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DCORSAIR thanks for the complement of the landing, but it just goes to prove that even a blind squirrel can occasionally find a nut.
Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: EDF's: Mig 29 TV "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, SU-27 90mm 8S:F22 Red Lion/EuroFighterBronzeTiger/F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet/F16/F4 Jolly Rodgers & Blue Angel, 80&90 TV Avanti, Viper, Stinger 90. Props: 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, B-24, 1700 P-51, 60" Beast & P2 Bipe, Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 62" Extra 300, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, 62" Edge
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Ok I have one coming finally! Got a Thunderbird and will be doing something special with this one! Should be fun!Check me out on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/user/gooniac33
I am an RC addict and innovator that loves to share my knowledge with those that need help. Ask me anything via PM if you need help! Check out my Website here https://www.gooniac33.me/
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Nice!! Is that the same EDF that now comes in the BA F-18? I think so, should make a nice upgrade. Although the more I fly mine with the 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner, the more I like it. Flew my Wisconsin Fighter wing version today and even in 98 degree, humid weather in dead calm wind, it got off the grass in 100 feet. Any of you EDF "masters" out there that can tell me the performance difference in the 12 blade 4068-1835 inrunner versus the 9 blade 3672-1900 Kv inrunner?Originally posted by Aros View Post
Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: EDF's: Mig 29 TV "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, SU-27 90mm 8S:F22 Red Lion/EuroFighterBronzeTiger/F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet/F16/F4 Jolly Rodgers & Blue Angel, 80&90 TV Avanti, Viper, Stinger 90. Props: 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, B-24, 1700 P-51, 60" Beast & P2 Bipe, Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 62" Extra 300, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, 62" Edge
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Yep that's the one! I too like my 1835kV inrunner in this jet. Wonder what difference the 1900kV would be?My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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If RC Castle's specs. are accurate you get 100 more grams of thrust with a weight savings of 72 grams and higher efficiency of between 5 and 15 amps.Originally posted by Aros View PostYep that's the one! I too like my 1835kV inrunner in this jet. Wonder what difference the 1900kV would be?
If course, getting accurate specs. is somewhat challenging, but the 1900kv motor sounds very good from the looks of it vs. the 1835 kv one. Probably not worth changing if you have it already, but good if you're buying new. Plus it's significantly less expensive.
All that being said, I'd speculate the larger 39-40mm inrunner motor still does better with acceleration.
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do you think the 8 cell 1380 I currently fly in this jet can handle tens? I use a 150 hobby wing esc no one seems to know I’m liking mine on eights tailerons only flaps only on wings no flaperons for me it lands great I know it can handle the weightOriginally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post
Nice!! Is that the same EDF that now comes in the BA F-18? I think so, should make a nice upgrade. Although the more I fly mine with the 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner, the more I like it. Flew my Wisconsin Fighter wing version today and even in 98 degree, humid weather in dead calm wind, it got off the grass in 100 feet. Any of you EDF "masters" out there that can tell me the performance difference in the 12 blade 4068-1835 inrunner versus the 9 blade 3672-1900 Kv inrunner?
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The biggest advantage to the new 9 blade is the weight and power consumption at full throttle! I have seen my buddy Nate fly his new F-18 for almost 6 mins (not lazy flying.....HARD) And the battery still had 3.75v per cell and the battery was barely warm. This was a 5000 pack as well!! With the 6000s he was over 3.8v per cell!! In other words the batteries were very happy!! The new fan is a great option and much better all around performance than the older 1835kv set up. 9 blades are the perfect number for speed and endurance it seems. Personally I prefer the higher blade count fans for their part throttle advantages since that is the way that I usually fly. I am willing to take a slight hit full throttle amp draw because I spend so little time there anyway. I wonder how good it will do in the F-16?Originally posted by Hugh Wiedman View Post
Nice!! Is that the same EDF that now comes in the BA F-18? I think so, should make a nice upgrade. Although the more I fly mine with the 12 blade 4068-1835 Kv inrunner, the more I like it. Flew my Wisconsin Fighter wing version today and even in 98 degree, humid weather in dead calm wind, it got off the grass in 100 feet. Any of you EDF "masters" out there that can tell me the performance difference in the 12 blade 4068-1835 inrunner versus the 9 blade 3672-1900 Kv inrunner?
However I am setting mine up with an 8s set up... stay tuned... hopefully will get it in the air this weekend!!Check me out on youtube at https://www.youtube.com/user/gooniac33
I am an RC addict and innovator that loves to share my knowledge with those that need help. Ask me anything via PM if you need help! Check out my Website here https://www.gooniac33.me/
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gooniac33 thanks for your input, really appreciate it. Can't wait to here how you like the 8S set-up on this bird. I do like the 12 blade 1835Kv set up in mine, but had it since day 1 so can't compare it to anything else. I'm not that interested in speed, have more the need for thrust to get off the grass and this fan seems to do just fine, and I too am seldom at full throttle.Hugh "Wildman" Wiedman
Hangar: EDF's: Mig 29 TV "Cobra", A-10 Arctic, SU-27 90mm 8S:F22 Red Lion/EuroFighterBronzeTiger/F18 Canadian & Tiger Meet/F16/F4 Jolly Rodgers & Blue Angel, 80&90 TV Avanti, Viper, Stinger 90. Props: 1600 Corsair & Spitfire, B-24, 1700 P-51, 60" Beast & P2 Bipe, Extreme Flight-FW-190 Red Tulip, Slick 60, 62" Extra 300, 62" MXS Heavy Metal, 62" Edge
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Bought a used Viper from a friend. Excellent condition. First step of the repaint is to get the wells, doors and struts gloss white.
Before repaint started, I maidened it on a 6S in-runner setup just to make sure the trims and balance were all set. The plan was to put it on an 8S setup like my other 90mm F-16.
I have to say, I might keep it on the current setup. Obviously, it’s not as fast as the 8S and the vertical isn’t as impressive but it flys and lands so much lighter I just might keep it as is.
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Nice! I love mine on the 6S inrunner setup. Not blazing speeds but MUCH better than stock.My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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Well I don't have the E-flight F-16 70mm but I can tell you it would be apples to oranges just due to weight differential alone. The 90mm F-16 is not a dainty dame. She has plenty of wing load but with the proper understanding of how she likes to be landed AND with the new inrunner setup she will reward you with terrific fun, scale sorties.My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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Thanks! I am trying to figure out if I have the skills to fly the 90mm. I 've been flying EDF for couple of months, I have a Viper 70 mm and F-16 70mm, I'm very comfortable with both. I am not at ease when I fly the F-35 70mm. Also, does the 90mm F-16 do high alphas?Originally posted by Aros View PostWell I don't have the E-flight F-16 70mm but I can tell you it would be apples to oranges just due to weight differential alone. The 90mm F-16 is not a dainty dame. She has plenty of wing load but with the proper understanding of how she likes to be landed AND with the new inrunner setup she will reward you with terrific fun, scale sorties.
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I would hold off on this F-16 until you get a bit more experience with the higher wing-loaded scale jets personally. The 70mm class are like feathers by comparison, lol. I would treat EDFs (generally speaking, there are always exceptions from class-to-class) in a linear way. Cut your teeth on the 64/70mm's first. Then move up to the 80mm's and finally the 90mm class. However each of us have our own learning curves so what may take one person a year or more may take you 3 months or so. These are just basic guidelines. In the end we're all just flyin' and crashin' anyways.
My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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I don't find size as important as wing loading (and the type of wing). I, rightly or wrongly, equate higher wing loading with a more difficult to fly model. It's not universally true, but is a decent place to start.
I started a chart with those wing loadings that are in the Freewing instruction manuals and the A-4 was the lightest of those published at 112 - 114 grams/dm if I recall correctly. Lighter will usually mean more forgiving and maneuverable as well.
Many of the older 90mms like the F-15 and F-16 (and F-14) were higher than the newer designs. Deltas and modern designs with lifting bodies tend to distort that figure somewhat though. Deltas are very flexible and well, then you have the one giant wing of the F-22 with it's lifting body that's probably difficult to account for in the specs.
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Good observations all around Mizer67 . It's true that you can't just look at class size. There are so many variables that come into play for higher wing-loaded models. However, as technology advances, as you pointed out (the older scale 90mm's have much higher wing loads than their current New Gen counterparts like the F-22, F-4, etc), the wing loads "generally" come down with advancement in material selection, engineering and so forth. This is why I was hoping to gently nudge N4Speed in a direction that wouldn't be too much of a surprise on the sticks, lol.
Airfoils, profiles, wing types, and yes size all come into play naturally. If I had to choose which jet N4Speed would have more success with between the Old Gen 90mm F-16 and the New Gen 90mm F-22, well the latter would be my vote and it wouldn't even be a fair fight. And yes that's due to new tech but also the giant wing/lift it provides with such a wide flight envelope to boot. The Old Gen F-16 demands much more respect and you had better fly her like she wants or look out below.
My YouTube RC videos:
https://www.youtube.com/@toddbreda
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needing almost full throttle to keep it up (and thereby losing any gain in flight time) and ending up with very strained vertical. No HS 8000 for that beast anymore!




I had one with the 12 blade 1835kv inrunner but would like to hear how the new 9 blade 1900kv inrunner performs.

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