Despite the capitalist veneer, China is still a Communist country. The company that's building RC helicopters today could be ordered to start making surveillance drones for the government tomorrow.

[Valkpilot]

That just has to be the most inept and uninformative response, ever.

Consider me to be yet another 'lost customer' .

You just don't get it, do you. They can't tell the full truth, because it may be held against them, and the Chinese have them over a barrel because the have no practical recourse in the matter. And I work in retail and can't tell you how many customers swore they'd never shop at the store I work at again, but are back next week complaining about something else. So you go along your way, more stuff for the rest of us when the kinks get ironed out.

[Grady.c]

Look my point is can we just stop arguing Cyclone, your going to get banned. I understand you are upset that you don't have your helicopter yet but this is no reason to make a fuss.

[Valkpilot]

When all is said and done, never try to market an end product still in the making.

Simple as that.

But it ISN'T that simple when you are a "small" business and you have to factor in international politics. If up to a specific point, your suppliers deliver on-time, as expected, you build your marketing model based on this. But when dealing with international politics, it can suddenly turn into a grey area. And being a small business, they don't have the buffer that larger companies do who could theoretically go to another supplier,
because they've just put the level of capital for a certain product in that one place. Just look at what's happening in your own country with BREXIT Cyclone. I'm sure that the UK is having similar "problems" with EU trading partners.

[Cyclone 7]

I can't say much publicly for a variety of reasons, Valkpilot, but you're sniffing up the right tree, my friend, in terms of "X, Y, Z".

That just has to be the most inept and uninformative response, ever.

Consider me to be yet another 'lost customer' .

[Cyclone 7]

When all is said and done, never try to market an end product still in the making.

Simple as that.

[Valkpilot]

I can't say much publicly for a variety of reasons, Valkpilot, but you're sniffing up the right tree, my friend, in terms of "X, Y, Z".

Wholly understand. Official comments could mean Big Trouble in Big China. But when you have answers you CAN publicize that effect an entire product line, post it on all threads in that product line. Just type up a response in a Word program, copy, paste, go to the next thread, paste, repeat as necessary. Not all people go to the main page, just to the subs that pertain to them. And as far as your problems go, perhaps you should hire Kurt Russel as a liaison to the manufacturers?:)

[Alpha]

I can't say much publicly for a variety of reasons, Valkpilot, but you're sniffing up the right tree, my friend, in terms of "X, Y, Z".

[F106DeltaDart]

Have a bit of patience.. I work in the world of full scale helicopter flight test. A delay can come from the smallest of items, from supplier shortages on a particular bolt, to last minute design alterations and software tweaks. Schedules change on a daily, if not hourly basis. There is so much more going on in a helicopter then Motion is used to in the fixed wing world. There are 10 times the parts, all more complicated to build with extremely tight tolerances. Its better to take the time and ensure everything is lined up and good to go, rather than push it out the door as quickly as possible. Other heli manufacturers (both RC and full scale) have been guilty of that mistake before.

[Valkpilot]

Cant we just agree that this is taking longer than anyone expected and not argue about such trivial things.

It's more than that Grady. You know how over on the fixed wing side that there has been seemingly long delays on project announcements to the actual release. But I don't think the problem is MRC. I think the problem is in the Middle Kingdom with the trade "difficulties" going on between the US and China. Before this started MRC went an and asked if they could make X, Y, and Z, and were given a time frame by the manufacturers on when to expect delivery. Now with the disputes going on, the manufacturers are suddenly having "difficulties" on their end satisfying MRCs orders. One of the reasons I suspect this is just look at how many aircraft Hobby King USED to have vice what they have now. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the major model producers over there have switched from producing exportable products to local consumer goods.

[Cyclone 7]

PS - I lost track of the number of times that the marketing fellow mentioned how 'super excited' he and Motion RC was about the imminent release of this new line, in the original video ........

I trust that you are all still SUPER EXCITED?

[Cyclone 7]

Cant we just agree that this is taking longer than anyone expected and not argue about such trivial things.

Again, absolutely wrong - this is hardly trivial.

Do not ever market an idea - Marketing 101.

I am quite expecting a 450 Scale series to suddenly pop up elsewhere - before Motion RC ever get their act together.

By the way, the Motion RC Europe site is not worth visiting - not much works other than for the home page.

[Grady.c]

Cant we just agree that this is taking longer than anyone expected and not argue about such trivial things.

[Valkpilot]

Among all the products we're bringing in, each has its unique challenges and each must meet our series of standards before being deemed ready to upload onto the website. We're not quite there yet with these 450s due to some special circumstances. As Seaviper said, it's an unfortunate risk of "business", we do our best to avoid it, and I'd feel comfortable asserting our record of timeliness and transparency is solid in this industry. This is why we didn't load the products to the webpage and start taking preorders on an All New category that has never been done before in the RC Hobby to this degree... the day that they're on the product page on www.motionrc.com, you'll know all things are GO. In the meantime, we've publicized the models here on Hobby Squawk as a preview of what's to come... which is standard practice for just about everyone. We've got many other products online, and we continue to be open to feedback from customers regarding these 450 Helos as we gauge interest and tweak the final formats for this all new model category.

Increasingly it seems many people are asking for a version without the FBL FC, so presently that is in the works.

I understand and appreciate the anticipation. No one wants these in eager pilots' hands more than I do.


Thanks, all!

You speak of transparency, but only post this information on ONE thread. If it's a problem with an ENTIRE PRODUCT LINE, shouldn't you post it to the other product pages as well? Some people are interested in one or two products in this line, so they might not look at the the forum, only the specific thread. And in regards to this product line, many are going WTF or wondering if this will be MRCs Tucker Torpedo.

[Cyclone 7]

Among all the products we're bringing in, each has its unique challenges and each must meet our series of standards before being deemed ready to upload onto the website. We're not quite there yet with these 450s due to some special circumstances. As Seaviper said, it's an unfortunate risk of "business", we do our best to avoid it, and I'd feel comfortable asserting our record of timeliness and transparency is solid in this industry. This is why we didn't load the products to the webpage and start taking preorders on an All New category that has never been done before in the RC Hobby to this degree... the day that they're on the product page on www.motionrc.com, you'll know all things are GO. In the meantime, we've publicized the models here on Hobby Squawk as a preview of what's to come... which is standard practice for just about everyone. We've got many other products online, and we continue to be open to feedback from customers regarding these 450 Helos as we gauge interest and tweak the final formats for this all new model category.

Increasingly it seems many people are asking for a version without the FBL FC, so presently that is in the works.

I understand and appreciate the anticipation. No one wants these in eager pilots' hands more than I do.


Thanks, all!

More 'Martketing BS' - why can you not just admit that your concept is in fact, still far from becoming a reality? The Chinese are very likely now jumping you to the gun - hence, your parts supply problem.

You announced this far to soon, before getting all your 'ducks in a row' - from a Chinese perspective, 'charity forever begins at home'.

[Alpha]

Among all the products we're bringing in, each has its unique challenges and each must meet our series of standards before being deemed ready to upload onto the website. We're not quite there yet with these 450s due to some special circumstances. As Seaviper said, it's an unfortunate risk of "business", we do our best to avoid it, and I'd feel comfortable asserting our record of timeliness and transparency is solid in this industry. This is why we didn't load the products to the webpage and start taking preorders on an All New category that has never been done before in the RC Hobby to this degree... the day that they're on the product page on www.motionrc.com, you'll know all things are GO. In the meantime, we've publicized the models here on Hobby Squawk as a preview of what's to come... which is standard practice for just about everyone. We've got many other products online, and we continue to be open to feedback from customers regarding these 450 Helos as we gauge interest and tweak the final formats for this all new model category.

Increasingly it seems many people are asking for a version without the FBL FC, so presently that is in the works.

I understand and appreciate the anticipation. No one wants these in eager pilots' hands more than I do.


Thanks, all!

[Cyclone 7]

I wouldn't go that far cyclone. I guess it's just business.

Absolutely wrong - never, ever let marketing get ahead of production. A company's credibility ever relies more on the latter, than the former - a disappointed client base is a sure way to kill your business.

Obnoxious, hyped up marketing has destroyed more than a few seemingly sound enterprises.

[seaviper]

I wouldn't go that far cyclone. I guess it's just business.

[Cyclone 7]

The lack of communication is quite telling - the silence is almost deafening, in fact. Extremely discourteous and very amateurish to say the least.

[seaviper]

I gave up on them already