Official Freewing 80mm EDF F-86 Sabre Thread

[Grossman56]

Grossman56 and James, I don't know if you guys saw the caption in the photo about the gentleman holding the plane. It's Cliff Higgins, a former F86 pilot holding T-Elbert's yellow Sabre, the Montana Air National Guard target tug scheme that Cliff flew. I stepped out of the photo but had the honor of talking with him a little about the F86. He said of all of the planes that he's flown that the Sabre was his favorite.

Grossman, I'd have to say that the stock paint scheme on smokey days was difficult to see sometimes even with the yellow. I think that scheme would look great, the red outer wing and tail on that Canadian livery would be an excellent contrast to the silver. The silver is even better camouflage in a grey sky than base grey I think.

At the end of this flying season I hope to convert mine to a Navy Fury paint scheme and probably add an afterburner.

I know exactly what you're saying!
All my silver airplanes have been sitting and waiting for the smoke to clear as they just disappear in the atmosphere!
Even the Royal Blue Bearcat can be fun at times. Today the air finally looks better so possibly tomorrow I can get the likes of the Tigercat back up, sure looking forward to that. In the mean time, the RV-8 and the Spitfire have been keeping me sane.

Grossman56

[rifleman_btx]

It is the HP version.

[timmybeetle]

Flew 3 flights with this one today, completely happy with the performance I got out of it completely stock

Hello

Ok, but which version are you flying!

Grts Hans

I'm waiting for the high performance in Eu

[rifleman_btx]

Flew 3 flights with this one today, completely happy with the performance I got out of it completely stock

[SanExup]

Grossman56 and James, I don't know if you guys saw the caption in the photo about the gentleman holding the plane. It's Cliff Higgins, a former F86 pilot holding T-Elbert's yellow Sabre, the Montana Air National Guard target tug scheme that Cliff flew. I stepped out of the photo but had the honor of talking with him a little about the F86. He said of all of the planes that he's flown that the Sabre was his favorite.

Grossman, I'd have to say that the stock paint scheme on smokey days was difficult to see sometimes even with the yellow. I think that scheme would look great, the red outer wing and tail on that Canadian livery would be an excellent contrast to the silver. The silver is even better camouflage in a grey sky than base grey I think.

At the end of this flying season I hope to convert mine to a Navy Fury paint scheme and probably add an afterburner.

[Grossman56]

If I ever get my hands on one, here's the way I'd go.


Grossman56

[Grossman56]

Great and unique paint scheme!

Grossman56

[James]

Well done! Never saw that scheme before.

[Elbee]

TE, Nicely done and a fitting tribute. Bravo Zulu, Sir. Best, LB

[Bajora]

Excellent looking alternate scheme there Elbert!

[T- Elbert]

[radfordc]

F-86 80mm Aileron, Flaps, Elevator, and Rudder low and high rate settings. Users manual, page 13 table has them in millimeters. Does someone have these in degrees for use with Spectrum radios like my DX8, G2? I used trigonometry, and for the ailerons, I calculated 15 degrees for low and 25 degrees for high. Also want to verify my trig method is accurate.

Don't use trig. Use a protractor and a ruler and draw a right triangle. Base is equal to chord of surface; vertical is equal to mm of throw given in the book, protractor gives the degrees of angle. However, don't use the degree figure in your Tx....you will have hardly any throw at all.

[xviper]

I stand corrected on the rate settings...it sure is % vice degrees. So, does someone have the high and low rates in % ?
I am also going to try the measurement method as suggested...Thanks!

You should really ditch the whole "does anyone have ....................... ?". % throw will vary from one model of Spektrum to another and even from any model TX to another of the same model. This is made even more useless when you consider that the starting point for a servo arm from one plane to another of the same plane may not be the same. Also, if your control surfaces are just a little warped compared to another plane, such numbers are meaningless. When I did my set up using mm for the published high/low rates, I have since changed those after I flew the plane. Most people tend to modify their control throws to suit their own impressions of how the plane flies for them. It's just as inane and pointless to ask what expo do people use? Flaps? I don't even use the book values anymore. I just "eye ball" it for take off flaps and landing flaps and after I do a few touch and goes, those get changed again. Same goes for elevator compensation for flaps. Some use it, others don't. The "paint by numbers" technique doesn't apply in this game.
Set it up the best you can using the mm measurement way and according to the "book". That's why they put that in manuals and NOT % or degrees. You'll likely change those after first and second flight anyway.

[darmokjt]

I stand corrected on the rate settings...it sure is % vice degrees. So, does someone have the high and low rates in % ?
I am also going to try the measurement method as suggested...Thanks!

[paulrkytek]

Dave Wave

My Freewing Avanti struts are 110mm from mounting block to Wheel axle, Sabre requires 95mm max from mounting block to wheel axle so Avanti struts wont fit the sabre

[xviper]

F-86 80mm Aileron, Flaps, Elevator, and Rudder low and high rate settings. Users manual, page 13 table has them in millimeters. Does someone have these in degrees for use with Spectrum radios like my DX8, G2? I used trigonometry, and for the ailerons, I calculated 15 degrees for low and 25 degrees for high. Also want to verify my trig method is accurate.

Spectrum radios like the DX8 G2 does not give control surface deflection in "degrees". They give it in % and even that is just a reference. There's nothing more easy and straight forward than measuring deflection in mm. You take the measure of the control surface at the widest part. That's usually nearest to the fuselage for flaps, then nearest the flap for AIL, nearest to fuselage for ELE and same for RUD. Trigonometry? You are waay over-thinking this.

[paulrkytek]

F-86 80mm main wing installation question: Users Manual, Page 4, shows using the shorter screws for use rearward with the plastic wing brace, and the longer ones for the front. This doesn't make sense to me because seems like we'd want to use the longer screws with the brace since that's where the higher loading is. Users manual right or wrong?

its right. You have to go through more foam at the front to reach the screw bite point . length of screws not related to loading its the screw receiver and how the load is dissipated into foam that counts, Also most load is not on the back 2 screws but is more likely to be evenly distributed over the 4 mount points and if anything more load on front 2. I am afraid i think your logic is wrong

[darmokjt]

F-86 80mm Aileron, Flaps, Elevator, and Rudder low and high rate settings. Users manual, page 13 table has them in millimeters. Does someone have these in degrees for use with Spectrum radios like my DX8, G2? I used trigonometry, and for the ailerons, I calculated 15 degrees for low and 25 degrees for high. Also want to verify my trig method is accurate.

[darmokjt]

F-86 80mm main wing installation question: Users Manual, Page 4, shows using the shorter screws for use rearward with the plastic wing brace, and the longer ones for the front. This doesn't make sense to me because seems like we'd want to use the longer screws with the brace since that's where the higher loading is. Users manual right or wrong?

[xviper]

I was thinking of going this route. Do you remember which struts you used? Did you just change the strut and use the installed retract? How much foam did you have to remove?

A picture would be fantastic if you have one...

I thought I replied to this but it looks like nothing happened. I may have not clicked on the right button.
It's been a while but I seem to recall I got the struts for my Venom from the parts section of another plane - Avanti S or something like that. Since the retracts are the same size, I just used the existing retracts and just replaced the strut and used the same tires. Remember, this is on a Venom, so the length of the strut on the Sabre may not be the same and also, once you change the strut like that, the strut cover will no longer work. As you can see, the area where the spring is and the pivot joint takes up more room, so foam needs to be carved out.



PS. I flew my Sabre with the modded EDF (more power and thrust) yesterday and it flew marvelously. It can come in very stable and land very softly but if it runs off the runway and onto the grass, even with my retract mount re-inforcements, it may not hold up.