FMS 80MM Dassault Rafale

[Captain Moron]

You can tell it is the Chinese New Year. I see the Rafale was due out today but the delivery date has now been put back yet again. No delivery date for the release date for the Rafale. Freewing have the same problem. 10 week wait for the Mig 29

[kallend]

You can get to 3.5 with just a little throttle management. I made a couple flights this past week and hit that duration no problem. Given the dynamic nature of this hobby and the endless variety of pilots and their piloting abilities, I am not sure that anyone can really define what "real flight" results are? It really ultimately comes down to personal abilities and opinions. And everyone's will be slightly different.

Seems to me that this plane calls out for flight pack telemetry.

[Bajora]

He has not posted the second vid from the Imperial RC event Feb 5 as he said he would. When I inquired via .Facebook, he resent the link to his vid from the first day of the event. What does that tell ya?

If he did have a mishap, tell us . That's perfectly okay. We all have mishaps. That comes with the territory. If he's too proud to show his imperfection, I understand. I'm sure he would be concerned not to shed a bad light on FMS for any reason. Pilot error or mechanical failure. I get that. But be a little more transparent with us. We're big boys. Now it's looking like a coverup. And it starts to look like he's more the pitchman for the mfg. than a true independent reviewer.

My decision to buy or not buy the Rafale has nothing to do with a possible mishap during a demo flight. We all know there's a multitude of things that can go wrong. I was simply looking for performance( speed, agility, vertical), and realistic expected. flight time 2.4 min will not hack it) 3 minutes okay. 3.5 min. great.

To me, the plane is a winner on many counts. Nice finish, ease of assembly, many scale features, high quality, great bling, strong LG, decent price. But until I can see some real flight results, it's a no go and that's why I cancelled my order.

You can get to 3.5 with just a little throttle management. I made a couple flights this past week and hit that duration no problem. Given the dynamic nature of this hobby and the endless variety of pilots and their piloting abilities, I am not sure that anyone can really define what "real flight" results are? It really ultimately comes down to personal abilities and opinions. And everyone's will be slightly different.

[SanExup]

Who said he had crashed it?

[Captain Moron]

Well I made the mistake of listening to the media and now I will apologise to the RCinformer. It was complete rubbish about him crashing the Rafale. It looks to me he has just been busy and he has now put out a video on the Rafale. So I apologise for listening to fake news

[kallend]

. I just can't watch a hour, 2 hour, or longer video where he seems more concerned with the number of people logged on that the models..

A video over 2 hours long with about 25 minutes worth of content, and a screen cluttered up with sponsors' ads.

The entire movie of Moby Dick was shorter than that video.

[Evan D]

And he gets a kickback if people use the links in his videos. I think it's his main income... I mean he does spend a lot of time on it. Similar to JB over on the quad side. I just can't watch a hour, 2 hour, or longer video where he seems more concerned with the number of people logged on that the models. Thankfully people on here do watch and post the place good info is at on the video.

The Motion Friday webcast is the same for me even though James does a better job at keeping on point. Last Fridays had way too much construction vehicles and RC cars...

[xviper]

There is something not right here .It looks to me like a cover up .I have lost all respect for RCinformer .There was a problem with that Rafale ,that is plain to see now but it looks like the RCinformer is more loyal to FMS then us the public and he's viewers I no longer will trust the RCinformer now so have unsubscribe to he's video channel. That is fine by me if he is driven by FMS but do not expect me to watch he's video anymore ,Just can not trust them anymore

I agree with some of your points. Whether you subscribe or not is up to you. I still find his "infomercials" useful and entertaining from time to time. Of course he's "driven" by his connection to the companies he's doing these informercials for. Is he driven by Banana Hobby? Of course he is. Was he driven by MotionRC back when he did mostly Freewing products for them? Of course he was. And Hobbyzone/Arrows - yes again. If he trashes a product, he won't get many more from them. That's the nature of the game. Keeping loyalty to his viewers at the same time is a fine line and that's where we've seen some lack of information, delayed information and "diplomatic" responses.
Have you seen auto reviews on TV car shows the last few years? They make Hyundai/Kia look like the next best thing to sliced bread. Now, we see all the engine bay fires and the flurry of recalls. "Infomercials" are loaded with company bias - that's the way it is. To give a totally honest and brutal review, these guys would have to BUY all of their new products and they wouldn't get them early. I don't know what RC Informer does for a real job, but imagine if he had to pay for each and every one of those planes he's "reviewed" over the many years he's been doing it.
Some call it diplomacy. Some call it "cover up". You've made your pick.

[kallend]

There is something not right here .It looks to me like a cover up .I have lost all respect for RCinformer .

I did that some time ago when he stated on an unboxing video that the decals on a certain model were "authentic" when they weren't even for the correct mark. If you claim to be an expert reviewer you should get your facts correct.

Not sure why anyone wants to see a video of stuff being taken out of a box anyway. I no longer watch unboxings, except my own.

[Captain Moron]

There is something not right here .It looks to me like a cover up .I have lost all respect for RCinformer .There was a problem with that Rafale ,that is plain to see now but it looks like the RCinformer is more loyal to FMS then us the public and he's viewers I no longer will trust the RCinformer now so have unsubscribe to he's video channel. That is fine by me if he is driven by FMS but do not expect me to watch he's video anymore ,Just can not trust them anymore

[dahawk]

https://youtu.be/ANKufvvYToo

More info about 3/4 of the way through the vid. Interesting. FWIW, I won the P-39 Cobra

[kallend]

It's almost like these "professional reviewers" are walking on FMS eggshells with this one.
I was very excited about this plane when it was first revealed, the videos from private owners since and the deafening silence lately has compelled me to "wait and see". I would love to have this model as a static display but it's a lot of money for something just to look at it hanging from the ceiling, at which point, it becomes a very expensive model. A winner on many counts maybe, but a potential loser on many more.

They are just online infomercials.

[xviper]

He has not posted the second vid from the Imperial RC event Feb 5 as he said he would. When I inquired via .Facebook, he resent the link to his vid from the first day of the event. What does that tell ya?

If he did have a mishap, tell us . That's perfectly okay. We all have mishaps. That comes with the territory. If he's too proud to show his imperfection, I understand. I'm sure he would be concerned not to shed a bad light on FMS for any reason. Pilot error or mechanical failure. I get that. But be a little more transparent with us. We're big boys. Now it's looking like a coverup. And it starts to look like he's more the pitchman for the mfg. than a true independent reviewer.

My decision to buy or not buy the Rafale has nothing to do with a possible mishap during a demo flight. We all know there's a multitude of things that can go wrong. I was simply looking for performance( speed, agility, vertical), and realistic expected. flight time 2.4 min will not hack it) 3 minutes okay. 3.5 min. great.

To me, the plane is a winner on many counts. Nice finish, ease of assembly, many scale features, high quality, great bling, strong LG, decent price. But until I can see some real flight results, it's a no go and that's why I cancelled my order.

If you look at that video, the first minute he says some stuff about "doing some tweaks" and "resolving some issues". He never mentioned any of that again or what those issues may have been. To me, that puts a huge cloud over this product. Then the alleged crash and nothing since that time - the silence tells a lot or at least, puts many guesses as to what transpired. Even the Bajora video and magazine article is too spit and polished. It was mentioned that there was a lot of information in those, but quite frankly, IMO, there was only information that we've seen already from FMS - marketing stuff that was right out of their playbook. It was not a true "review", but more of an introduction and news release of a new product. It's almost like these "professional reviewers" are walking on FMS eggshells with this one.
I was very excited about this plane when it was first revealed, the videos from private owners since and the deafening silence lately has compelled me to "wait and see". I would love to have this model as a static display but it's a lot of money for something just to look at it hanging from the ceiling, at which point, it becomes a very expensive model. A winner on many counts maybe, but a potential loser on many more.

[dahawk]

He has not posted the second vid from the Imperial RC event Feb 5 as he said he would. When I inquired via .Facebook, he resent the link to his vid from the first day of the event. What does that tell ya?

If he did have a mishap, tell us . That's perfectly okay. We all have mishaps. That comes with the territory. If he's too proud to show his imperfection, I understand. I'm sure he would be concerned not to shed a bad light on FMS for any reason. Pilot error or mechanical failure. I get that. But be a little more transparent with us. We're big boys. Now it's looking like a coverup. And it starts to look like he's more the pitchman for the mfg. than a true independent reviewer.

My decision to buy or not buy the Rafale has nothing to do with a possible mishap during a demo flight. We all know there's a multitude of things that can go wrong. I was simply looking for performance( speed, agility, vertical), and realistic expected. flight time 2.4 min will not hack it) 3 minutes okay. 3.5 min. great.

To me, the plane is a winner on many counts. Nice finish, ease of assembly, many scale features, high quality, great bling, strong LG, decent price. But until I can see some real flight results, it's a no go and that's why I cancelled my order.

[Captain Moron]

I surpose if RCinformer did crash it that would also explain it

[dahawk]

Or it confirms the rumor( and its only a rumor) that he crashed at the event.

Jon B and Tartago's reports are good. To me, it's a doubled edged sword. I love the bling and all of the cool bells and whistles on one hand. Sexy Livery High quality foam, sequencing lg doors, lights galore, sounds great, reflex, etc. But on the other hand , I haven't seen enough that will prevent me from being disappointed in performance such as speed, vertical and flight time. No, it doesn't have to be as fast as the Mirage or F5. But at least as fast as the HP A6 ,A4,T-33, L-39 or F-86. Doesn't have to get 4 minutes of flight time. But 3 minutes + a little reserve for go around would be nice.

[Captain Moron]

Interesting RCinformer never followed up he's review on the FMS Rafale .Think that tells me what I need to know .He does not want to upset FMS ?????

[kallend]

Mmmm I do not rate Dynam, fly well but crap quality.

Yes, but I already have experience fixing up Dynam models to make them acceptable, and apparently this Hunter is an improvement. They are in stock here in the US.

[Captain Moron]

Mmmm I do not rate Dynam, fly well but crap quality. I think they have up the game on the Hunter, so at around £240 for 6s EDF might worth a look at. Does not look like the Rafale is coming out in the near future, mind you the Hunter not out yet here in the UK

[kallend]

6 months since announcement and still no sign of it.

Cancelled my pre-order.

Ordered a Hawker Hunter instead.