Official FlightLine RC 2000mm B-24D/J Liberator Thread

[xviper]

I have only one comment on the above. The B-24 has short dachshund legs, and so prop strikes can be a problem. Especially the outboard props are set wide, and so will strike the ground if you are not perfectly level on landing and takeoff. Maybe it is good to practice this with the Apprentice, and make directional corrections during landing with the rudder instead of aileron (which you should do anyway, but it is really important with the B-24). Anyway, best wishes, and hope you enjoy it!

Excellent advice! I was going to post the same thing. I bounced in and out of a divot and caught one outboard prop. The whole plane "tiddly winked" and did a cartwheel. Snapped the fuse in the middle, ripped one wing off, ripped out a gear and tore out on engine, busted prop and all. Other stuff need to be glued back as well.

[Elbee]

[SIZE=16px][FONT=Calibri]Hi everyone, I’m new to RC planes.

Hey TP, Welcome to "The Squawk". Best, LB

[Gringotuerto]

3. Are there any particular tips or problems I should be aware of while building or flying?

I have only one comment on the above. The B-24 has short dachshund legs, and so prop strikes can be a problem. Especially the outboard props are set wide, and so will strike the ground if you are not perfectly level on landing and takeoff. Maybe it is good to practice this with the Apprentice, and make directional corrections during landing with the rudder instead of aileron (which you should do anyway, but it is really important with the B-24). Anyway, best wishes, and hope you enjoy it!

[Hugh Wiedman]

Can you post a link to "what I flew"? Looks like several things were missed. I think the biggest problem was this guys caller. Whenever I'm flying my turbines with non turbines, I prefer to stay at least 40-50ft above the ground over the runway. I can always fly my pattern as desired when I have the field. When I fly my electric / foamies, I simply don't fly when turbines are airborne. Dont want to be the one ruining a 15k aircraft, even if it is his fault. Sometimes, they take off when Im airborne. Hasnt happened but if I ruin his day, thats on him. I should have offered you compensation though.
turbines and slower aircraft dont mix well. Its like planes and helis.. or 3d plane guys who still hover at the far side of centerline, not moving, when youve called landing...

https://www.hobbysquawk.com/forum/rc-airplanes/miscellaneous-rc-radio-control-topics/56821-what-did-you-fly-today?p=280230#post280230

I think that will get you there, but not much more except some pictures and a better explanation of the occurrence. I also never fly when there is a turbine in the air but I was up for about 5 minutes (and had another 5 left on the timer) just as he pulled onto the field and got airborne. I immediately called landing to get out of his way but you are correct, his spotter (required for all turbines when other aircraft are up) clearly had his head up his butt, never looking anywhere except at his pilot's jet. But in the end, the pilot had no business doing a high speed pass over the runway when another pilot has called landing.

[TedP]

Hi everyone, I’m new to RC planes and I’m just starting to learn with an Apprentice S 15e.
Planning for the future, I bought a second-hand NIB Flightline 2000 MM B-24. I already have a DX9 and a Spektrum 9 channel receiver (AR9030T) I plan to use with it.
I won’t be flying it right away, but I do have several questions:
1. Is the Flightline B-24 available for RealFlight or other sim? Or are there other models in RealFlight which would handle similarly?
2. Are there certain replacement or upgrade parts I should get? Upgraded main gear already came with it.
3. Are there any particular tips or problems I should be aware of while building or flying?
4. What would be a good gyro choice?
5. Are there specific YouTube videos I should see for tips on building, flying, etc.?

Thanks in advance for your help!

[barron06]

Well it's R.I.P. for my silver B-24. Already posted in "What I Flew" a full explanation, but at our clubs annual AeroFest event for Large Scale aircraft/helicopters, I announced my intention to land, was cleared for landing, and then just 15 feet above the center of the runway as I was coming in, a 1/5 scale F-16 Turbine "clocked" me from behind as the for brains pilot decided it would be a good time to do a high speed low pass over the runway (against 2 club/event rules). And not only did he not offer to reimburse me, he never even apologized!!! This guy is loaded (must have embezzled it) and has dozens of the high cost turbines but thinks he can do as he pleases. Fortunately I still have an Olive B-24 (which I fly the pants off) but generally use the silver only for events. And the A-10 I brought as well at least spared the "wrath of the turbines". Both have sound systems and operating turrets with gunners and a rebuilt cockpit, but when the Olive B-24 found out his "buddy" was D.O.A., it's been severally depressed for the last few days. May have to get him a Mig to play with! But man, those B-24's just fly so well, have plenty of power and land like a sweet heart. May have to get another Silver just for the heck of it.








Isn't that A great photo? The organizer was taking photos of my landing when he got lucky and shot this. Talk about "Sh.... Hitting the Fan"!!!! One of the mains is 5 feet up over the plane!

Can you post a link to "what I flew"? Looks like several things were missed. I think the biggest problem was this guys caller. Whenever I'm flying my turbines with non turbines, I prefer to stay at least 40-50ft above the ground over the runway. I can always fly my pattern as desired when I have the field. When I fly my electric / foamies, I simply don't fly when turbines are airborne. Dont want to be the one ruining a 15k aircraft, even if it is his fault. Sometimes, they take off when Im airborne. Hasnt happened but if I ruin his day, thats on him. I should have offered you compensation though.
turbines and slower aircraft dont mix well. Its like planes and helis.. or 3d plane guys who still hover at the far side of centerline, not moving, when youve called landing...

[Hugh Wiedman]

Our Club would have you lodge a complaint and then the board would have a meeting about sanctioning him. Meaning he either pays if it was determined that he broke a club rule causing the loss of your model or he gets banned for a certain time period--grounded. Board members don't make many friends this way, but safety is safety and if you break a rule that the club may get in trouble for there has to be repercussions. We have found most mid airs are from repeat offenders. Personally I land if a turbine goes up. I won't risk the difference in speed Vs avoidance. Closing rates are just too high to get out of the way. I doubt that guy was even paying attention to your call out to land. Just my 2 cents. I have been a safety officer for more then 4 years

Your not far off. Neither he or his spotter (a requirement of all turbines if anyone else of any kind is out) were paying attention to anyone else, even though they both called clear when I made the announcement to land. Like you, I always land when a large turbine goes out as well, which is what I was trying to do exactly. He was up for less than 30 seconds when he struck me as I immediately called for landing although I still had over 4 minutes left on my timer. There were also 2 others up when I was flying, however, both were large scale gas (a WWI Bi-Plane and a civilian aircraft) and we all kept our distance from each other. As soon as he got his F-16 in the air, I tried to get out of the airspace but didn't quite make it.

[quitcherbitchen]

Hugh there are more arrogant guys around like this SOB. He needs to step up apologize, and pay you for the damages. I have seen this more then I would like to admit to. maybe he should be kicked out of the club?

Our Club would have you lodge a complaint and then the board would have a meeting about sanctioning him. Meaning he either pays if it was determined that he broke a club rule causing the loss of your model or he gets banned for a certain time period--grounded. Board members don't make many friends this way, but safety is safety and if you break a rule that the club may get in trouble for there has to be repercussions. We have found most mid airs are from repeat offenders. Personally I land if a turbine goes up. I won't risk the difference in speed Vs avoidance. Closing rates are just too high to get out of the way. I doubt that guy was even paying attention to your call out to land. Just my 2 cents. I have been a safety officer for more then 4 years

[Hugh Wiedman]

I'm pretty much over it although I am going to file a formal complaint. I would normally take a "c'est la vie" attitude if it was a mid air crash, however, to be "rear ended" on landing after being cleared directly over the runway about 15-20 feet high is unacceptable. As I said, the other rule for this Event (and our normal club rule) is never fly directly over the runway. Who in their right mind would do a high speed low pass over the runway when someone else has been cleared to land (even by the offending pilot). I don't expect reimbursement and would have refused to take it anyway, only a bit of humility in acknowledging that he made a stupid decision (and I'm not above making stupid decisions myself now and again).

He was able to land it without further damage but has probably a couple thousand dollars worth of repairs. Not that much considering his cost is somewhere between 10-$15,000. I even expressed my sympathy to him after the incidence and told him I hoped he could get it fixed, but his only response was "we'll see". On second thought I should have gone postal on him! I'm done being the "nice guy".

[Gringotuerto]

Hmmm...interesting, our club kind of has a "c'est la vie" policy about mid-airs, and so far it seems to have all been reasonably congenial. It is very subjective to say who is at fault, and nobody has a mid-air on purpose. So at our club, there seems to be an understanding that everybody takes care of their own loss. But there is a spectrum of fault, and I suppose in a case where fault is at one end of the spectrum, somebody might bring up compensation. I haven't ever seen it raised yet in my many years at my club, but I can't swear it has never come up.

I guess different clubs must have different habits in this.

Anyway in this case, if his plane ultimately crashed (it doesn't look too good in the photo) then his flying cost him a lot too. I can't even imagine what a 1/5 scale turbine jet costs. Well, I guess it doesn't matter since your plane is gone either way, but somehow it might be even more irritating to get blown up by a much cheaper plane...?

[Wild Man]

the whole thing is a bad deal. Out here in big Sky country he would have had the you know what kicked out of him if he didn't apologize and pay for his mistake. Things can get rather ugly sometimes

[themudduck]

The more I think about it the more angry I get.

[Wild Man]

Hugh there are more arrogant guys around like this SOB. He needs to step up apologize, and pay you for the damages. I have seen this more then I would like to admit to. maybe he should be kicked out of the club?

[quitcherbitchen]

Great Idea!! send it to the AMA.

[themudduck]

What an incredible photo, should be in a magazine. Don't let the bastard get away with that, its BS. Its his responsibility to avoid you since his jet is faster and larger. (not to mention that just as you said, you had the right-of-way since you were landing) At the very least you need to let everyone in the club know about his dirty deed.

[quitcherbitchen]

WOW!! As far as breaking the club rules. Being on my Club Board I would suggest you contact the Safety Officer with this Photo and put in a petition to sanction him. He will only do it again. People need to see the cost of stupidity. I don't know what is in you by laws, but know would be a good time to either find out or write a new by law pertaining to observers or disregard for safety when more then one plane is in the air.

[Prowler901]

So sorry to see this, Hugh. I've always admired your two Libs. You've done beautiful work on them.

The arrogance of some people really astounds me. I just don't understand how they can be like that.

[RRHandy]

Sorry for your loss. I would make him pay for the plane and time you have in the repaint, broke the rules X2. I have made people pay for their f-ups.
Did he get to land or did it go in too?


R.

[Hugh Wiedman]

Well it's R.I.P. for my silver B-24. Already posted in "What I Flew" a full explanation, but at our clubs annual AeroFest event for Large Scale aircraft/helicopters, I announced my intention to land, was cleared for landing, and then just 15 feet above the center of the runway as I was coming in, a 1/5 scale F-16 Turbine "clocked" me from behind as the for brains pilot decided it would be a good time to do a high speed low pass over the runway (against 2 club/event rules). And not only did he not offer to reimburse me, he never even apologized!!! This guy is loaded (must have embezzled it) and has dozens of the high cost turbines but thinks he can do as he pleases. Fortunately I still have an Olive B-24 (which I fly the pants off) but generally use the silver only for events. And the A-10 I brought as well at least spared the "wrath of the turbines". Both have sound systems and operating turrets with gunners and a rebuilt cockpit, but when the Olive B-24 found out his "buddy" was D.O.A., it's been severally depressed for the last few days. May have to get him a Mig to play with! But man, those B-24's just fly so well, have plenty of power and land like a sweet heart. May have to get another Silver just for the heck of it.








Isn't that A great photo? The organizer was taking photos of my landing when he got lucky and shot this. Talk about "Sh.... Hitting the Fan"!!!! One of the mains is 5 feet up over the plane!

[RRHandy]

To help out, the files you are looking for are in the description highlighted in blue third paragraph and there are 20 files in it for down load.

Ron.