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  • Originally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post
    Got the F-16 out yesterday to try the nose wheel modification and a couple different batteries from the RT 5500 70 C I've been using. This time changed the livery to the Fighting Razorbacks version and got it out with a stiff 15-20 mph wind. I tried the HRB 6000 mAh 50C and the Hobbystar 8000 mAh battery Phantom had suggested to me (thanks for tip).

    First off, the new nose wheel worked like a charm, it took off with each battery in less that 100 feet (before that it took a good 130-150 feet), so the slightly higher AoA on the runway helped and the larger wheel (going to 2" from 1 3/4") resulted in much less drag on the grass runway, allowing it to reach V1 much easier. And it was a hot, humid day, which makes it perform like it's at a higher altitude than being at sea level. As far as the batteries, the HRB performed great, virtually the same thrust as from the RT and at the same weight (but at least $40 bucks cheaper in cost), but gave about 20 seconds more flight time (an eternity in EDF's). Surprisingly, the HS 8000 (at 900g) performed just as well and gave an additional minute over the RT (but still need to fly that battery more to gauge it's ultimate performance and flight time). So now the RT 5500 is out and the HRB and HobbyStar are in. It seems the upgraded 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner in this is worth it's cost, cause if it can fly well with a brick like the HS 8000 in it (after already being considered a "heavy" jet), that's saying something.

    Unfortunately, I noticed that Hangar 9 no longer makes the 2" Pro-Light that I used but was lucky that I had several from other planes I no longer have. Not sure what a good alternative to that would be because the diameter was perfect, with only slight modification to the strut, and the width was just right and the axle hole could be drilled out to the right size. And it's not as "mushy" as the stock wheel so rolls on grass easier.
    Also modified the SU-30 nose wheel to the 2 1/4" Hangar 9 (which are still made) and that also worked wonders for that flying bus (at least on take-off, it still flies like a tank). But the HS 8000 was just too heavy for it, although it took off in the same distance, but it flew like needing almost full throttle to keep it up (and thereby losing any gain in flight time) and ending up with very strained vertical. No HS 8000 for that beast anymore!

    Anyway, I have attached a really bad video of both take-offs with the F-16 here, but don't give me any heat over the poor quality of the video. It was take with a friends cell phone, the wind was making it shake and I think we both had a few too many shots earlier, but at least it sort of proves that the modifications worked and the batteries are usable. Here's the video:






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    Wow Hugh, great to see another pilot figure out how to land the F-16, it's a great jet to fly once you get the landings down, nice stable descent with a slight nose up and a flare at the end, sweet.

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    • DCORSAIR thanks for the complement of the landing, but it just goes to prove that even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut.
      Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
      Hangar: EDF's: Mig 29 TV "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, SU-27 90mm 8S:F22 Red Lion/EuroFighterBronzeTiger/F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet/F16/F4 Jolly Rodgers & Blue Angel, 80&90 TV Avanti, Viper, Stinger 90. Props: 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, B-24, 1700 P-51, 60" Beast & P2 Bipe, Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 62" Extra 300, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, 62" Edge

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      • Ok I have one coming finally! Got a Thunderbird and will be doing something special with this one! Should be fun!
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        • Look what's coming soon kiddies!

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          • Originally posted by Aros View Post
            Nice!! Is that the same EDF that now comes in the BA F-18? I think so, should make a nice upgrade. Although the more I fly mine with the 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner, the more I like it. Flew my Wisconsin Fighter wing version today and even in 98 degree, humid weather in dead calm wind, it got off the grass in 100 feet. Any of you EDF "masters" out there that can tell me the performance difference in the 12 blade 4068-1835 inrunner versus the 9 blade 3672-1900 Kv inrunner?

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            Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
            Hangar: EDF's: Mig 29 TV "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, SU-27 90mm 8S:F22 Red Lion/EuroFighterBronzeTiger/F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet/F16/F4 Jolly Rodgers & Blue Angel, 80&90 TV Avanti, Viper, Stinger 90. Props: 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, B-24, 1700 P-51, 60" Beast & P2 Bipe, Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 62" Extra 300, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, 62" Edge

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            • Yep that's the one! I too like my 1835kV inrunner in this jet. Wonder what difference the 1900kV would be?
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              • Originally posted by Aros View Post
                Yep that's the one! I too like my 1835kV inrunner in this jet. Wonder what difference the 1900kV would be?
                If RC Castle's specs. are accurate you get 100 more grams of thrust with a weight savings of 72 grams and higher efficiency of between 5 and 15 amps.

                If course, getting accurate specs. is somewhat challenging, but the 1900kv motor sounds very good from the looks of it vs. the 1835 kv one. Probably not worth changing if you have it already, but good if you're buying new. Plus it's significantly less expensive.

                All that being said, I'd speculate the larger 39-40mm inrunner motor still does better with acceleration.

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                • Originally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post

                  Nice!! Is that the same EDF that now comes in the BA F-18? I think so, should make a nice upgrade. Although the more I fly mine with the 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner, the more I like it. Flew my Wisconsin Fighter wing version today and even in 98 degree, humid weather in dead calm wind, it got off the grass in 100 feet. Any of you EDF "masters" out there that can tell me the performance difference in the 12 blade 4068-1835 inrunner versus the 9 blade 3672-1900 Kv inrunner?

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                  do you think the 8 cell 1380 I currently fly in this jet can handle tens? I use a 150 hobby wing esc no one seems to know I’m liking mine on eights tailerons only flaps only on wings no flaperons for me it lands great I know it can handle the weight

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                  • Originally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post

                    Nice!! Is that the same EDF that now comes in the BA F-18? I think so, should make a nice upgrade. Although the more I fly mine with the 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner, the more I like it. Flew my Wisconsin Fighter wing version today and even in 98 degree, humid weather in dead calm wind, it got off the grass in 100 feet. Any of you EDF "masters" out there that can tell me the performance difference in the 12 blade 4068-1835 inrunner versus the 9 blade 3672-1900 Kv inrunner?

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                    The biggest advantage to the new 9 blade is the weight and power consumption at full throttle! I have seen my buddy Nate fly his new F-18 for almost 6 mins (not lazy flying.....HARD) And the battery still had 3.75v per cell and the battery was barely warm. This was a 5000 pack as well!! With the 6000s he was over 3.8v per cell!! In other words the batteries were very happy!! The new fan is a great option and much better all around performance than the older 1835kv set up. 9 blades are the perfect number for speed and endurance it seems. Personally I prefer the higher blade count fans for their part throttle advantages since that is the way that I usually fly. I am willing to take a slight hit full throttle amp draw because I spend so little time there anyway. I wonder how good it will do in the F-16?

                    However I am setting mine up with an 8s set up... stay tuned... hopefully will get it in the air this weekend!!
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                    • gooniac33 thanks for your input, really appreciate it. Can't wait to here how you like the 8S set-up on this bird. I do like the 12 blade 1835Kv set up in mine, but had it since day 1 so can't compare it to anything else. I'm not that interested in speed, have more the need for thrust to get off the grass and this fan seems to do just fine, and I too am seldom at full throttle.
                      Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
                      Hangar: EDF's: Mig 29 TV "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, SU-27 90mm 8S:F22 Red Lion/EuroFighterBronzeTiger/F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet/F16/F4 Jolly Rodgers & Blue Angel, 80&90 TV Avanti, Viper, Stinger 90. Props: 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, B-24, 1700 P-51, 60" Beast & P2 Bipe, Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 62" Extra 300, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, 62" Edge

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ID:	269571 Bought a used Viper from a friend. Excellent condition. First step of the repaint is to get the wells, doors and struts gloss white.

                        Before repaint started, I maidened it on a 6S in-runner setup just to make sure the trims and balance were all set. The plan was to put it on an 8S setup like my other 90mm F-16.

                        I have to say, I might keep it on the current setup. Obviously, it’s not as fast as the 8S and the vertical isn’t as impressive but it flys and lands so much lighter I just might keep it as is.

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                        • Nice! I love mine on the 6S inrunner setup. Not blazing speeds but MUCH better than stock.
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                          • Has anyone who received the new performance model that became available last week have any feedback or videos?
                            Hanger: FW F-22, E-Flight F-16, T-Rex 600, Twisted Hobbies 342, VIP Pylon, Flying Flags hotliner, 1.5 Maule,

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                            • Yeah, I would like to know that also before I buy another one. I had one with the 12 blade 1835kv inrunner but would like to hear how the new 9 blade 1900kv inrunner performs.

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                              • I have the E-flight F-16 70mm and I really like it, so much fun. I am thinking to get the FW F-16 90mm and was wondering if someone here on the forum has both and cold draw some parallels.

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                                • Well I don't have the E-flight F-16 70mm but I can tell you it would be apples to oranges just due to weight differential alone. The 90mm F-16 is not a dainty dame. She has plenty of wing load but with the proper understanding of how she likes to be landed AND with the new inrunner setup she will reward you with terrific fun, scale sorties.
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                                  • Originally posted by Aros View Post
                                    Well I don't have the E-flight F-16 70mm but I can tell you it would be apples to oranges just due to weight differential alone. The 90mm F-16 is not a dainty dame. She has plenty of wing load but with the proper understanding of how she likes to be landed AND with the new inrunner setup she will reward you with terrific fun, scale sorties.
                                    Thanks! I am trying to figure out if I have the skills to fly the 90mm. I 've been flying EDF for couple of months, I have a Viper 70 mm and F-16 70mm, I'm very comfortable with both. I am not at ease when I fly the F-35 70mm. Also, does the 90mm F-16 do high alphas?

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                                    • I would hold off on this F-16 until you get a bit more experience with the higher wing-loaded scale jets personally. The 70mm class are like feathers by comparison, lol. I would treat EDFs (generally speaking, there are always exceptions from class-to-class) in a linear way. Cut your teeth on the 64/70mm's first. Then move up to the 80mm's and finally the 90mm class. However each of us have our own learning curves so what may take one person a year or more may take you 3 months or so. These are just basic guidelines. In the end we're all just flyin' and crashin' anyways.

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                                      • I don't find size as important as wing loading (and the type of wing). I, rightly or wrongly, equate higher wing loading with a more difficult to fly model. It's not universally true, but is a decent place to start.

                                        I started a chart with those wing loadings that are in the Freewing instruction manuals and the A-4 was the lightest of those published at 112 - 114 grams/dm if I recall correctly. Lighter will usually mean more forgiving and maneuverable as well.

                                        Many of the older 90mms like the F-15 and F-16 (and F-14) were higher than the newer designs. Deltas and modern designs with lifting bodies tend to distort that figure somewhat though. Deltas are very flexible and well, then you have the one giant wing of the F-22 with it's lifting body that's probably difficult to account for in the specs.

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                                        • Good observations all around Mizer67 . It's true that you can't just look at class size. There are so many variables that come into play for higher wing-loaded models. However, as technology advances, as you pointed out (the older scale 90mm's have much higher wing loads than their current New Gen counterparts like the F-22, F-4, etc), the wing loads "generally" come down with advancement in material selection, engineering and so forth. This is why I was hoping to gently nudge N4Speed in a direction that wouldn't be too much of a surprise on the sticks, lol.

                                          Airfoils, profiles, wing types, and yes size all come into play naturally. If I had to choose which jet N4Speed would have more success with between the Old Gen 90mm F-16 and the New Gen 90mm F-22, well the latter would be my vote and it wouldn't even be a fair fight. And yes that's due to new tech but also the giant wing/lift it provides with such a wide flight envelope to boot. The Old Gen F-16 demands much more respect and you had better fly her like she wants or look out below.

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