Official Freewing 90mm F-16 V2 EDF Jet Thread

[EDF-Jetpilot]

EDF-Jetpilot and shortround91 if you're using/or going to 8S, I have to recommend the SMC V2 8S HiV 5900 packs. The Turnigy 8S 5000 pack weighs in at around 1070 gr, while the SMC V2 5900 weighs in at 970 gr, 100 grams less. I can also guarantee that the Turnigy is no where near 130C and is definitely less than the SMC pack, and the SMC packs provide substantially more power, have a long life cycle and weigh less. I use them now exclusively for 6S & 8S (after going through some 40 different brands) and I'm never looking back. You can see the independent testing results comparing all major flight pack brands on the RC Group threads done by MCS Guy! I hate to say it, but the SMC's are always at the top of the list and the Turnigy's are in the middle-bottom-to not in top 20.

The price is a consideration of course, and the Turnigy 8S is around $70 I believe, while the 8S SMC HiV V2 is at $132 (although Danny is now running a Thanksgiving sale with 5-15% off, with free shipping over $100). I'm using the 8S 5900 in 2 F4 Phantoms and in my older V1 F-16 and they've never flown better, with flight times well over 5 minutes. I'm also using the SMC 8S HiV V2 4400 in my EuroFighter and the SMC 6S HiV 5900 packs in everything else from 6S EDF's to all my WWII prop planes.

I'm not a paid advertiser for SMC (wish I was), but IMO, he makes THE best flight packs out there and has the best customer service, replacing any pack within a year if puffed or a single cell going high in the IR. Never had a puffed cell in 3 years though and only one pack with 2X IR after 50 flights and giving it to a buddy to fly who drained it to zero when he couldn't land because of a dog on the field. Even so, the IR only went to 3 in one cell (still below other brands best IR). Not only do they have the highest output and lowest IR'S (8S IR's have consistent cell IR's of 1-1.1mohms-unheard of) but also the lowest weight for comparable mAh packs. Prices aren't cheap, but well worth it. So if you ever get a chance to try one, you may never go back to anything else. I'll get off my soap box now, just something to keep in the back of your mind about flight packs.

After reading your report, I really have to check that out. Unfortunately, the SMC is not available in Switzerland, so I have to find a partner who delivers to Switzerland in Europe. But I'm interested and I'll give it a try. Thank you very much for your tip.

[kallend]

EDF-Jetpilot and shortround91 if you're using/or going to 8S, I have to recommend the SMC V2 8S HiV 5900 packs. The Turnigy 8S 5000 pack weighs in at around 1070 gr, while the SMC V2 5900 weighs in at 970 gr, 100 grams less. I can also guarantee that the Turnigy is no where near 130C

Depends how they define "C". There is no standard, so marketing can define it however they like. 130C suggests to me that they want you to believe the pack, wiring and connectors can source 767 amps (5.9 x 130) without damage, which is absolute nonsense.

[shortround91]

EDF-Jetpilot and shortround91 if you're using/or going to 8S, I have to recommend the SMC V2 8S HiV 5900 packs. The Turnigy 8S 5000 pack weighs in at around 1070 gr, while the SMC V2 5900 weighs in at 970 gr, 100 grams less. I can also guarantee that the Turnigy is no where near 130C and is definitely less than the SMC pack, and the SMC packs provide substantially more power, have a long life cycle and weigh less. I use them now exclusively for 6S & 8S (after going through some 40 different brands) and I'm never looking back. You can see the independent testing results comparing all major flight pack brands on the RC Group threads done by MCS Guy! I hate to say it, but the SMC's are always at the top of the list and the Turnigy's are in the middle-bottom-to not in top 20.

The price is a consideration of course, and the Turnigy 8S is around $70 I believe, while the 8S SMC HiV V2 is at $132 (although Danny is now running a Thanksgiving sale with 5-15% off, with free shipping over $100). I'm using the 8S 5900 in 2 F4 Phantoms and in my older V1 F-16 and they've never flown better, with flight times well over 5 minutes. I'm also using the SMC 8S HiV V2 4400 in my EuroFighter and the SMC 6S HiV 5900 packs in everything else from 6S EDF's to all my WWII prop planes.

I'm not a paid advertiser for SMC (wish I was), but IMO, he makes THE best flight packs out there and has the best customer service, replacing any pack within a year if puffed or a single cell going high in the IR. Never had a puffed cell in 3 years though and only one pack with 2X IR after 50 flights and giving it to a buddy to fly who drained it to zero when he couldn't land because of a dog on the field. Even so, the IR only went to 3 in one cell (still below other brands best IR). Not only do they have the highest output and lowest IR'S (8S IR's have consistent cell IR's of 1-1.1mohms-unheard of) but also the lowest weight for comparable mAh packs. Prices aren't cheap, but well worth it. So if you ever get a chance to try one, you may never go back to anything else. I'll get off my soap box now, just something to keep in the back of your mind about flight packs.

I’m using CNHL 4000 5000 SMC Green 4400 and SMC 59/5100 49/4200 packs

[Hugh Wiedman]

I fly the 8S version with the following battery and have 4 of them:
Turnigy nano-tech 5000mah 8S 65~130C LiPo Pack with XT-90

A good 4 minutes of acro flight time

EDF-Jetpilot and shortround91 if you're using/or going to 8S, I have to recommend the SMC V2 8S HiV 5900 packs. The Turnigy 8S 5000 pack weighs in at around 1070 gr, while the SMC V2 5900 weighs in at 970 gr, 100 grams less. I can also guarantee that the Turnigy is no where near 130C and is definitely less than the SMC pack, and the SMC packs provide substantially more power, have a long life cycle and weigh less. I use them now exclusively for 6S & 8S (after going through some 40 different brands) and I'm never looking back. You can see the independent testing results comparing all major flight pack brands on the RC Group threads done by MCS Guy! I hate to say it, but the SMC's are always at the top of the list and the Turnigy's are in the middle-bottom-to not in top 20.

The price is a consideration of course, and the Turnigy 8S is around $70 I believe, while the 8S SMC HiV V2 is at $132 (although Danny is now running a Thanksgiving sale with 5-15% off, with free shipping over $100). I'm using the 8S 5900 in 2 F4 Phantoms and in my older V1 F-16 and they've never flown better, with flight times well over 5 minutes. I'm also using the SMC 8S HiV V2 4400 in my EuroFighter and the SMC 6S HiV 5900 packs in everything else from 6S EDF's to all my WWII prop planes.

I'm not a paid advertiser for SMC (wish I was), but IMO, he makes THE best flight packs out there and has the best customer service, replacing any pack within a year if puffed or a single cell going high in the IR. Never had a puffed cell in 3 years though and only one pack with 2X IR after 50 flights and giving it to a buddy to fly who drained it to zero when he couldn't land because of a dog on the field. Even so, the IR only went to 3 in one cell (still below other brands best IR). Not only do they have the highest output and lowest IR'S (8S IR's have consistent cell IR's of 1-1.1mohms-unheard of) but also the lowest weight for comparable mAh packs. Prices aren't cheap, but well worth it. So if you ever get a chance to try one, you may never go back to anything else. I'll get off my soap box now, just something to keep in the back of your mind about flight packs.

[shortround91]

She's a real beaut. Can't wait for flying weather for the maiden. Fun to look at!
Anyone care to offer up an .SPM file of a good taileron and flap mix? The only mixing I am good at is a drink.

I’m happy to share my set up but I don’t run flaperons just tailerons. Grass field am she alphas nice enough to slow down just fine for me, I don’t even hook up reverse thrust, one thing I had to do is reduce gains to get rid of the oscillation. Been slowly moving CG back went from 3min flights coming in with approx 20% left where I am now 4min coming down around 40% left running SMC standard 4400 LIPO’s. Be testing SMC 49/4200 packs next week

[Aros]

She's a real beaut. Can't wait for flying weather for the maiden. Fun to look at!
Anyone care to offer up an .SPM file of a good taileron and flap mix? The only mixing I am good at is a drink.

[shortround91]

Getting ready to upgrade the power system in my 8s 90 F16, going with a Schubeler fan and mild motor staying 8s. Hopefully will have her updated in a few weeks I’ll keep y’all up to date on how it works out

[400driver]

Good to know!
Will set it up accordingly.

[EDF-Jetpilot]

Are you using them both at the same time for landing? Do you have 100% throws for the Tailerons during landing?
I have not used Tailerons before so any tips greatly appreciated.
Thanks

On the F-16, if you use flaperons, you should definitely use tailerons (on the elevator), otherwise the landing approach will be spongy and difficult to control. If you do it this way, you can land much more slowly than without flaperons, but only with tailerons on the elevator. Yes, 100% servoweg of tailerons

[Evan D]

I have tailerons turn off with my gear switch landing. On other F-16's and other fighters I have left them on with no issues. I still have ailerons on with flaps lowered.

[400driver]

Yes I have flaperons and use them on all my bag-16’s and definitely tailerons.

Are you using them both at the same time for landing? Do you have 100% throws for the Tailerons during landing?
I have not used Tailerons before so any tips greatly appreciated.
Thanks

[Evan D]

Yes I have flaperons and use them on all my bag-16’s and definitely tailerons.

[400driver]

Have the 8S version but yet to build. What are the thoughts on flaperons ? If I want to get it as slow as possible for landing, flaps and tailerons? I have watched 2bros and it looks like it handles really well.
Any pointers , will be running ELRS receiver .

[shortround91]

So have a question, like a few others, mine came with a red ESC, wanting to replace it, I see the replacement one is out of stock. However, the old F-16 (V1) in the replacement parts for it, has the ESC with identical specs it seems to the new one...including thrust reverse. Is this the same ESC as the V2? I did reach out to the tech support and was told " the internals" are different.....not sure what to think...

Assuming you’re running 6s? I can’t answer on the Eflite ESC but I have the blues in all of my 90’s without any issues at all. My 90 F16 is 8s currently running 2 4s 4400 Green SMC’s, just got in 2 hivolt 49/4200 packs. Think I’d would rather go 5000 myself mixed flying so far getting 3 min from the 4400’s maybe the hivolt packs will do better will update as I get to try em out. 12th flight on the F16 today finally have her dialed in, I’m 2 fingers behind factory CG marks which seems to be the sweet spot for me, I have had to turn down gains had some oscillation going on at higher speed flights. Running a AR10360t+ high speed gains asset 18/26 no more oscillation of course for alphas gains are raised. I am running tailerons saw no need in flaperons or thrust reverse in my grass field, one suggestion check you front retract trailing arm set screws mine were loose caused front gear to collapse fortunately no damage other than the front gear door which I made my own hinges as stock doors are out of stock still. One speed pass in level today she doesn’t do bad at all

[lotech]

So have a question, like a few others, mine came with a red ESC, wanting to replace it, I see the replacement one is out of stock. However, the old F-16 (V1) in the replacement parts for it, has the ESC with identical specs it seems to the new one...including thrust reverse. Is this the same ESC as the V2? I did reach out to the tech support and was told " the internals" are different.....not sure what to think...

[Evan D]

Yes.

Seems we're close enough to being the same...

[EDF-Jetpilot]

Interesting as I am running lighter batteries and have cut foam to move them further back and I'm approximately where you are balancing.

Yes, that's weird... I always measure the GC with the chassis extended, do you?

[Evan D]

Interesting as I am running lighter batteries and have cut foam to move them further back and I'm approximately where you are balancing.

[EDF-Jetpilot]

That's a heavy battery, where are you balancing the plane?

At 130cm and the battery at the very back of the shaft, up to 2cm... no problem. 2 4S batteries are hardly any lighter at 5000mA/h.

[Evan D]

???

"still need to do a battery tray mod hook"

Hook up the receiver?