New E-flite Fw-190A, 1.5m

[jetdoc]

jetdoc I was hoping and refraining from starting or hoping the endless luftwaffe color debate wouldn’t materialize. Those of us that have studied and modeled Luftwaffe aircraft over the years know how endless, and even heated the debates can become. Paint it how you like...

[Oxotnik]

While waiting for pre-releases to actually be released, what else can we do but critique and speculate? :-)

My problems with the stock paint scheme are 3 fold:
1. It is supposed to be a model of a replica, that doesn't appear to have any pedigree back to an actual livery used in WWII. Personally, I'm not keen on models of replicas or of airshow paint schemes, if they have no pedigree back to an authentic paint scheme.
2. The stock scheme misses the color of the fuselage of the non-WWII paint scheme that it is trying to replicate.
3. The green polka dots are a pitiful attempt at mottling. It is an absolutely hideous, to me anyway.

I am excited to get this Wurger and will repaint it. Repaints are fun to do anyway.

[Beeg]

jetdoc I was hoping and refraining from starting or hoping the endless luftwaffe color debate wouldn’t materialize. Those of us that have studied and modeled Luftwaffe aircraft over the years know how endless, and even heated the debates can become. Paint it how you like...

[Tim K]

The FW190 is my favorite German WWII Plane and Im planning on getting this one. The paint is horrible so I'm going to do a full re-paint probably. I don't think I have seen any manufacture be able to do good a German camo yet.

[jetdoc]

As a clarification to my previous post, RLM65 was used as a base coat and for lower surfaces early in the war and up until sometime in 1943 when the cobalt necessary to produce the blue tint became a scarce commodity due to its use in steel production. RLM76 replaced RLM65 throughout the remainder of the war although many eastern front aircraft continued to use the RLM65 basecoat, usually with green, gray/green and brown camo upper surfaces. The 65/76 debate has gone on for decades and probably will for many more. When I was in IPMS 1/48 scale competition in the '80s and '90s I saw countless shouting matches arise from this very subject. That being said, IMHO the light blue on the model is acceptable in its current tint, especially considering the doubtless lack of quality control and consistency in materiel late in the war. If you've ever seen a non-restored active WWII combat aircraft it becomes quickly evident that within reason, almost anything goes.

[jetdoc]

I pre-ordered mine as soon as I saw it on the HH website. The Fw-190A-8 is by far my favorite WWII single engine fighter. I have said for years that if anyone produced a proportionally accurate model in the 5' to 6' range I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I ordered the PNP version. I also don't care for all the Spektrum "bells and whistles". I fly with an iX12 transmitter but have replaced the receivers in most of my planes with Admiral or Lemon as I have found them to be more reliable and less finicky. The first item of business when the 190 arrives is to remove the "Frasca" stickers from the gear doors and apply the proper swastikas to the vertical stab I have ordered from Callie. I have studied the 190 and it's many variants for years and I don't have a huge problem with the RLM65 blue base paint. There were more 190s in RLM65 than the lighter RLM76 more commonly used as the base coat on later 109s. Regardless, I welcome this model and with swastikas it will look just fine at 100', "polka dots" and all. Thanks HH (and FMS) for this long-needed addition to my fleet.

[Gilatrout]

I've always wanted to do either one of these schemes. Creating the Walter Nowotny Winter Camo allows you to have a "white canvas" to work on. Once again, I can't believe that a manufacturer goes all the way through production; distribution and marketing only to present a "half baked" scheme for their overly expensive model. I was really hoping for a FlightLine version! It also appears from the videos out there, that the Eflite FW190 and P51 Mustang both need their wheels changed because they are bouncy on landing....

Those are beautiful. Dang it, I don't want to have to get this plane, but those liveries are sweet.

[Oxotnik]

I will be doing mine in this scheme of Klaus Bretschneider. I always seem to end up repainting and weathering these days anyway so Repainting the standard scheme is no biggie to me.

Yep, it’s really expensive (especially on the NZ dollar) but I’ve wanted a decent size FW190 A with the right gear stance for years. I would have been happy with a Dora but prefer the snub nose A model myself (sorry lads...). I almost bought an FMS 1400mm last year but missed out as they stopped manufacturing them, I’m glad I didn’t as this looks much nicer and is bang on scale for my 1.6 Spitty. Great it shares the same batteries too.

Now the hard part...saving up....sigh.....in the meantime, I’ll enjoy seeing what you all do with yours.

Cheers
Kurt

I could’ve written this post myself! Well, except for the FMS 1.4m 190 part, and saving up. I just won’t eat for a couple days. LOL But, I did save $50 by pre-ordering. That’s the part that my wife will understand. We both justify our purchases to each other in terms of how much money we ‘saved’, whenever we buy stuff that we don’t need. (Although I could probably have made the case that my health would’ve suffered if I hadn’t bought this FW-190... depression, regret, and self loathing... the psychiatrist visits would’ve been MUCH more expensive).

That Bretschneider livery looks awesome!! Can’t wait to see it, when you’re done!

Being a warbirder, since childhood, this hobby scratches two big itches for me: collecting exciting warbirds and flying them. When I’m flying RC warbirds, I giggle like a school girl. I don’t mind paying a bit extra if a subject comes out that really interests me. I love having planes in the same scale, too. 1/10 and 1/6, are two scales into which a lot of my planes fall.

[Beetlemankurt]

I will be doing mine in this scheme of Klaus Bretschneider. I always seem to end up repainting and weathering these days anyway so Repainting the standard scheme is no biggie to me.

Yep, it’s really expensive (especially on the NZ dollar) but I’ve wanted a decent size FW190 A with the right gear stance for years. I would have been happy with a Dora but prefer the snub nose A model myself (sorry lads...). I almost bought an FMS 1400mm last year but missed out as they stopped manufacturing them, I’m glad I didn’t as this looks much nicer and is bang on scale for my 1.6 Spitty. Great it shares the same batteries too.

Now the hard part...saving up....sigh.....in the meantime, I’ll enjoy seeing what you all do with yours.

Cheers
Kurt

[AirHead]

[QUOTE=Oxotnik;n294828]

What's the story on the Nowotny Weiss 8 that's in your photo? Is that one of yours?
No, that's not my plane. I copied that photo from the Net awhile back when researching Nowotny. If I do this scheme, I will paint the plane completely white and go from there. Otherwise, I will have to evaluate various shades of grey to match what I call "U-Boat Grey" as a base tone to work from. It is true that the Eflite looks like a "polka dot fiasco". The only Eflite plane I own is the Twin Otter which I had to modify, but it is a good friend now. The fact is; we have all been hoping for a FlightLine FW190 or Dora in a great scheme and a good price without all the bells and whistles. HH is selling stuff that most folks aren't happy with. I'm not just ranting. There's stuff out there to support this claim...Good things come to those who wait...

[Oxotnik]

I assumed the 1600... it has its issues so not really worth it to me.

The Starmax/HK 1.6m FW-190A has serious QC issues. The biggest is the gear. That dang things don't work reliably. I've ordered a LX gear controller, but haven't gotten around to replacing the stock controllers with the LX controllers. So, my 1.6m Wurger sits idle in the to-be-repaired-one-day pile.

[Oxotnik]

That telemetry is pretty nice. On my planes where I have it, I fly my battery instead of a timer. But even so, eflite is overcharging. HK just announced a similar sized FW190 at $200 less. The difference is not explained by adding a smart esc.

I have to admit, I do like telemetry. My radio system of choice is the OpenTX JumperT16, running FrSky X8R receivers (up to 16 channels and daisy-chainable telemetry sensors including battery voltage, GPS, and airspeed (pitot tube, which I'm actually running in my Freewing T-33). As someone else has said, the flight timer now becomes my secondary flight-health indication. I use the enunciation of the lowest-cell voltage as primary. I'm now able to keep planes in the air longer, if I wish, and on a couple of occasions, I've detected batteries with waaaaaay too much slump in an EDF and was able to land early, probably avoiding really bad flights.

[Oxotnik]

I've always wanted to do either one of these schemes. Creating the Walter Nowotny Winter Camo allows you to have a "white canvas" to work on. Once again, I can't believe that a manufacturer goes all the way through production; distribution and marketing only to present a "half baked" scheme for their overly expensive model. I was really hoping for a FlightLine version! It also appears from the videos out there, that the Eflite FW190 and P51 Mustang both need their wheels changed because they are bouncy on landing....

What's the story on the Nowotny Weiss 8 that's in your photo? Is that one of yours? That is the Nowotny winter scheme that I was originally planning on doing. I think to do it accurately, the white should be a whitewash, with the undercolors seeping through to a degree. That's why I decided against doing a white Weiss 8 and will do a summer scheme instead. I don't want those friggin' round mottles peaking through. The Summer scheme will me more of a challenge anyway. Me likes a good painting challenge.

I can't remember if I've said it already, but I agree with you all on prices of EFlite airplanes. For several years now, I've felt that they're out of line high. They're incorporating SAFE and SMART technologies into all of their BNFs, which drives their price up. Then, I'm guessing, they're realizing how good their AS3X stabilization system is, and are jacking the prices up even farther. I've only bought EFlite UMXs over the last few years. I'd MUCH rather buy a Freewing or Flightline warbird/EDF, rather than a grossly overpriced EFlite warbird. With that said, though, I love FW-190s (both radial and lang nasen) so much that I couldn't resist. I've got the larger Starmax/HK 1.6m FW-190A-8, but it's components are so friggin' unreliable, that I can't get it in the air anymore. I am willing to shell out the highway-robbery price to get one. I'm hoping that it doesn't suffer from some of the QC issues that the EFlite 1.5m P-51 did. Why EFlite will produce a nice warbird, then copy the ugly paint scheme that has no pedigree back to WWII baffles me. I don't mind repainting though.. :-)

[AirHead]

I assumed the 1600... it has its issues so not really worth it to me.

Seems to be a lot of that going around lately....

[Evan D]

I assumed the 1600... it has its issues so not really worth it to me.

[AirHead]

That telemetry is pretty nice. On my planes where I have it, I fly my battery instead of a timer. But even so, eflite is overcharging. HK just announced a similar sized FW190 at $200 less. The difference is not explained by adding a smart esc.

I took a look online to see the HK announcement of a similar sized FW190 at $200 dollars less. I didn't see it. Are you talking about the 1600mm one they've had for the last few years? The 1600 is cheaper but it's not new. We're you thinking about the sad announcement of the "new release" of the 1320mm Avro Lancaster V3 perhaps? They haven't upped the size of it since the last one and now it's a "belly landing 4 motor bomber"....Wow...

[Gilatrout]

...and they are forcing their "special" overpriced ESC with all the telemetry that most of us don't care about.

That telemetry is pretty nice. On my planes where I have it, I fly my battery instead of a timer. But even so, eflite is overcharging. HK just announced a similar sized FW190 at $200 less. The difference is not explained by adding a smart esc.

[Beeg]

Yep …… as soon as you tack the Eflite name to a FMS product you can tack on a Cnote to the consumer cost

...and they are forcing their "special" overpriced ESC with all the telemetry that most of us don't care about.

[AirHead]

I've always wanted to do either one of these schemes. Creating the Walter Nowotny Winter Camo allows you to have a "white canvas" to work on. Once again, I can't believe that a manufacturer goes all the way through production; distribution and marketing only to present a "half baked" scheme for their overly expensive model. I was really hoping for a FlightLine version! It also appears from the videos out there, that the Eflite FW190 and P51 Mustang both need their wheels changed because they are bouncy on landing....

[OV10]

But I have to admit the price seems uglier than the dots.

Yep …… as soon as you tack the Eflite name to a FMS product you can tack on a Cnote to the consumer cost