Official Freewing 80mm EDF F-86 Sabre Thread

[Amjet]

I've scanned most of the posts. Does anyone have a good match for the silver? I want to cover parts of the insignias and replace them.

[Elbee]

Repainted FW F86 and installed FMS 2100kv V2 edf,lots of vertical now,great plane to fly

S1, Great repaint and redo. I gotta get an F-86. Love that airframe. Best, LB

[Beeg]

Repainted FW F86 and installed FMS 2100kv V2 edf,lots of vertical now,great plane to fly

Very nice! I need to do a motor upgrade on my tired old F86. Probably should repaint it as well..

[spyder1]

Repainted FW F86 and installed FMS 2100kv V2 edf,lots of vertical now,great plane to fly

[Phantom]

Thank you for the reply. The L-39 design doesn’t totally excite me either given it’s hard to classify it as a “warbird”. However, the stellar flight performance and scale lines make up for that in my opinion. I flew it again tonight. Even at 4500’ elevation (and it’s the older outrunner model) I can pull up at airfield center into a vertical climb and perform two vertical aileron rolls and let it climb even more after the rolls before leveling the climb. It’s just a small dot at that point. I know one can’t expect that kind of performance from the F-86. But from what you had to say about it, the wonderful sound it makes, the classic jet lines... I should pull the trigger on it soon.
Thanks!

You've almost convinced me to pull the trigger on the L-39! Lol

[flyinhigh042]

Why would you say that? In my mind any airplane armed with a gun and hardpoints for missles or bombs and used in combat can be classified as a "warbird".

Okay. Haha. It’s (The L-39) not the American heavy metal jet that I typically like. Better? ;-)

[Beeg]

Thank you for the reply. The L-39 design doesn’t totally excite me either given it’s hard to classify it as a “warbird”.............................

Why would you say that? In my mind any airplane armed with a gun and hardpoints for missles or bombs and used in combat can be classified as a "warbird".

[flyinhigh042]

I don't have the L-39, as the airframe, although loved by many doesn't excite me at all. The F-86 80mm was my second EDF and I've had her since 2015. I now have the FMS 80mm fan and 2150kv and 100amp ESC on 6s power system in her that, modestly increased the speed, greatly improved vertical and extended flight times by about 45 seconds.

She's an amazing bird, you can practice any maneuver you can think of. However with her thick cambered wings she is a bit of a draggy airframe. Having never flown the L-39, I cannot comment personally on a comparison. But from videos I've seen I'd say that the L-39 would be faster, more vertical, and has a higher roll rate.

So if you're looking for a more demanding bird to fly as a step up from the L-39, the F-86 wouldn't be it. However she's an absolute pleasure to fly, the L-39 is one of the few FW birds I don't own, I'll always have the F-86 in my hangar, she's bullet proof and never disappoints to put a smile on my face.

Thank you for the reply. The L-39 design doesn’t totally excite me either given it’s hard to classify it as a “warbird”. However, the stellar flight performance and scale lines make up for that in my opinion. I flew it again tonight. Even at 4500’ elevation (and it’s the older outrunner model) I can pull up at airfield center into a vertical climb and perform two vertical aileron rolls and let it climb even more after the rolls before leveling the climb. It’s just a small dot at that point. I know one can’t expect that kind of performance from the F-86. But from what you had to say about it, the wonderful sound it makes, the classic jet lines... I should pull the trigger on it soon.
Thanks!

[Phantom]

Question for the F-86-ers. I have been flying the 80mm L-39 for just over a year now. Love it. It’s speed and agility keep me smiling every flight. But, I also have a thing for classic jets. For those who have flown (or seen) the L-39 do it’s thing, would the high performance version of the F-86 keep me excited like the L-39 does? What are your options?
Thanks!
Jeff

I don't have the L-39, as the airframe, although loved by many doesn't excite me at all. The F-86 80mm was my second EDF and I've had her since 2015. I now have the FMS 80mm fan and 2150kv and 100amp ESC on 6s power system in her that, modestly increased the speed, greatly improved vertical and extended flight times by about 45 seconds.

She's an amazing bird, you can practice any maneuver you can think of. However with her thick cambered wings she is a bit of a draggy airframe. Having never flown the L-39, I cannot comment personally on a comparison. But from videos I've seen I'd say that the L-39 would be faster, more vertical, and has a higher roll rate.

So if you're looking for a more demanding bird to fly as a step up from the L-39, the F-86 wouldn't be it. However she's an absolute pleasure to fly, the L-39 is one of the few FW birds I don't own, I'll always have the F-86 in my hangar, she's bullet proof and never disappoints to put a smile on my face.

[flyinhigh042]

Question for the F-86-ers. I have been flying the 80mm L-39 for just over a year now. Love it. It’s speed and agility keep me smiling every flight. But, I also have a thing for classic jets. For those who have flown (or seen) the L-39 do it’s thing, would the high performance version of the F-86 keep me excited like the L-39 does? What are your options?
Thanks!
Jeff

[Waconut]

WN, WOW, beautiful work. 'She whose authority exceeds my rank' saw your posted picture and was noticeably impressed with the "Sky Blazers" livery, too. Nicely done from the both of us. Best, LB

LB,
Thanks to the both of you!! I am really happy with how it turned out.
Anthony

[Elbee]

Like I said it has several coats of paint plus 5-6 coats of Polycrylic. I sprayed 2-3 coats of Polycrylic to protect the chrome paint on the whole plane before applying the graphics and I sprayed 3 good coats after the graphics were applied. The surface of the plane is now smooth as glass.

WN, WOW, beautiful work. 'She whose authority exceeds my rank' saw your posted picture and was noticeably impressed with the "Sky Blazers" livery, too. Nicely done from the both of us. Best, LB

[Phantom]

Phantom ,
I adjusted the battery as you stated to get the plane to rest on its tail and the slightest movement it rotates onto all 3 wheels. I actually had to move the battery forward slightly.
It’s a place to start. We shall see how she flys there.
Thanks to all for your input.
Anthony

Strange... Good luck on your maiden she's a great flyer.

[Waconut]

Phantom ,
I adjusted the battery as you stated to get the plane to rest on its tail and the slightest movement it rotates onto all 3 wheels. I actually had to move the battery forward slightly.
It’s a place to start. We shall see how she flys there.
Thanks to all for your input.
Anthony

[Phantom]

I purchased the high performance version. Like I said it has several coats of paint plus 5-6 coats of Polycrylic. I am confident it is balanced correctly. If I moved the battery all the way back it will barely stay level on the nose gear. If you raise the nose a little it will fall on its tail.
I sprayed 2-3 coats of Polycrylic to protect the chrome paint on the whole plane before applying the graphics and I sprayed 3 good coats after the graphics were applied. The surface of the plane is now smooth as glass.

Your battery placement may in fact be different do to all your cosmetic additions, but it's still the same airframe, therefore there same CG.

Give me a few sentences and I'll explain what I mean. First off when you say that you're confident your CG is correct, are you using the CG in the manual? I ask prior to making this statement...most manufacturers and absolutely EVERY FW edf that I've purchased and flown has a CG recommendation 7 to 25mm further forward than the ACTUAL CG. This is due, my personal opinion, so that the novice among us are guaranteed to have a nose heavy aircraft to prevent stalling. I can count the FW edfs I don't own on one hand and still have fingers left over, so I don't make this comment casually, yes I'm aware of my addiction lol.

A nose heavy acft and a tail heavy acft have 1 thing in common, incorrect CG. Your test of sitting the F-86 on it's tail and lifting it an inch before it rotates to on it's own isn't a bad place to start CG wise for your maiden. But it's still a nose heavy bird with that CG. Move the battery back until you can set her on her tail, with her canopy on and at the slightest movement of you lifting the tail, she rotates on all 3 gear by herself.

I agree that with all your cosmetic enhancements you might have changed where to place the battery significantly. But the airframe aerodynamically is the same, the CG procedure I described to you is also the same, and will give you the correct CG for your Sabre.

[Beeg]

From what you say the balance sounds right...

[Waconut]

I purchased the high performance version. Like I said it has several coats of paint plus 5-6 coats of Polycrylic. I am confident it is balanced correctly. If I moved the battery all the way back it will barely stay level on the nose gear. If you raise the nose a little it will fall on its tail.
I sprayed 2-3 coats of Polycrylic to protect the chrome paint on the whole plane before applying the graphics and I sprayed 3 good coats after the graphics were applied. The surface of the plane is now smooth as glass.

[Beeg]

I may do the mod to get the esc into the airflow, definitely can’t hurt.

As far as CG goes I have the 5000mah battery moved further forward. The plane will rest on its tail and when I lift the tail about 1” it will gently fall forward to the nose gear.
I put several coats of paint and Polycrylic on the plane as well as graphics which probably made it a little tail heavy. See the attached pic to show the battery position to achieve balance.

Wow, I've never seen a FW Sabre that would balance with a 5000 battery that far forward. Does your's have the new motor? Can't imagine it being that much heavier. I have my battery jammed all the way back almost against the fan intake shroud.

[C17loadmaster]

That is way forward for an efficient CG.... even with the added weight. The lipo should be an inch aft at a minimum.

just my opinion though...

[Waconut]

I may do the mod to get the esc into the airflow, definitely can’t hurt.

As far as CG goes I have the 5000mah battery moved further forward. The plane will rest on its tail and when I lift the tail about 1” it will gently fall forward to the nose gear.
I put several coats of paint and Polycrylic on the plane as well as graphics which probably made it a little tail heavy. See the attached pic to show the battery position to achieve balance.