Official FlightLine RC 2000mm B-24D/J Liberator Thread

[Tonto 04]

Thanks everyone.

It has been 30+ years since I have flown R/C. Joined the local club and I have been well advised to get some practice before I fly the bomber. So now I own a Pandora. If only the wind would go away.

[themudduck]

Hey Tonto, welcome and that is a great piece of work, it looks stunning. Great job! I love it.

Keep it out of the sun!

[Elbee]

Tonto 04, Beautiful work on your B-24, Sir. Welcome to "The Squawk". Best, LB

[Alpha]

Tonto 04 Thank you for your service, and welcome to Hobby Squawk! Your Snooper looks sharp in black. Those crews were very brave, as I recall flying almost entirely unarmed.

[Tonto 04]

First post on Hobbysquawk; however, I have read and benefitted from the previous posts in this thread.

Here is a picture of the plane I have modified to represent a B-24 of the 43rd Bomb Group, 63rd Bomb Squadron, Seahawks as it would have appeared during the last six months of the war in the Pacific. Graphics thanks to Callie Graphics.

The 63rd was one of three Squadrons called Snoopers. They flew radar equipped planes on long night missions, single ship, low altitude at night, against shipping. Hence the black aircraft..

Enjoy!

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P.S. Tonto 04 was one of my call signs as an O-2A FAC 1970-1971 at LZ English and elseware.

[Wild Man]

I decided not to put wing tip wheels on my B-24 Finally got in a set of props and took the B-24 out and flew it for it's second flight. She's a great easy flying quad here is a video I took tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNqANnXgRDM&t=10s

[Wild Man]

Yes, this plane in particular really likes rudder in the turns. It performs much better that way. I just mix the rudder in with the ailerons for this plane on my radio.

To elaborate a little more on what I said before, first of all this plane is so grossly overpowered and will easily take off in 5 feet (with takeoff flaps). That sure doesn't look scale by any means, but like I said you need to get it off quickly to avoid prop strikes on takeoff. It does depends on the conditions... a nice smooth runway and no crosswind, well you'll probably be OK with a scale takeoff. Yes I know that of course you can make a nice scale takeoff run building up speed, and then when you rotate if one wing drops 2 inches from a bit of wind then "pow" you'll break a prop and then the model will snap and cartwheel within seconds. Under power it will happen before you can say "Aw crap". So with this model I prefer a quick takeoff for safety. There's certainly no danger of stalling (combo of takeoff flaps and lots of power). I fly with 3-cell packs and there's still WAY too much power. With a 3-cell pack at full throttle its flying close to Mach 1 at scale speeds (I usually fly at very low power settings). You guys with 4 cells - you can take off and go 90-degrees vertical forever. Which is pretty cool, but completely ridiculous IMO.

For landing, yes you can bring it in nice and slow just above idle with the flaps, or come in a little faster under power, that's OK. But either way the power must be off at that last moment. If a prop hits the ground when its windmilling, it will usually just ricochet out of the way without breaking. Sometimes it will break anyway. But if you have the power on, even a little, then the blade will break every time and you may also break the nacelle off as well. On mine, I usually will cut the power when I'm just a few inches off the ground and let the bird settle in ground effect. Its very easy to land nicely. I know you'll agree!

I break props all the time on my B26. Its just a thing I guess.

I solved this problem for the B-24 and the low ground clearance and getting behind the curve in a cross wind. I made and installed Wing tip wheels just like on the B-52. The out board wing tip Training wheels I designed keep the out board props From hitting the tarmac, if you accidentally do not correct for a cross wind on landing. WORKS GREAT

[quitcherbitchen]

That is fantastic Vulgar. How can I get one?

[Elbee]

Thought I'd follow up on my ball turret project.

VV, Very nice and an exceptionally well done design. Best, LB

[VulgarVulture]

Thought I'd follow up on my ball turret project. My buddy was able to scale up a ball turret he found online to 1/16.7 scale. Here is his final result. i won't have it in hand till July, but with a little filing and paint I think it'll serve its purpose just fine.

[themudduck]

I guess I need to be more specific on what I am saying here. As you have pointed out there is a big difference between Dead stick and cutting the throttle just be for or right at touch down, This is nor has it been my first rodeo no matter what type Aircraft I am flying they are all different types Sport, Low wing, Tri gear, tail draggers, Bi-Planes, Jets, Competition Pylon Racers, Sail planes, Floats planes. Delta wings etc. I have been flying for forty years, I fly every week no matter what the weather is. I am very proficient at what I do. Enough said The B-24 flying off Asphalt does not need flaps to take off, and there is no need to, as one has said to get it off the ground as quick as possible, horsing this Quad into flying is an accident looking for a place to happen. I like to advance the throttle slowly to full and let the plane build up speed holding just a small amount of up elevator and let it rotate when it is ready to fly Then advance the up to establish the rate of climb I want. With a small head wind of between 5 to 10 and making a shallow approach this plane doe's not need flaps, When coming in at a high angle approach no wind, I only use half flap but carry more throttle then cut just before touch done. I am still getting use to the B-24's flight characteristic. the B 24 is a very nice flying Quad with much more power then what is needed and can be flown at just below 1/2 throttle doing landing pattern flight In fact it reminds me of watching a few C5's lumbering in to EAFB here in Rapid city, The B 24 looks like a flying lumber wagon in slow flight. One other thing I do is use Rudder in the turns to make a more coordinated turn instead of slipping and sliding in the turns. First flights are always interesting the cross wind I encountered caught me off guard and I didn't correct with right aileron quick enough just before touch down POWER OFF. And broke a tip off the outboard left motor all I heard was TICK and seen the one blade behind the plane, We have all been there done that. I strive to be proficient at taking off end landing and do more touch end goes then anybody in this area. Many around here have always asked me how do you make such nice landings and take off no matter what the wind. I simple just reply PRACTICE, any body can go up and bore holes in the sky LOL !!!! HAVE A GREAT FATHER'S DAY EVER BODY, I am taking a few Float Planes I have to the lake and have Fun

Yes, this plane in particular really likes rudder in the turns. It performs much better that way. I just mix the rudder in with the ailerons for this plane on my radio.

To elaborate a little more on what I said before, first of all this plane is so grossly overpowered and will easily take off in 5 feet (with takeoff flaps). That sure doesn't look scale by any means, but like I said you need to get it off quickly to avoid prop strikes on takeoff. It does depends on the conditions... a nice smooth runway and no crosswind, well you'll probably be OK with a scale takeoff. Yes I know that of course you can make a nice scale takeoff run building up speed, and then when you rotate if one wing drops 2 inches from a bit of wind then "pow" you'll break a prop and then the model will snap and cartwheel within seconds. Under power it will happen before you can say "Aw crap". So with this model I prefer a quick takeoff for safety. There's certainly no danger of stalling (combo of takeoff flaps and lots of power). I fly with 3-cell packs and there's still WAY too much power. With a 3-cell pack at full throttle its flying close to Mach 1 at scale speeds (I usually fly at very low power settings). You guys with 4 cells - you can take off and go 90-degrees vertical forever. Which is pretty cool, but completely ridiculous IMO.

For landing, yes you can bring it in nice and slow just above idle with the flaps, or come in a little faster under power, that's OK. But either way the power must be off at that last moment. If a prop hits the ground when its windmilling, it will usually just ricochet out of the way without breaking. Sometimes it will break anyway. But if you have the power on, even a little, then the blade will break every time and you may also break the nacelle off as well. On mine, I usually will cut the power when I'm just a few inches off the ground and let the bird settle in ground effect. Its very easy to land nicely. I know you'll agree!

I break props all the time on my B26. Its just a thing I guess.

[Wild Man]

There's a huge difference between a "dead stick" landing and cutting the throttle just before touchdown to save the props from auguring into the ground. I've done dead stick landings and I've also purposely cut throttle on planes that tend to have prop ground strikes at the time of earth contact. These are two different concepts.

I guess I need to be more specific on what I am saying here. As you have pointed out there is a big difference between Dead stick and cutting the throttle just be for or right at touch down, This is nor has it been my first rodeo no matter what type Aircraft I am flying they are all different types Sport, Low wing, Tri gear, tail draggers, Bi-Planes, Jets, Competition Pylon Racers, Sail planes, Floats planes. Delta wings etc. I have been flying for forty years, I fly every week no matter what the weather is. I am very proficient at what I do. Enough said The B-24 flying off Asphalt does not need flaps to take off, and there is no need to, as one has said to get it off the ground as quick as possible, horsing this Quad into flying is an accident looking for a place to happen. I like to advance the throttle slowly to full and let the plane build up speed holding just a small amount of up elevator and let it rotate when it is ready to fly Then advance the up to establish the rate of climb I want. With a small head wind of between 5 to 10 and making a shallow approach this plane doe's not need flaps, When coming in at a high angle approach no wind, I only use half flap but carry more throttle then cut just before touch done. I am still getting use to the B-24's flight characteristic. the B 24 is a very nice flying Quad with much more power then what is needed and can be flown at just below 1/2 throttle doing landing pattern flight In fact it reminds me of watching a few C5's lumbering in to EAFB here in Rapid city, The B 24 looks like a flying lumber wagon in slow flight. One other thing I do is use Rudder in the turns to make a more coordinated turn instead of slipping and sliding in the turns. First flights are always interesting the cross wind I encountered caught me off guard and I didn't correct with right aileron quick enough just before touch down POWER OFF. And broke a tip off the outboard left motor all I heard was TICK and seen the one blade behind the plane, We have all been there done that. I strive to be proficient at taking off end landing and do more touch end goes then anybody in this area. Many around here have always asked me how do you make such nice landings and take off no matter what the wind. I simple just reply PRACTICE, any body can go up and bore holes in the sky LOL !!!! HAVE A GREAT FATHER'S DAY EVER BODY, I am taking a few Float Planes I have to the lake and have Fun

[xviper]

There's a huge difference between a "dead stick" landing and cutting the throttle just before touchdown to save the props from auguring into the ground. I've done dead stick landings and I've also purposely cut throttle on planes that tend to have prop ground strikes at the time of earth contact. These are two different concepts.

[RRHandy]

themudduck, I agree with you on the cut throttle at the (point of touch down) to save props, with that said I like to come in with some speed to make nice main and some three point landing and can say with most pilots landings are always the practice practice practice point of the whole flying envelope.

[Hugh Wiedman]

themudduck agree with you on the take off of the B-24, with 1/2 flaps it gets off fairly quickly, even on grass for me. Everyone has their own preferences on landing techniques and whatever works for you, so be it, but with that said I do agree with Wild Man that, IMO, dead stick landings are definitely not my thing. I will never do a dead stick landing (unless of course if the motor dies) on any of my prop or EDF planes. 2 pointers on the mains are my preferred way to go with some power at touchdown. If it's a prop tail-dragger, a perfectly flat 2 point landing with power is a must and then let it roll out and drop the tail. If it's a nose gear tricycle prop/jet, then a 2 pointer on the mains with a nose up attitude is best for me, and that requires power. My big Extreme Flight 3D planes can do dead stick landings all day, but even with those, a flat 2 pointer is preferred with some throttle.

For the B-24, I bring it in with full flaps at 21% throttle until a foot off the deck, then drop it to 14% throttle and ease in up elevator until it get's it's nose up and descends the last foot to the runway. Then, and only then, do I cut the throttle. This gives a nice smooth landing and keeps the wings level ensuring that there is not an outboard prop strike. If you dead stick it, you're inviting it to hit a stall speed before landing, ensuring that the left wing will drop and resulting in a guaranteed prop strike. Dead sticking a tail dragger can also inadvertently result in a wing stall and ending up with it dropping like a rock, most likely crushing your landing gear (case in point is the Corsair). For me, another bad landing is a 3 pointer. When was the last time you saw a good pilot land a real plane that way, but to each his own.

The weakest point of most of our planes landing gear are either the nose gear or the tail gear, so don't put undue pressure on those parts.

I've spent the last 2 years working aggressively on my landing techniques, which were the weakest phase of my flying (although some would say all my phases are week). Every landing is now done with power and in the past, with any plane, landings that I cut power completely before being on the ground usually ended poorly.

[Wild Man]

When you take off, use 1/2 flaps and get it off the ground as quickly as possible.
If you have a prop strike during takeoff and it breaks a blade like you did while landing, the model will crash very quickly. It will snap before you realize what happened.

Fortunately, the B24 will take off very quickly.

For landings, try to make sure the power is completely off just before touchdown. That will help avoid prop blades breaking (although nothing will guarantee that it won't happen).

I disagree with your landing this plane with no power that is not how to land any plane. landing a plane dead stick is just an accident looking for a place to happen

[themudduck]

I really like the way this one flies and looks awesome in the sky, The only criticism I have about this plane, the props are so close to the ground. I have flown it a few times now. and have found if you do not make an almost perfectly level landing, you will tip a prop
or break one. on the last flight I made a few days ago we had a little cross wind gust, it tip the plane just enough and I did not correct in time and, as you can see in the photo what happened on that landing. The wing tip did not touch the paved runway. I can
imagine try to fly the B-24 off grass, must be a good way to mow the field LOL !!!!!!

When you take off, use 1/2 flaps and get it off the ground as quickly as possible.
If you have a prop strike during takeoff and it breaks a blade like you did while landing, the model will crash very quickly. It will snap before you realize what happened.

Fortunately, the B24 will take off very quickly.

For landings, try to make sure the power is completely off just before touchdown. That will help avoid prop blades breaking (although nothing will guarantee that it won't happen).

[Wild Man]

I really like the way this one flies and looks awesome in the sky, The only criticism I have about this plane, the props are so close to the ground. I have flown it a few times now. and have found if you do not make an almost perfectly level landing, you will tip a prop
or break one. on the last flight I made a few days ago we had a little cross wind gust, it tip the plane just enough and I did not correct in time and, as you can see in the photo what happened on that landing. The wing tip did not touch the paved runway. I can
imagine try to fly the B-24 off grass, must be a good way to mow the field LOL !!!!!!

[Elbee]

VulgarVulter, I was sent the Squadron Photo by an ol' friend who had thought the officer in the A-2 and crush cap reminded him of yours truly from a former and much younger life. I was flattered but had to inform him that those niceties are reserved for the 'real combat pilots' and not the weekend 'below the zone' officers. Best, LB

[Hugh Wiedman]

Finally got my Silver B-24 out for 4 flights along with 3 other warbirds. I haven't flown this one in over a year. I usually take out my Olive B-24 if I'm taking a bomber, so I thought it was time to show the Silver one a little love. Almost 10 minutes on 2 Admiral 4000's. Like the Olive (and all my prop warbirds), I have the MR RC Sound system in it with the multi-engine card. With the moving turrets and redone cockpit, the other guys at the field were suitably impressed! After spending so much time working on flying my EDF's, it was such a pleasure to have such long flight times and fly something that just flies sooo sweet and lands like a butterfly. Scale turns with the rudder, a little opposite aileron and a smig of elevator make it look like the real thing. Actually, after working so long on mastering the landing techniques for jets, it really helped me in landing the B-24, getting the nose up and making a nice 2 pointer. It's amazing how well this thing flies. FL/FW turn out, IMOP, some of the finest foam planes/jets anywhere, so whatever you're doing Alpha , keep it up. Each model you turn out seems to be better than the last, if that's possible (hey Alpha, that lobbying for FW/FL should be worth a gift certificate, right?)