Official Freewing 70mm Twin Me 262 Thread

[themudduck]

Thanks for sharing, I am planning to complete the re-enforcement and maiden it after. Do you have more photos showing detail of your work? thanks

Hi - I posted some pics showing the detail of the CF reinforcement several posts back, #357 on my computer. The only thing you can't see is that the tubes are stuck forwards into the nose as far as I could get them, and I securely glued them in. Several others have posted comments and pics in this thread as well regarding this idea, but those are much further back. From other comments I've read it seems that its a very common problem for the nose to break off on this model and many of us have installed the reinforcement rods or tubes on each side. That big battery hatch opening allows the nose to flex upwards under stress and the CF helps to provide some strength in that area.

[Ralph Stepper]

Hi Folks,

after finishing the March Mayhem Contest with 8th place I am very pleased and honored - so many incredibly customized and beautifully shot models and all of them would have deserved a top rank. Therefore again many thanks to all voters and of course to James and the Motion RC team for having this happened again.
And of course deepest congrads to the winner and his impressive B-24!

As promised - here now some further images of the 8th rank voted Freewing Me 262 V2, converted into a A2a Sturmvogel (stormbird) Blitzbomber, Bu.No. 110613 „9K+DK“ of 2^nd/KG 51, flown by Ofw. Hermann Wieczorek from Rheine-Hopsten airfield in February 1945.
Beside a full gear modification (100 degree front gear with 64 mm wheel and 85 mm main gear wheels as well as adding inner main gear doors) I did a full flap mod. (full flaps instead of stock split flaps) as well as a full cockpit re-do and numerous scale mods and additions (working nav. lights, SC 250 bombs, Riedel starter cones, antennas, ...).

Thanks
Ralph

[Twowingtj]

Well done! Looks great!

[BadClams]

That looks fantastic, Ralph

[BadClams]

Hello from a newb! Can someone tell me, if my newly acquired but used Me262 has 12-blade fans, is this a V2? The shrink wrapping on the ESCs have no stickers (information) so I can’t verify if they’re the 60A models. It’s the Yellow 7 paint scheme and 12 blade fans. Just wondering about the motors and ESCs now.

For those of you who have “experimented” with settings, can anyone offer how many mm you’ve tried for landing flaps? I’d like to use as much as possible but am curious if there’s consensus on a max value.

Thanks in advance!

[BadClams]

Looks like the $$$ recently changed from $469 to $499? ouch...

[quitcherbitchen]

Fantastic plane Ralph. #1 in my book!!! I think I would be afraid to fly it

[xviper]

Hello from a newb! Can someone tell me, if my newly acquired but used Me262 has 12-blade fans, is this a V2? The shrink wrapping on the ESCs have no stickers (information) so I can’t verify if they’re the 60A models. It’s the Yellow 7 paint scheme and 12 blade fans. Just wondering about the motors and ESCs now.

For those of you who have “experimented” with settings, can anyone offer how many mm you’ve tried for landing flaps? I’d like to use as much as possible but am curious if there’s consensus on a max value.

Thanks in advance!

The "Yellow 7" is the latest and current version of the FW ME-262. They didn't give it a "version" number. You can go to any seller and look at the product description and see what's in it.

https://www.rc-castle.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=470_471_654&product_id=8849

Since the manual doesn't say anything about flap deflection, I just dial in as much as it'll take without over-driving the servo (for full flaps, go 1/2 that for 1/2 flaps), then dial it back some for the first couple of flights and test high up. Use some flap delay (like 2 to 3 seconds) so the deflection isn't sudden and upset the plane. Once you see how it does with that, you can dial in some elevator compensation (or not). Work your way to more flaps as you feel comfortable with.
Warning: Don't suddenly crank on the throttle for take off. It'll lift its nose before it's ready to fly and go into a steep climb and stall, then wing over and crash. Easy on the elevator when taking off until the speed gets up.

[Twowingtj]

BadClams in addition to xviper's sound advise, don't use take-off flaps for take-off, for the very same reason. It's a fun jet to fly.

[BadClams]

Thanks very much for the prompt and in-depth advice, gents. I was asking about V1 vs V2 as when I look at the motors from behind, it looks like the outer barrel is what's spinning and am confused about out runner/in runner. I've seen folks both for and against using TO flaps on this bird.
In any event, I just need to adjust my throws and enable/tune my AS3X/SAFE and it's ready to go.

[xviper]

I see now that they do class them as V1 and V2. The V1 is no longer available unless a seller has old stock. The current "V2" is the "Yellow 7".
Are you sure you are seeing the motor clearly?

Here is what the "outrunner" motor on the V1 looks like:

https://www.motionrc.com/products/freewing-3048-2150kv-brushless-outrunner-motor-mo030481?variant=19079386822

Notice where the wires come out? Everything aft of the wires spin with the fan.

Here is what the EDF on the V2 looks like:

https://www.motionrc.com/products/freewing-70mm-12-blade-edf-6s-power-system-w-2952-2100kv-e7219

Notice where the wires come out? You should see nothing except the fan spin.

You say yours is "newly acquired but used". Is it possible that the previous owner tried to make it look like the "Yellow 7" by adding decals to a V1?

Here is the V1:

https://www.killerplanes.com/content/freewing-me-262-twin-70mm-jet-pnp

Compare all the decals. Sometimes, when a person adds decals to make a plane look like a current version, they either don't add all the decals or they don't take off some of the old decals.

[BadClams]

Thanks for the links!

Odd, but yes it's a Yellow 7 (green top and red, yellow, blue stripes) but has the out runners (thanks for directing my attention to the wiring. Made it easy to ID). I guess I'd hoped that as it has 12B fans it was ONLY with the (supposedly improved?) in-runners. Doesn't appear to have ever been flown (the tires/gear are absolutely spotless and the fans appear perfect (dust-free). The mystery is due to the fact I bought it from another club member who acquired it from the (original?) owner in a multi-plane deal down south... I have no clue on the provenance so I'm trying to figure out, exactly, what I've got here. Thanks for your help!

[Twowingtj]

The original Yellow 7 came out with the 12-blade fans with the outrunner motors, which you seem to have.

They recently upgraded the 262 to the "high performance" version that comes with inrunner motors.

[BadClams]

The original Yellow 7 came out with the 12-blade fans with the outrunner motors, which you seem to have.

They recently upgraded the 262 to the "high performance" version that comes with inrunner motors.

Has anyone had a chance to run the different versions side by side? Wondering how dramatic the difference?

[xviper]

Both the outrunner and inrunner are close in KV but I think the inrunner can drive the same fan more easily and get up to speed better. Once up to speed, I don't think there would be much difference. I had the outrunner version first and now the inrunner "Yellow 7" and quite frankly, I really can't say I could tell the difference.

[BadClams]

Both the outrunner and inrunner are close in KV but I think the inrunner can drive the same fan more easily and get up to speed better. Once up to speed, I don't think there would be much difference. I had the outrunner version first and now the inrunner "Yellow 7" and quite frankly, I really can't say I could tell the difference.

Very cool. I'm excited to maiden. I'm going to use a Liperion 4500/40 and SMC 5300/40 and hope for "ok" flight times. I'm not a big boom and zoom guy so I'm going to begin with 3:00 on my timer and hope to expand things from there. Trying to decide on using 2 AS3X modes or 1 AS3X and 1 SAFE. Then it'll be go-time.

[BadClams]

For those of you using a large amount of landing flaps, are you mixing in any elevator at all?

[xviper]

For those of you using a large amount of landing flaps, are you mixing in any elevator at all?

This is entirely dependent upon the flying style of the pilot/owner. As I eluded to earlier, you have to test how the flaps affect your plane up high and determine from there. If you deploy your flaps like they do on a real plane, you likely won't need any elevator comp. IE, when about to deploy flaps, you are beginning to slow down in preparation for landing (or taking off for take off flaps). Flaps are deployed after the plane has slowed down a bit (1/2 flaps) and then get full flaps after it has slowed down some more. Then comes the deployment delay. Real planes don't just slam their flaps down. They come down slowly. If you don't use a delay or if you deploy flaps before slowing down, then there's more chance that the plane will either "balloon" or take slight dive. I have only a few planes that I need elevator compensation for and those are mostly because the control surfaces aren't completely scale and require more "slow down" before the flaps come down.
Not knowing how you fly or how you have your plane set up, if you use someone else's settings, this could upset your plane even more.

[BadClams]

Understood... I'm just looking for "general" rules as certain airframes will need different adjustments. So in GENERAL, I'm wondering if folks are seeing the 262 needing to add ANY elevator mix (and if so, is it down or even UP trim) after dropping full flaps and stabilized at final approach speed.

[BadClams]

I realize I'll need to eventually sort things out on my own, but I think its worthwhile to see what folks have had success with and try to get things "close" before I head to the field.