New FMS/Eflite Su-30 coming soon

[Tow]

First of all, welcome to the HobbySquawk forums. Second, Motion RC sells Freewing EDF jets. The SU-30 is a Horizon Hobby product by their brand E-Flite. So, you won't see Motion RC selling the E-Flite SU-30. With that said, you will not see Freewing EDF jets offered for sale on the Horizon Hobby website either.

Thanks for the reply. Funny thing is - I did buy a kit of the SU-30 from motion a few weeks back, and that certainly makes me wonder......... Actually I was looking to find some spare parts,-maybe I have to look at Horizon or E-flite.....

[T-CAT]

Why can`t I find the SU-30 in the sites of motionrc??? I`ve tried searching numerous ways but to no avail 🙄

First of all, welcome to the HobbySquawk forums. Second, Motion RC sells Freewing EDF jets. The SU-30 is a Horizon Hobby product by their brand E-Flite. So, you won't see Motion RC selling the E-Flite SU-30. With that said, you will not see Freewing EDF jets offered for sale on the Horizon Hobby website either.

[Tow]

Why can`t I find the SU-30 in the sites of motionrc??? I`ve tried searching numerous ways but to no avail 🙄

[xviper]

Time to IGNORE another one.

[JLambCWU]

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NOT "fact". It's your opinion and impressions. As for "selling" as hard as you like, the forum owners may not see it the same way. But it doesn't really matter. The harder you pitch something, the more I'll run away from that product. You've got ulterior motives for pitching that company.

[fredmdbud]

WTF is with this Russian POS? Why would you want to fly an image of a machine that may attract your armed forces

Seems like some folks are unable to separate planes from (geo)politics. Tell that to all the people state-side who have bought Soviet-bloc planes (MiGs, L-39, YaKs, etc), and likewise Russian modelers who fly F-15s, A-10s, F-4s, etc.

And it's not like American planes could never conceivably be used against the US (Iranian F-4s, F-5s and F-14s)?

I'll continue to fly my Sukhois and MiGs with a clear conscience

[xviper]

THAT is a FACT and I can prove it with well over 2000 EDF flights in 2 years running more than 12 brands of large 6S lipos.

NOT "fact". It's your opinion and impressions. As for "selling" as hard as you like, the forum owners may not see it the same way. But it doesn't really matter. The harder you pitch something, the more I'll run away from that product. You've got ulterior motives for pitching that company.

[JLambCWU]

Like I mentioned earlier and judging from how your plane flies in the video - I get the same performance from my HRB 6s 5000 100c packs. Agree with #xviper stop selling so hard and enjoy the hobby!

What is most impressive in this video is the filming and post production - excellent footage!

I’ve got a pair of HRB 5000 100Cs as well. I’ve tried most all major brands seeking the best performance. They don’t vertical near as well on the twin 70s in the SU-30, they are also noticeably slower in my 90mm F-16s running my 1835 inrunners, with less vertical. They also come down a lot warmer than my RT 70Cs.

To be frank, I’ll sell as hard as I want on great products, I’ve bought a lot of crappy ones gaining as much experience and accumulating products. I currently own 40+ and 7 brands of large 6S lipos. Buy what you want, I’ve never said other brands weren’t adequate for the task.

While some other brands perform well, they don’t perform as well as the Roaring Top 70Cs at the same weight. THAT is a FACT and I can prove it with well over 2000 EDF flights in 2 years running more than 12 brands of large 6S lipos.

[PaulZ]

This jet does not perform this well on most other batteries.

Like I mentioned earlier and judging from how your plane flies in the video - I get the same performance from my HRB 6s 5000 100c packs. Agree with #xviper stop selling so hard and enjoy the hobby!

What is most impressive in this video is the filming and post production - excellent footage!

[Wild Man]

You guys are Funny Opinions are like, you know what. Most just take this sorta thing for granted and use what they like anywhooo where is the Pop corn this is getting Interesting LOL!!!!

[xviper]

This jet does not perform this well on most other batteries.

What proof do you have?

[Hugh Wiedman]

SU- Thirty, down and Dirty! Here is the finished video!

Getting low, slow, fast and vertical with the twin 70mm SU-30 from E-flite. This jet is HEAVY and has no right to perform this good, but she is LOCKED IN. As low as you can get with rapid transitions into the vertical, and that low transition dust plume.

See original post thread for screen grabs of just how low!

All powered by Roaring Top 5500mah 70C batteries from www.rcjetwerx.com. Go see Andy for the most powerful by weight 6S EDF batteries.

Thoroughly enjoyed your full length video. Can you send camera girl out this way for a few weeks? Sounds like you are coming down the runway at maybe 1/2 throttle, then punch it with full up elevator to get your dust off, yes? BTW, Andy is out of stock at the moment.

[JLambCWU]

I promote all good products, be they batteries, radios or airplanes. It’s not a duplicate, it’s the full video that wasn’t completed until today.

This jet does not perform this well on most other batteries.

I don't think it was really necessary to duplicate post #249 and another sales pitch for your batteries.

[xviper]

I don't think it was really necessary to duplicate post #249 and another sales pitch for your batteries.

[JLambCWU]

Down and Dirty with the SU-30.

screengrabs from the full video

https://youtu.be/2NuNTXLyfSU

[JLambCWU]

SU- Thirty, down and Dirty! Here is the finished video!

Getting low, slow, fast and vertical with the twin 70mm SU-30 from E-flite. This jet is HEAVY and has no right to perform this good, but she is LOCKED IN. As low as you can get with rapid transitions into the vertical, and that low transition dust plume.

See original post thread for screen grabs of just how low!

All powered by Roaring Top 5500mah 70C batteries from www.rcjetwerx.com. Go see Andy for the most powerful by weight 6S EDF batteries.

[xviper]

Well said. I've been thinking of getting the new Progressive RC Lipo ESR Meter Mark II. It supposedly measures the internal resistance of an entire pack and individual cells to give you the true C rating as well as many other features that tell you if a battery is "ready for the grave". The down side is that it sells for about $150. Has anyone bought this meter yet?

I don't feel I need a $150.00 meter to tell me a battery is nearing the end of its life. When I charge one, I can see how well balanced it charges. My charger tells me the internal resistance during the charge cycle (not that I really look at those numbers much). Then I fly it in a plane and I can tell by how the plane flies and how long the battery lasts that it's not as good as it was a few times ago. Then one day, I go to charge it and it has a hard time balancing and it takes a long time to charge relative to the times before, see what the internal resistance numbers look like and I know it's time to punch that sucker out. In final analysis, it's how the battery flies that tells all. If it flies good, I'll keep going with it until it don't fly no good no more.

[T-CAT]

Well said. I've been thinking of getting the new Progressive RC Lipo ESR Meter Mark II. It supposedly measures the internal resistance of an entire pack and individual cells to give you the true C rating as well as many other features that tell you if a battery is "ready for the grave". The down side is that it sells for about $150. Has anyone bought this meter yet?

Thank you . The Mark II is based Wayne Giles original ESR meter and the meter is very well respected. The new meter is now produced by Rampman (Rick) who took over after Wayne stopped producing ESR meters, and is sold by Progressive RC. Both gentleman participate in the linked LiPo Comparison thread on RCgroups. I don't own the Mark II, but the thread I linked to has many people who do own it. It may be worth searching that thread with the ESR Mark II key words, or replying to that thread asking for opinions on the meter.

https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/show...postcount=8004

[Hugh Wiedman]

Yeah, LiPo opinions often remind me of fitness supplements in some ways, ha-ha . They are both marketed heavily and their labels tend to shine. They obviously aren't an identical comparison, but with some similarities. Everybody and their brothers father in law may think a certain fitness (especially dedicated to muscle building) supplement is the best thing since sliced bread, yet many of the supplements have very little research to back their marketed claims, and people spend a boatload of money each year on it. Quite a bit of someone's potential gains can often be contributed to the placebo effect. They often exercised more regularly and organized their diet in a more advantageous way while taking a supplement to get their money's worth, which in turn produced better fitness results, so the supplement was not the true key to the success. If something worked for someone, even if not well, sometimes they may consider it good or even absolutely awesome.

Now, to make it clear to others reading since written responses can come across different than intended, I respect peoples experience with products, and I realize it has something offer , and I don't discredit that. I enjoy the sharing of opinions and knowledge, and this hobby is incredible with that. However, it's also nice to find fact vs. fiction to add to plethora of opinions and experience. In the past, many people believed the LiPo labels and their claims (especially the C rating), and some still do today, just less often because they are better informed. Maybe someday we will get accurately labeled LiPo's depicting their "true" performance capability. That's a lofty dream since I'm sure companies realize that people look at the C rating discharge capability on the label. The higher it is, the more people are impressed, and assume the battery can deliver the goods. It's a money maker. Some brands were charging several hundred dollars for a 6S 5000mah higher C rated battery and they were terrible, but the label and the expensive price made them appear to be of high quality. It wasn't long ago, although it still occurs, that some were constantly using the formula of battery capacity in Amps multiped by the discharge rating (C) in the hope of calculating an accurate depiction of a LiPo's output. However, with so many false claims of C rating, there is no way to actually know until it's tested. Some were under the impression that a 6S 5000mah 120C LiPo battery would actually achieve an output of 600A . The great part about our experiences and the amazing threads with collected data from testing, we can all make more informed decisions on whether specific LiPo's are of value to each of us, and that provides an easier purchasing decision.

Well said. I've been thinking of getting the new Progressive RC Lipo ESR Meter Mark II. It supposedly measures the internal resistance of an entire pack and individual cells to give you the true C rating as well as many other features that tell you if a battery is "ready for the grave". The down side is that it sells for about $150. Has anyone bought this meter yet?

[T-CAT]

Agreed! I don’t get swayed by “testimonials”, especially when they sound like sales pitches. My Graphenes are the Best. Oh wait, my HK Heavy Duty are the best. But then, my ChinaHobbyLine are the best. And they’re all less money.

Yeah, LiPo opinions often remind me of fitness supplements in some ways, ha-ha . They are both marketed heavily and their labels tend to shine. They obviously aren't an identical comparison, but with some similarities. Everybody and their brothers father in law may think a certain fitness (especially dedicated to muscle building) supplement is the best thing since sliced bread, yet many of the supplements have very little research to back their marketed claims, and people spend a boatload of money each year on it. Quite a bit of someone's potential gains can often be contributed to the placebo effect. They often exercised more regularly and organized their diet in a more advantageous way while taking a supplement to get their money's worth, which in turn produced better fitness results, so the supplement was not the true key to the success. If something worked for someone, even if not well, sometimes they may consider it good or even absolutely awesome.

Now, to make it clear to others reading since written responses can come across different than intended, I respect peoples experience with products, and I realize it has something offer , and I don't discredit that. I enjoy the sharing of opinions and knowledge, and this hobby is incredible with that. However, it's also nice to find fact vs. fiction to add to plethora of opinions and experience. In the past, many people believed the LiPo labels and their claims (especially the C rating), and some still do today, just less often because they are better informed. Maybe someday we will get accurately labeled LiPo's depicting their "true" performance capability. That's a lofty dream since I'm sure companies realize that people look at the C rating discharge capability on the label. The higher it is, the more people are impressed, and assume the battery can deliver the goods. It's a money maker. Some brands were charging several hundred dollars for a 6S 5000mah higher C rated battery and they were terrible, but the label and the expensive price made them appear to be of high quality. It wasn't long ago, although it still occurs, that some were constantly using the formula of battery capacity in Amps multiped by the discharge rating (C) in the hope of calculating an accurate depiction of a LiPo's output. However, with so many false claims of C rating, there is no way to actually know until it's tested. Some were under the impression that a 6S 5000mah 120C LiPo battery would actually achieve an output of 600A . The great part about our experiences and the amazing threads with collected data from testing, we can all make more informed decisions on whether specific LiPo's are of value to each of us, and that provides an easier purchasing decision.