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Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: FL/FW: Mig 29 "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet, F16 Wild Weasel, F4 Phantom & Blue Angel, 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, Olive B-24, Stinger 90, Red Avanti. Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 60" Extra 300 V2, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, MXS Green, & Demonstrator. FMS-1700mm P-51, Red Bull Corsair. E-Flite-70mm twin SU-30, Beast Bi-Plane 60", P2 Bi-Plane, P-51.
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Looks like I somehow deleted the elevator up mix on the left elevator channel while landing gear are deployed. The elevators were causing a roll that was creating all kinds of havoc while flying. Since I immediately made plans to bring her back around and get her back on the ground I never retracted the landing gear otherwise it would have been obvious that the issue was only happening with landing gear deployed. Yikes, that was lucky I got her down with no damage.
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Originally posted by dsmithwc04 View PostLooks like I somehow deleted the elevator up mix on the left elevator channel while landing gear are deployed. The elevators were causing a roll that was creating all kinds of havoc while flying. Since I immediately made plans to bring her back around and get her back on the ground I never retracted the landing gear otherwise it would have been obvious that the issue was only happening with landing gear deployed. Yikes, that was lucky I got her down with no damage.
IMO, this is the single best TX programming tool, makes flying just a little less stressful.Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: FL/FW: Mig 29 "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet, F16 Wild Weasel, F4 Phantom & Blue Angel, 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, Olive B-24, Stinger 90, Red Avanti. Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 60" Extra 300 V2, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, MXS Green, & Demonstrator. FMS-1700mm P-51, Red Bull Corsair. E-Flite-70mm twin SU-30, Beast Bi-Plane 60", P2 Bi-Plane, P-51.
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Originally posted by dsmithwc04 View PostI have a Radiomaster TX16S using openTX. 6 flight mode buttons I've not bothered to use but you have a pretty darn good point.Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: FL/FW: Mig 29 "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet, F16 Wild Weasel, F4 Phantom & Blue Angel, 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, Olive B-24, Stinger 90, Red Avanti. Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 60" Extra 300 V2, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, MXS Green, & Demonstrator. FMS-1700mm P-51, Red Bull Corsair. E-Flite-70mm twin SU-30, Beast Bi-Plane 60", P2 Bi-Plane, P-51.
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Hugh Wiedman showed me how to use FM's and it changed everything. SO handy, so much more intuitive. A hoist of favorite beverage to you Hugh!
My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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I got a hacker streamfan 1200kv 10S lying around. Is it a crazy idea to put it into an ARF F16 using2x 4000mah Lipos. Battery weight: 950 grams.
Is there enough room and is it possible to achive the COG or is it simply a bad idea? The streamfan has a heavier motor than the typical wemotec fan so that would change the COG a bit too.
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Originally posted by Thoemse View PostI got a hacker streamfan 1200kv 10S lying around. Is it a crazy idea to put it into an ARF F16 using2x 4000mah Lipos. Battery weight: 950 grams.
Is there enough room and is it possible to achive the COG or is it simply a bad idea? The streamfan has a heavier motor than the typical wemotec fan so that would change the COG a bit too.
Have no idea if the fan will fit in either. I will tell you that the 6S 12 blade inrunner fan I'm using is a 4068-1835Kv motor. So I wonder if the 1200 Kv motor will give enough thrust, but as I said, I have no idea what the thrust comparison of an 10S 1200 Kv fan would be compared to my 6S 1835 Kv fan, but my first thought is that the Hacker would not provide as much thrust simply because the Kv is so much lower (unless maybe if its something like a 16-18 blade fan).Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: FL/FW: Mig 29 "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet, F16 Wild Weasel, F4 Phantom & Blue Angel, 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, Olive B-24, Stinger 90, Red Avanti. Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 60" Extra 300 V2, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, MXS Green, & Demonstrator. FMS-1700mm P-51, Red Bull Corsair. E-Flite-70mm twin SU-30, Beast Bi-Plane 60", P2 Bi-Plane, P-51.
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Originally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post
I know virtually nothing about the differences in certain EDF fans, but if you can get enough thrust out of that fan, I believe the batteries will fit and the weight shouldn't be a problem. The HobbyStar 8000 mah battery I'm using weighs 910 grams and the dimension is 43mmX68mmX135mm (wxhxl). The 135 mm length still leaves a good 30-40 mm in the cockpit to move it, but the width of 68mm is to the edge of fuselage wall so nothing wider and the height of 43mm is about maximum as well.
Have no idea if the fan will fit in either. I will tell you that the 6S 12 blade inrunner fan I'm using is a 4068-1835Kv motor. So I wonder if the 1200 Kv motor will give enough thrust, but as I said, I have no idea what the thrust comparison of an 10S 1200 Kv fan would be compared to my 6S 1835 Kv fan, but my first thought is that the Hacker would not provide as much thrust simply because the Kv is so much lower (unless maybe if its something like a 16-18 blade fan).
I'll check the dimensions. Weight seems to be no problem.
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Originally posted by Thoemse View Post
It is really about size for the lipos and COG. Thrust is no issue. It's delivering 4.4kg of thrust. From experience the thrust of wemotec fans is thrustworthy and not as "optimistic" like chinese competitors are. If the lipos fit it should be a rocketship with that edf.
I'll check the dimensions. Weight seems to be no problem.
The only video I have of my F-16 in the air is attached, with the first flight on an HRB 6000 (weight 825 g) and the second on the heavier Hobbystar 8000 (weight 910 g). You can see that the take off run is virtually the same and that extra weight has no affect, as long as you have enough thrust from a decent EDF. Both flights were balanced at 120mm and since those flights, I've moved it back to 126 mm and it flies even better.
Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: FL/FW: Mig 29 "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet, F16 Wild Weasel, F4 Phantom & Blue Angel, 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, Olive B-24, Stinger 90, Red Avanti. Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 60" Extra 300 V2, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, MXS Green, & Demonstrator. FMS-1700mm P-51, Red Bull Corsair. E-Flite-70mm twin SU-30, Beast Bi-Plane 60", P2 Bi-Plane, P-51.
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Originally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post
Agreed, with enough thrust, weight is definitely not a problem with this airframe (although some complain that it flies "heavy" but I think that is with the original stock outrunner fan-at least the 12-blade inrunner has plenty of guts and I don't feel that it flies "heavy" at all, even with a battery of over 900 grams). I have no idea how much actual thrust the 4068-1835 KV inrunner has but RC Castle measures it around 4.0kg, so if that is "optimistic", then the 4.4kg for yours sounds impressive and should indeed work great. I'm flying mine at a CG of 126 mm with the gear down (back a bit from the 118mm the manual suggests). The battery bay without any trimming will accommodate something of 68 mm wide, by 45-50mm in height and a length of 210 mm. However, at that length of 210 mm you won't have much room to move the battery to affect the CG. With the 8000 mah battery I use, I've got about 10 mm I could move it further back, or 65 mm I could move it forward to adjust the CG. Hope these measurements help.
The only video I have of my F-16 in the air is attached, with the first flight on an HRB 6000 (weight 825 g) and the second on the heavier Hobbystar 8000 (weight 910 g). You can see that the take off run is virtually the same and that extra weight has no affect, as long as you have enough thrust from a decent EDF. Both flights were balanced at 120mm and since those flights, I've moved it back to 126 mm and it flies even better.
Watching your landings was very helpful in my case because it looks like it can be landed slow and high alpha. I got a 90mm Flyfly mirage 2000 that UI can land just fine on this track. Some jets are out of the equation though because of high landing speed.
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Originally posted by Thoemse View Post
That video shows me just what I needed to know. We got a fantastic flat tarmac track with our club. The one thing though: It is 70 meters long. Land to soon and the plane will shatter, don't come to a halt after 70 meters it is either going into our "natural fence" wich is not mowed grass 1m high, or roll to the side into bumpy but mown grass. With jets that usually kills the front retract.
Watching your landings was very helpful in my case because it looks like it can be landed slow and high alpha. I got a 90mm Flyfly mirage 2000 that UI can land just fine on this track. Some jets are out of the equation though because of high landing speed.Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: FL/FW: Mig 29 "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet, F16 Wild Weasel, F4 Phantom & Blue Angel, 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, Olive B-24, Stinger 90, Red Avanti. Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 60" Extra 300 V2, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, MXS Green, & Demonstrator. FMS-1700mm P-51, Red Bull Corsair. E-Flite-70mm twin SU-30, Beast Bi-Plane 60", P2 Bi-Plane, P-51.
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Haven't flown mine in a while... time to take it out this weekend!!Check me out on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/user/gooniac33
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Mine smashed into a tree on takeoff (don't ask lol) and came straight down and plunged the nose cone completely into the grass! The front of the fuse is busted up pretty good but with some goop, sanding and painting I think I can avoid needing a new fuselage. I have a spare nose cone and I will need to buy a new cockpit but the good news is the entire rest of the bird was untouched, gear and all. I'll start the repair project this weekend.My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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It's too heavy with the old outrunner setup it used to come with. Now with the High Performance inrunner version it flies great. Still a heavy jet (the older FW jets were heavier in general than the newer gen models) but with the proper power setup it flies like it should. If you're still concerned about AUW the F4 and F-22 are outstanding jets in presence, size, performance, and being lightweight (comparatively-speaking).My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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Yes, I have the F-22 and still think it's the best performing 90mm jet out there. In 90mm, I have the F-18 also and it is great too. Different but great. It's ~2800 grams empty and flies fine at that weight with the stock 6S 1900kv setup.
I flew the 90mm F-16 ~5 years ago and thought it was significantly underpowered and piggish as a result. I still want an F-16 though and after owning the 70mm E-Flite, wasn't impressed. People love them but mine never flew well. I find I fly my 90mms more lately and find myself liking the larger format, but am not quite ready to step up to the HSD F-16.
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Originally posted by Mizer67 View Post...but am not quite ready to step up to the HSD F-16.
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https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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