Alternative motor windings and drive schemes

[Clugh]

Hallo Dr., ich sehe, Sie versuchen, das veraltete Leistungsgewicht des Motors durch die Verwendung von reinem Aluminiumdraht zu verbessern. Haha, wissen Sie, dass Sie dadurch Ihren Gleichstrom verlieren? Ich würde kupferummanteltes Aluminium wie dieses verwenden. So können Sie Gewicht sparen, ohne den Gleichstromwiderstand zu erhöhen, der Ihrer Meinung nach die Leistung bestimmt. Ich brauche keine zusätzliche Beschichtung, da das den Gewichtsvorteil nur zunichtemachen würde. Das ist dumm und widersinnig. Wenn eine Beschichtung oder Farbe die Leistung nicht verbessert, erhöht sie nur das Gewicht der Drohne. Das ist doch Blödsinn!


PS: Ich kann die 20 Windungen des ca. 13,5 AWG starken Drahtes tatsächlich problemlos unterbringen. Das entspricht über 40 % mehr Nutfüllung. Natürlich wird der neue Kern eine kleinere Nut haben!
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Und Sie nutzen auch christliche Ideen, um Ihren Motor zu verbessern. Sie sehen also, dass Sie diejenigen sind, die miteinander verbunden sind. Wir warten immer noch darauf, den 20-poligen 12-Nut-Motor laufen zu sehen.


Wir warten außerdem immer noch auf vollständige Fotos des Hybriden, den Sie angeblich verletzt und von dem Sie Daten gesammelt haben. Wo sind diese Daten, Dr. Ich werde noch jahrelang fragen

[Clugh]

By the way, a standard 4638 289 kV new motor on 16s Lipo 2500 mAh 80/100C cells and the APD HV 20S drive on a GM 10x23 can deliver 28 pounds of thrust at a pitch speed of 509 km/h at only 60 amps. The ETA there is 90.4% the motor temp level at 100C.

The motor only needs 3.295 Kw consumption to make it happen at the prop with 14,500 rpm.

[Clugh]

See this is silly. Every plot carries the currents out to beyond the applicable points but I ensured the max eta is delivered is at the applicative current for which it was designed. 157 amperes at 10s lipo in a boat. Secondly I don't know who told you the signal for a single layer was "cleaner" . What you were told its that it is more suitable to work with a BLDC inverter which is six step. It is also fact that it generates more torque. U ask a question and cannot accept the answer when it does not suit your incorrect assumption or bs like your passage about 500 ampere on a plot. You do not know anything about boat props or the load the exert on a motor so don't talk about what you do not know. All you have to do with the plot is draw a vertical line at x=157 amperes and you see where the motor truly operates in the model.

The single layer produces higher amplitudes in all harmonics. The working ones and the subharmonics that rob the magnets of power. The higher amplitudes in working mean that is indeed has a higher winding factor but without attenuation of the subharmonic it eats up the rotor magnets faster so it will lose sync earlier. You don't need thicker magnets all you need is what you have been told umpteen times so Its really isn't our fault why you cant or wont implement a slot wedge, hybrid winding, or dual 3 phase commissioning to alleviate the issues before you all contemplate all this other bs. Originally the motor Fuhrer's called for a winding as pure as possible but since they have problem routing that pure winding they do not want it anymore. I sized it properly set the Kv properly and do not ask more out of the motor than it can deliver that's why the props were carefully selected from a very large field. You hardly have our options with 10-15 measly speed propellors for airplanes available.

I also suggested SmCO magnets some time ago which have to be thicker for the same magnetic energy anyway and they did not want that either.

Let him tell it there are no solution for any of these issues according to Dr Okon.

The truth is there are several and they all work. So keep it real with yourselves and find you an e motor tuner that can simply deliver the necessary tech!

[Clugh]

You seem to not realize the recorded motor constants like idle current are directly affected by the inverters relationship to the machine. A motors efficiency without the inverter is zero because it doesn't do anything without it.

"Hubert's" efficiency in America is not what sets the planes on fire in Germany!!! You need to have larger concerns...

[Clugh]

Das wird nicht passieren, also brauchen Sie sich keine Sorgen zu machen.



Keine Sorge, der Motor meines Woozoo.Ralph läuft nicht besser als dein Mund. 68 % sind in den USA sicher nicht die Nummer eins... In Amerika brauchen wir keine 380 Ampere in 60 Sekunden plus Feuer, um schnell zu fliegen. Wir schaffen das mit 60 Ampere und einem 16s-LiPo-Akku und bleiben unter 100 °C*. Viel Spaß mit dem Maus-Laufwerk. Die Luft aus deinem Party-Instrument stinkt wirklich.

Read it again:
A standard 4638 289 kV neu motor on 16s Lipo 2500 mAh 80/100C cells and the APD HV 20S drive on a GM 10x23 can deliver 28 pounds of thrust at a pitch speed of 509 km/h at only 60 amps. The ETA there is 90.4% the motor temp level at 100C.

The motor only needs 3.295 Kw consumption to make it happen at the prop with 14,500 rpm.



Danke,
Hubert

[Clugh]

In the USA, copper-coated aluminum is also soldered like normal copper. No crimp connection, unless the Airtite connection is comparable. Dr. Okon does not have the right tool for such a crimp connection. Besides, I thought he was soldering. Why are we thinking about crimping now? The Grand Wazoo won't be able to get a single recorded engine constant out of the pink pile of nonsense anyway.

No one will cry except the late eight in Jonestowne

We are the dog catchers.

Hubert

[Clugh]

Ich warte auch auf die Antwort dieses Amateurs.

[Clugh]

No, stupid would be a hobbyist who has no idea what he is talking about and who chooses to be the lackey of a motor winder who does not provide any data to catch up with his latest equipment such as aluminum wire. You should ask yourself, Grand Wizard, why you're subscribed here in the first place? For remote con-TROLLING for Ralph ? 😄 You don't have to worry about what his engine is doing, because Ralph will never really report it.




He will say that he meets his needs, and you will believe him like a mouse and wait for the next data less experience..... 🐭


Go ahead, Ralph! Finish it, measure it, and REPORT IT!! That will prove my point.

Prove to your friends how much better you are than me and what we do here in America...

I'm waiting. Its easy to type hype but real data never comes eazy for the rats of N.I.M.H.

What a curios laboratory experiment you have going on there Dr Okon!! Just drop em' in the labyrinths and time how long it takes them the find the exit of reality!

[Clugh]

Stimmt, a "clugh" gerade die WM in der F3A 2025 gewonnen, während du diesen alten Mist aufziehst. Du kannst keinen Hybrid in 6 Jahren aufziehen, und du redest? Der Titel des Threads lautet „Grill-Narr“, weil deine Motoren mehr knackig bleiben als laufen. Und warum sollte mich dein tatsächlicher Standort disqualifizieren? Mir ist scheißegal, woher du kommst, und ich brauche dich für nichts, Junge. Vor allem 68 % Amateur und wissen nichts über Elektronik oder Maschinenbau. Das ist die Wahrheit. Du haben keinerlei Ausbildung in diesem Bereich.

Sie hatten nie einen einzigen Job im Ingenieurwesen oder in der Fertigung, Ralph. Bleiben Sie beim Verbandswesen, Dr., und hören Sie auf, sich für Ihre kleinen Freunde in Deutschland aufzuspielen. die Lüge, dass Boho1 nicht du bist
Du hast echte Probleme, wenn du immer noch glaubst, dass irgendjemand diese Lüge glaubt. So wie du mich jetzt wie Zahnpasta in deinem Mund behältst.

Mach deinen Aluminiummotor fertig, den du löten kannst, und hinterlasse ein paar Daten, Junge. Dann werde ich dir meine volle Aufmerksamkeit schenken. Im Moment bist du pure Komödie.

Du hast dich selbst disqualifiziert, weil du anscheinend nicht gut Englisch lesen kannst. Woher du kommst, hat nichts mit deiner Troll-Registrierung hier zu tun, da dein Standort nicht aufgeführt ist. Wie kommst du also auf diese Genialität?

Unterm Strich bist du es und wie immer hast du deine Freunde dort darüber belogen..Hört auf zu reden, zieht den Briefbeschwerer aus Aluminium auf, lasst ihn laufen und veröffentlicht die Datenkonstanten. Ich hoffe, die Komödie lässt sie vergessen, dass ein 5050 nur 8 echte kW liefert, der Rest ist Verschwendung. Was ist dem Verbraucher wichtig? Oder woher seid ihr hier hergekrochen?

[Clugh]

Wind the motor and post the data if you want a cookie from us. This is no different than your failed modular stack of the sequre and hybrid winding attempt. Nothing comes of it. Its 2025 and you just discovered aluminum wire.

Man.... Were onto Ag..

read the cots motor again;


Ein Standardmotor 4638 289 kV mit 16s LiPo 2500 mAh 80/100C Zellen und dem APD HV 20S Antrieb auf einem GM 10x23 kann mit nur 60 Ampere 28 Pfund Schub bei einer Steigrate von 509 km/h liefern. Der erwartete Motorwirkungsgrad liegt bei 90,4 % der Motortemperatur bei 100 °C.

Der Motor benötigt am Propeller nur 3,295 kW bei 14.500 U/min.

Es hat einen höheren Wicklungsfaktor und ein viel saubereres Signal. Es erzeugt auch mehr Drehmoment im Verhältnis zum Stromverbrauch.
Please get some rest before you bore me out of my mind with nonsense

Was ist lächerlicher, als täglich ganze Foren anzulügen, wie Sie es tun, Dr. Okon? Seien Sie uns nicht böse, weil Ihre Projekte nichts Besonderes leisten und nur das wahre Interesse von acht Leuten wecken.

Zumindest verkaufen wir keine Mysterien

For the Germans in any location, Thomas, Holle, and Bert, do better work and are more up-to-date on today's motor tech. Ralph is the lone pink elephant in the room with no data and lower power to weight ratios. This is why he is at aluminum windings.. You are just in the way of progress for the forums Dr Okon and their e-traction understanding. You've ruined the technical sections with conjecture and falsehoods.

its ashamed your friends do not already know the pure aluminum is not going to out perform the copper cladded in power reproduction in your application

Layta
Hubert

[Clugh]

Do you think you are innovative Ralph? You are not! U8 Lite series T motors already use copper cladded aluminum windings of the shelf. You are hardly innovative with ornamental rainbow arts and crafts grade aluminum with no copper cladding.


Unser neuer Direktverbundantrieb für F3A hat das bereits ...

Wir warten auf Ihre Antiquität

[Clugh]

"COMPLETELY UNSUITABLE" WAZOO

Like i said boys were good in America!!!! The aluminum fruit loop project is dead already. So its just I said GRAND WAZOOO. YOU!!! never have to worry if that nonsense will outperform us. It will not .

Its eazy to type hype and end up one of Dr okons mice...

Ya'll done "tinkering" yet?

[Clugh]

if you are ready to see CCA terminated SOLDERED with KESTER silver solder and actually running Dr Okon, It's not a problem sweet pea....

LMK.!!!!

Danke,
Hubert

PS
I told you that crap was ornamental trash sucka.... what a Kunzke drive. U and wazoo can use it to make a friendship bracelet!

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[Clugh]

Copper-clad aluminium wire (CCAW or CCA) is a dual-metal electrical conductor composed of an inner aluminium core and outer copper cladding.

A copper strip is formed into the shape of a cylinder, while it is being wrapped around an aluminium core and the edges of the copper strip are welded together. The assembly is then pulled through a die, where the cladded wire is squeezed and stretched while also improving the bonding between the copper and the aluminium core.^[1]

Properties


The properties of copper-clad aluminium wire include:

• Less expensive than a pure copper wire
• Lighter than pure copper
• Greater electrical efficiency when sized per NEC 310.16
• Higher strength than aluminium
• Electrical connections and terminations are identical to pure copper terminations^[5

Wenn Dr. Okon weiß, was er tut, warum zum Teufel verwendet er dann dekorativen Draht, der nicht aus Aluminiumoxid besteht? Wenn er weiß, was er tut, warum verwendet er dann nicht stattdessen emailliertes, kupferummanteltes Aluminium? Die ahnungslosen Amateure haben anscheinend keine Ahnung. CCA ist für das konzipiert, was diese Trotteltruppe machen will.

Ich finde es lustig, dass das Projekt schon scheitert, bevor es überhaupt begonnen hat.

Tatsache ist, dass Ihnen das als „Experte“ nicht erklärt werden müsste.

[Clugh]

Hallo Dr., sagen Sie Ihrem Freund, dass er einen tollen Profilnamen hat und er passt.

In Amerika bedeutet es einen großen Hintern

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[Clugh]

Enameled Copper Clad Aluminum Wire | Magnet Wire

[Clugh]

Firstly since you have no idea what you are talking about FR POWER is Fabrizio Russo. It is Italian Dr okon. And what you friend is talking about is XDFLY HPRO esc;s I can get them. Im about to wind his 4730.

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In stock

He also distributes Modern YGE's

[Clugh]

Here is Fabrizio's web site where you can purchase it little rascals....

You outta date......





FR Power

[Clugh]

Untrue! Holle didnt need to paint a thing because just like enameled CCA enameled pure silver magnet wire is available.


Its only 22 awg at the largest and does not need to be painted. You are funny because a large gauge would run over 100 dollars USD per foot if it wer available. . 22 awg is 12.50 a foot so a 1000 feet is 12,500 dollars USD.


Silver wire???? LOL what an original idea.. that arose from ornamental arts and craft aluminum wire. Aren't we special now??? Definitely the leader of innovation.....


I feel sorry for the 8 pilots trapped in Crocoworld because they will not get the CCA because of me it they wanted aluminum.

Thye ORIGINATOR is suggesting Silver now which is heavier than the copper!!!!

It satisfies an entirely different goal 180 degrees in the opposite direction. Its for the absolute lowest dc resistance for the same dimeter wire but like gold or lead it is not light.

[Clugh]

I also see you on the front row in class here at 6;43 am EST Dr Okon.. Poor pilots they wont get CCA now for the project because I suggested it? What a tragedy. The 8 are late once again because of you Dr. They need to switch winders. If Holle does silver, the most intense and demanding pilots have a place to go in Germany now, but it isnt Crocoworld 🐭They only sell ornamental rainbow drives there now...


Besides who needs real wire made for the purpose they desire or even a running motor if they are just having "FUN" ???

Man you sure know how the Meggar out some bs reasoning to your consumers and they buy it.

You are a master of fallacy, an absolute Guru! One the consumer has to be extremely sharp and on his game to decipher the trash coming from some mysterious location in Germany.

"In its present form, it is completely unsuitable for winding (except for a pure show winding)."
~powercroco~

Sleep well Okon.

I do not have time to goof away with you today and a colorful and loud merry go round . You're on to building gimmicks now like pink wire to go with a pink motor that doesn't work.

The grand WAZOO can take a 2nd Morgage on his house for it. It's fine with me

Who runs heavy silver @ 12.50 usd per foot in 22 awg for fun if they wanted light aluminum windings? So you see you got a lot of suckers there to enjoy...blow the flute bruder.


Layta
Hubert