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  • Evan D
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    I agree 100%. When rebuilt make it simple. The plane flies great with no stabilization at all. It also flies great set up 6ch with no fancy mixing and with standard flaps needs no elevator compensation. And book CG works for the first flights. It's an excellent first EDF.

    Just because others have all the fancy mixing doesn't mean it's a good thing on a first EDF on it's first flights.

    The only thing I would suggest is MAYBE a steering gyro as the F-22 has an odd knuckle in the main gear suspension. I suggest this Assan AG61 Anti-sideslip Front Steering Wheel Gyro (rc-castle.com)​


    Originally posted by xviper
    Please explain "SUPER SQUIRELLY".
    Where to begin? I think if you are going to fix it, maybe you should begin at the beginning and keep it simple. Just because you have an IX20 doesn't mean you have to do the stuff an IX20 will allow you to do. Perhaps you were trying to do too much in terms of programming, SAFE, etc. This is not a hard plane to fly, nor is it a complex plane to set up. Maybe just set it up as a simple 6-ch plane, give yourself 3 different rates and some expo on all control surfaces. Don't worry so much about ELE to flap compensation. Slowing down the flap deployment to 2 seconds makes for less quirkiness. SAFE can be a real problem if you fly too fast (really big, wide turns) or too slow (weird stall characteristics) and particularly if the plane isn't trimmed properly when NOT in SAFE (make sure it's trimmed to fly "hands off" before activating SAFE). My 8s F-22 has no structural mods, no beefed up servos anywhere, basic 6-ch functionality, no ELE to flap comp, simple gyro set up. The maiden was like flying a slow trainer. Landing was like coming down on a marshmallow. The only "fancy" thing I've got on it, is reverse thrust to stop shorter.
    Once you get a good maiden out of the way, then start doing "fancy" stuff with your IX. Perhaps those "beefed up" servos were not the ones to use. The stock ones don't shutter and no reversing is required. An 8s F-22 has more thrust but it really doesn't fly that much faster.

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  • xviper
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    Originally posted by Luke89
    Nose gear steering - HELP PLEASE :)

    Can anyone provide an exploded diagram of the 90mm nose gear servo steering linkage set up, had an incident & doing a main fuselage swap but no clue how the front nose gear all stitches together as I've lost half the pieces. Bought the screw set etc but not sure what horns and extras I need.

    The manual does not actually show an exploded view. If anyone could provide up close pics or a link to some views I would be forever grateful :)

    Also door linkage is it just the one at the front or does the nose steering also link to the doors at the rear side too?

    Thanks :)
    Mine is put away for winter. Try looking at this threads photos. Go to top of page and click on "photos". There might be something there that shows you what you need.

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  • xviper
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    Originally posted by HornDogg

    Well... that didn't go good. Maiden was SUPER SQUIRELLY. ALMOST crashed it trying to get it stable. Did get it back in one piece. Second flight with adjustments... didn't get it back in one piece. 😕

    Kinda got lucky... it rolled hard in a landing approach turn and spiraled down. Pancaked way out in the desert. Ripped one rear gear out and sheered the front one almost off. Gonna join the wait list for a new fuse and reevaluate this setup. I think my receiver and all that SAFE/AS3X stuff didn't help me much. Especially SAFE. It Turned so wide I barely could see it first flight. Sucks... but a part of the process. Also tweaking a HS-85MG shutter issue on the one reversed servo (elevator). Where do I even begin? 😳
    Please explain "SUPER SQUIRELLY".
    Where to begin? I think if you are going to fix it, maybe you should begin at the beginning and keep it simple. Just because you have an IX20 doesn't mean you have to do the stuff an IX20 will allow you to do. Perhaps you were trying to do too much in terms of programming, SAFE, etc. This is not a hard plane to fly, nor is it a complex plane to set up. Maybe just set it up as a simple 6-ch plane, give yourself 3 different rates and some expo on all control surfaces. Don't worry so much about ELE to flap compensation. Slowing down the flap deployment to 2 seconds makes for less quirkiness. SAFE can be a real problem if you fly too fast (really big, wide turns) or too slow (weird stall characteristics) and particularly if the plane isn't trimmed properly when NOT in SAFE (make sure it's trimmed to fly "hands off" before activating SAFE). My 8s F-22 has no structural mods, no beefed up servos anywhere, basic 6-ch functionality, no ELE to flap comp, simple gyro set up. The maiden was like flying a slow trainer. Landing was like coming down on a marshmallow. The only "fancy" thing I've got on it, is reverse thrust to stop shorter.
    Once you get a good maiden out of the way, then start doing "fancy" stuff with your IX. Perhaps those "beefed up" servos were not the ones to use. The stock ones don't shutter and no reversing is required. An 8s F-22 has more thrust but it really doesn't fly that much faster.

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  • Luke89
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    Nose gear steering - HELP PLEASE :)

    Can anyone provide an exploded diagram of the 90mm nose gear servo steering linkage set up, had an incident & doing a main fuselage swap but no clue how the front nose gear all stitches together as I've lost half the pieces. Bought the screw set etc but not sure what horns and extras I need.

    The manual does not actually show an exploded view. If anyone could provide up close pics or a link to some views I would be forever grateful :)

    Also door linkage is it just the one at the front or does the nose steering also link to the doors at the rear side too?

    Thanks :)

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  • HornDogg
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    Originally posted by HornDogg
    Well, I'm late to the 8s F-22 party but I've done my homework! Done pretty much all the recommended mods structurally and beefed up the elevator servos... after getting it programmed enough for a maiden. Then I had to "fix" the right Elevator by reversing it to function properly... forgetting about my flaps>Elev mix. Between no rifgt elevator working, working opposite direction, not working at all with flaps but would work by itself, and insult to injury about 3 hours of YouTube videos and troubleshooting to figure it out (add in I'm setting this all up on my new iX20 radio... literally second plane on the thing). WHAT A LEARNING CURVE. But... it now functions properly. Should be confident enough for a maiden flight on Thursday. We'll see how it goes. Been flying the last 15 years pretty much all helis, drones and planes. Fun sized, aerobatic, 3D, scale and giant scale. All disciplines. This is the first official EDF/Jet. Game on!
    Well... that didn't go good. Maiden was SUPER SQUIRELLY. ALMOST crashed it trying to get it stable. Did get it back in one piece. Second flight with adjustments... didn't get it back in one piece. 😕

    Kinda got lucky... it rolled hard in a landing approach turn and spiraled down. Pancaked way out in the desert. Ripped one rear gear out and sheered the front one almost off. Gonna join the wait list for a new fuse and reevaluate this setup. I think my receiver and all that SAFE/AS3X stuff didn't help me much. Especially SAFE. It Turned so wide I barely could see it first flight. Sucks... but a part of the process. Also tweaking a HS-85MG shutter issue on the one reversed servo (elevator). Where do I even begin? 😳

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  • dsmithwc04
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    Have many of you set your CG aft of the recommended 150mm mark? I was thinking of going with 160mm perhaps?

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  • dsmithwc04
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    Thanks for the info. Perhaps I need to move my CG back to assist with rotating.

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  • xviper
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    Originally posted by dsmithwc04
    Could I ask what battery packs folks are using on the 8S version? My 6000 4s ( 100C Yowoo Graphine ) packs make her fly like a pig.
    I use a combination .............................................
    1. One HRB 6000mah, 6s and one HRB 6000mah, 2s in series.
    2. Twin HRB 5000mah, 4s in series.

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  • Evan D
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    I usually use a Power Hobby 5200 50C 6S and a Coddar 5200 60C 2S. I also use a few different 6000-6200 (Hobby Star 6200 50C, ESpeed 6200 50C or Socokin 6000 60C) and a CHLn6200 30C 2S.

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  • dsmithwc04
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    Could I ask what battery packs folks are using on the 8S version? My 6000 4s ( 100C Yowoo Graphine ) packs make her fly like a pig.

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  • Evan D
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    She’s a easy plane to fly as EDFs go, good luck!

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  • HornDogg
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    Well, I'm late to the 8s F-22 party but I've done my homework! Done pretty much all the recommended mods structurally and beefed up the elevator servos... after getting it programmed enough for a maiden. Then I had to "fix" the right Elevator by reversing it to function properly... forgetting about my flaps>Elev mix. Between no rifgt elevator working, working opposite direction, not working at all with flaps but would work by itself, and insult to injury about 3 hours of YouTube videos and troubleshooting to figure it out (add in I'm setting this all up on my new iX20 radio... literally second plane on the thing). WHAT A LEARNING CURVE. But... it now functions properly. Should be confident enough for a maiden flight on Thursday. We'll see how it goes. Been flying the last 15 years pretty much all helis, drones and planes. Fun sized, aerobatic, 3D, scale and giant scale. All disciplines. This is the first official EDF/Jet. Game on!

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  • JetFun
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    What alternative EDF do you guys recommend for some more power? Like 10% more power or more would be nice. Want to stay on 6s.

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  • Evan D
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    SDW, here is a really good, great deal on a really good system.

    HET 90mm 12s setup - RC Groups​

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  • Evan D
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    Ha, yesterday I flew my FAA compliance aircraft, an almost 30 year old glow control line Ringmaster! I'm getting too old for that!


    I do still have a bunch of glow RC but most, and all my gas have been converted to electric.

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  • SDW2001
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    Originally posted by Evan D
    Please, if you want to go 10 or 12S do it right. Buy a BEC, ESC rated for the voltage and a fan/ motor combo that will handle it. When I had my F-22 on 10 and 12S I had a Castle Talon HV ESC with built in BEC that was good to 12S and a Jetfan edf unit with a HET 1200kV motor. I ended up with it 8S with the Jetfan and HET 1680kV. I was going for a slightly lighter, more 3D type set up as I have TVs on mine. The JF/ HET is a bit more powerful and efficient than the stock 8S but I can understand the draw of 10 and 12. There is a JP fan 12S set up that works well too.

    While my personality may not be great I have been flying for 55 years, was an electronics engineer and worked electronics in the US Navy. I also, for a short time was an external pilot for the Navys Pioneer drone project. And I know who Bob and Frank are.

    Happy Thanksgiving
    Thanks, Evan, that is excellent advice and consistent with what I heard from my main club’s VP yesterday. He didn’t think it would fry per se, but it would get really hot even with a HV ESC and have minimal performance gain. I’m just coming back to the hobby after a 25 year hiatus (flew glow fuel then) so I’ve really dug into the electric side. Thanks for your help. Happy thanksgiving.

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  • Evan D
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    Please, if you want to go 10 or 12S do it right. Buy a BEC, ESC rated for the voltage and a fan/ motor combo that will handle it. When I had my F-22 on 10 and 12S I had a Castle Talon HV ESC with built in BEC that was good to 12S and a Jetfan edf unit with a HET 1200kV motor. I ended up with it 8S with the Jetfan and HET 1680kV. I was going for a slightly lighter, more 3D type set up as I have TVs on mine. The JF/ HET is a bit more powerful and efficient than the stock 8S but I can understand the draw of 10 and 12. There is a JP fan 12S set up that works well too.

    While my personality may not be great I have been flying for 55 years, was an electronics engineer and worked electronics in the US Navy. I also, for a short time was an external pilot for the Navys Pioneer drone project. And I know who Bob and Frank are.

    Happy Thanksgiving

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  • SDW2001
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    Originally posted by xviper
    You don't know and you don't understand is a function of your own mind. Noone has any control over these.
    Rudely is just your perception of it. Factual and to the point may be someone else's.
    "Bob Violet"? Am I supposed to know who that is? Means nothing to me. Name dropping is a trait of very insecure people.
    "Attacks"? Well, again, that's your perception of it.
    I'm a member of two clubs and visit TWO others. What's that got to do with any of this? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!


    It's the end of this for me. You will NOT be getting any further "thoughts" about anything you post henceforth. Totally pointless and achieves nothing. Good Bye.
    You can refuse to respond, but I just wanted to laugh at the fact that you don’t know what a Bob Violet jet is and accused me of “name dropping.” 🤣🤣. It’s a high end jet. I only mentioned it because the kind of people that fly them aren’t exactly amateurish.

    I’m sorry you’re so angry. I guess the mere fact that I asked a question and referenced other points I’ve gotten infuriated you. As for my part, I actually wish you the best.

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  • xviper
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    Originally posted by SDW2001

    Wow. Just…wow. I have been gathering different people’s opinions who have been in the hobby a long time. As I am returning to it after many years, I want to get as many opinions as possible. I just don’t know where you are getting this notion that I don’t want to hear opinions. I even thanked Evan for his opinion, even though he delivered it rudely.

    I have spoken with folks who fly Bob Violet EDF’s, turbines, and more. One is a current US military drone pilot and superb RC pilot. He happens to be someone who thinks the motor will handle it. Others think it will heat up too much and not give much more performance. Still others think it will fry the motor. My plan is to err on the side of caution and upgrade both the EDF power system and ESC.

    What I fail to understand is the ad hominem attacks when someone is asking legitimate questions. It’s as if the message was “no, stupid, it won’t work.” The immediate condescension and snark is really sad, and represents the worst in our hobby. I’m a member of two clubs and frequently visit a third in another geographic area. i’m happy to say that I’ve never been treated like this nomatter how many questions I asked.
    You don't know and you don't understand is a function of your own mind. Noone has any control over these.
    Rudely is just your perception of it. Factual and to the point may be someone else's.
    "Bob Violet"? Am I supposed to know who that is? Means nothing to me. Name dropping is a trait of very insecure people.
    "Attacks"? Well, again, that's your perception of it.
    I'm a member of two clubs and visit TWO others. What's that got to do with any of this? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!


    It's the end of this for me. You will NOT be getting any further "thoughts" about anything you post henceforth. Totally pointless and achieves nothing. Good Bye.

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  • Airguardian
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    Sadly, many people on forums behave like that but don't let that intimidate you ;)

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